Grammer 2-The APP

[Yeong]

can text have non-multiple-of-8 x coordinates now?

[Xeda112358]

Well, it was 4x, but yeah, if you use Output(2, it will use the fixed size font (4x6) but it lets you draw to pixel coordinates and Output(1 uses the variable size font and has always used pixel coordinates. Output(0 is the default font.

[Yeong]

When you upload the readme, I'll probably have to look it over again (Since there were a lot of undocumented commands in read-me -_-;)
and it'll help me writing a tutorial as well.

[Xeda112358]

Yeah, I am trying to rewrite the tutorial/command readme, but it is a slow process .__. I have a few pages done

[DJ Omnimaga]

The main reason for those was that I wanted to easily be able to do pretty-print styled writing It also allows for much finer control for text effects, especially for inputs and menus.

Ok thanks for the info. And yeah I could see this used for example in RPGs where you type names or if someone wants to do something like Ultima, where you type commands to talk to NPCs and other stuff.

[Yeong]

@Xeda: will it be possible to send me the one with just the syntax?

[Xeda112358]

Do you mean the app with just the text syntax? I am confused -_-'
Also, sorry, I was without my computer for a few days more than I expected

[Yeong]

what I wanted was the readme with all the syntax-es for Grammer, but not necessary the tutorial part.

[persalteas]

Hello.

I didn't told you, but I have translated your "Commands and tutorial v2.25.03.12" in French, I re-organized it , and I added a lot of comments from myself. (not totally finished).

So, this forced me to start programing with Grammer

I put the App on my calc (v 2.28.11.11), and my calc crashes every time I quit the app (pressing [clear] ).
Why ? Is it the good version I have ? (your signature says v2.25...)

[Xeda112358]

hmm, that is a rather old version... I started the version number as:
2.day.month.year

So 2.28.11.11 == Grammer 2, revised 28 Novembre 2011

Still, that is weird that it crashes, do you have other apps installed that might conflict?

Also, awesome job with translating the readme o.o I am glad you put in comment, because it will help. Do you have it uploaded somewhere? I would like to read it, too o.o

EDIT: This is the latest release http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=12730.msg239368#msg239368

[persalteas]

do you have other apps installed that might conflict?

Doors CS 7.1.1 / XtraTkn / PrettyPrint / CtlgHelp

But I when I tried it the first time, I had the OS 1.16 (old) on my calc (don't ask why x) ).
I have now the 1.19, I sent the Grammer App again, but if the App had saved things in the Archive memory the first time, they may be corrupted.

About the french adaptation-translation: It's not finished, I'll send you ... Monday, or before.

Did you write other technical infos about programing with Grammer in another document ? 
For example, I saw that we should start our programs by ":.0: ", that's not said in the "commands and tutorial".

A lot of stuff and important information is missing in this doc. My simple adaptation won't be a real tutorial. (Or maybe in the future, if you show me where I can find more info.)

[Xeda112358]

Hmm, that is true, I never did put those in the readme, that isn't good

Um, important info
Start with .0: I typically do .0:Return in case Grammer isn't installed or something crazy like this:

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1 2	.0:Disp "ERR:Grammer prgmGammer2 needed.":Return

Also, you need to exit the program some way. Grammer cannot tell if it has reached the end of the program, so you need a "Stop" to tell it.

Also, I am not sure how well it will work on old OSes but I am pretty sure they should work I will try it myself, too.

[persalteas]

OK.

I have several questions to ask (I'm not sure I have all understood), maybe it's not the good topic.

I have bad understood about what interrupts are (En Français, "interrupteurs" ??), it allows the prog to execute 2 code parts at the same time ?

And I don't understand too what you mean by "*By adding 8 to the Method, the data will be read as hexadecimal". Is there another mean to code sprites than hexadecimal ?

I have more questions, but these two are principals

[Xeda112358]

Okay, I can try to answer these

I have bad understood about what interrupts are (En Français, "interrupteurs" ??), it allows the prog to execute 2 code parts at the same time ?

Interrupts do not work well in Grammer, but for some short pieces of code they will work. They let you run a subroutine automatically several times per second. This feature is not finished and will change in the future. (In fact, I am going to try to change it today to make programs run a tiny bit faster and have extremely good control of the interrupts).

And I don't understand too what you mean by "*By adding 8 to the Method, the data will be read as hexadecimal". Is there another mean to code sprites than hexadecimal ?

There are two ways to store sprite data. One is by making pure data, and the other is by using hexadecimal. Using hexadecimal is easier, but the data is twice as big. Thank of it like taking a hexcode and using AsmComp(. Also, using hexadecimal code requires Grammer to convert the data before drawing it.

I have made a few sprite editors to help making sprite data easier.

[persalteas]

Ok, thanks.  =)

So...I reseted all my RAM and ROM, Grammer alone on the calc continues to crash when you leave the App by pressing [clear].

I report an other bug:
When your calc freeze or when your manually clear your RAM, do a little calculation before using Grammer, just hit [1][enter] for example.
If you don't do this, you shouldn't press [enter] after leaving the Grammer App, or your calc will crash again. (Usually, the calc says "Done" when you press [enter] after a "RAM Cleared".)


Is Grammer able to run archived progs ? Is it better to launch the progs from the App, or from the [prgm] menu ?