First Nspire OS 3.2 demo on a calculator

[Lionel Debroux]

Well at least the good side of "official" stuff is that it will work on any Nspire 3.2.

Well, sorry Adriweb but it's not my fault if nDoom and mViewer are going to stop working in the next two weeks.
And such programs cannot be developped in Lua.

You can't present such a limitation as a good side, sorry.

( I mean, whenever Ndless 3.2 comes out, programs for it will only work on jailbroken devices which only represent a tiny fraction of the whole worldwide % ) But that's always been like that, for any device...

I take such sentence as quite disrecpectfull for people who have worked or are still working on Ndless.

Are you trying to discourage people from going on?
For what purpose? TI?

Adriweb's behaviour with his peer community members, on the topic of Nspire native code, is indeed disrespectful, all the more it's not the first time he's behaving this way.
He doesn't seem to care about your and my repeated notifications that such behaviour is only going to tarnish his reputation in the open development community... Therefore, I think that, sooner rather than later, you, me and us all will have to assume that he his stated wish of becoming employed at TI, at some point in the future, carries more weight to him that the rights of his peer community members... and we'll have to act accordingly wrt. him.

[Jim Bauwens]

I think Adrien was just trying to defend TI because Lionel was being so negative about (and rightfully so, because it will block Ndless again) OS 3.2 while he/we were trying to show some good. But I don't think Adrien wanted to be disrespectful, he was just defending to defend .. something I also did a few times (and I was wrong).

I think Adrien respects the Ndless coders enough, and I'm sure he did not mean it this way. However, it's important that stuff like this don't happen any more, as it will just help destroy the community more.

[adriweb]

Come on, not this again. I'll try to make a short post, because yeah, long posts aren't necesarily good anyway.

I feel you're all trying to jump on me whenever i say something to promote both sides (my goal ealier on this topic was to present the good and bad about OS 3.2).
Indeed, Lionel only told the bad side of 3.2, and me, to balance it, promoted the good side.
How is that bad behavior / disrespect    Jim summed it up pretty well.

Seriously... >.>

And you (also Lionel) know more than a lot of people that I love Ndless (why do you think I have it since version 1.1 and on all my Nspires ?).

But I love Lua too, so that's why I am here to also show people TI doesnt make *only* bad things.


Now, for specific messages :

Well at least the good side of "official" stuff is that it will work on any Nspire 3.2.

Well, sorry Adriweb but it's not my fault if nDoom and mViewer are going to stop working in the next two weeks.
And such programs cannot be developped in Lua.

You can't present such a limitation as a good side, sorry.

You misunderstood what I wanted to say.
What I really meant is :
 -  Simple Programs/Documents created with OS 3.2 will (probably) work with other OS 3.X Nspire. By that I mean, Math documents, Graphs etc. (simple stuff)
 -  Ndless programs made with Ndless 3.2 API may not work directly for, say, Ndless 3.1 devices. That's the core of my point, since I believe there are memory-adress changes between these OS (?) and I thought there was going to be some work to adapt the programs so they are still compatible.
This thought is based on my experience with iOS Jailbreaking. The compatibility with official stuff is somewhat kept, but for jailbreak stuff, if you want some program that uses the latest version's API, you'll be forced to upgrade.

That's all I wanted to say !!

Nothing at all like something about mViewer or nDoom (or anything else) !

( I mean, whenever Ndless 3.2 comes out, programs for it will only work on jailbroken devices which only represent a tiny fraction of the whole worldwide %) But that's always been like that, for any device....

I take such sentence as quite disrecpectful for people who have worked hard or are still working hard on Ndless.

I see no link at all between a fact I said (it believe it is a "fact", not something I made up to provoke people) and your reply, critor.
What I meant for my whole post (it really needs clarification, apparently) is that because it represents a small fraction, all the work will have to be re-done, which is a pity exactly because this fraction is small and doesn't have so many good programmers like the iPhone scene for example.
Also, to make sure :  I wrote   "...%)"   this should read :  "... percentage)" , not the smiley. Maybe that was another point of misunderstanding.

Anyway, you know me enough to believe I don't have any reason to be disrespectful towards anybody here, especially to you for making nDoom and mViewer which you know I have, and I use.

Are you trying to discourage people from going on?
For what purpose? TI?

That's totally not linked to whatever I posted or said, so I don't even know what to reply.
But to clarify one's mind if required : No. (I can't believe I actually have to say that. As if it weren't obvious enough.)

However, it's important that stuff like this don't happen any more, as it will just help destroy the community more.

Indeed, but Lionel apparently likes to go this way, strangely, by "enfoncer le couteau dans la plaie" (sorry english). As he apparently saw something disrespectful while it was completely not what I meant (duh) and I still can't see how my post can be seen that way.
Maybe just Critor didn't understand my message and thought it was, and Lionel "teamed up" on his side by having misunderstood too.

I dont know, maybe I also didn't write my thoughts correctly in English in the first place...

[Lionel Debroux]

Are you trying to discourage people from going on?
For what purpose? TI?

But to clarify one's mind if required : No. (I can't believe I actually have to say that. As if it weren't obvious enough.)

The reactions of critor and myself (among others) to your posts, on several occasions, should make it obvious to you that:
* the way you're writing your posts does not make it obvious that you're not trying to discourage people;
* you need to change the way you write your posts, in order to reduce the risk of being misunderstood. As they are, some of your posts make you sound like you drank TI's koolaid...

[AzNg0d1030]

How about we just stop arguing and pretend this argument never occurred?

This isn't what I want Omnimaga to have on its forums

[Lionel Debroux]

If we people involved in the argument wanted to go on with it, we'd already have done so in the 5h since my previous post... and most of all, we wouldn't do it on Omnimaga.

[Yeong]

so will this os be installed forcefully? (force update)

[ParkerR]

so will this os be installed forcefully? (force update)

I haven't heard of them doing forceful installs in the past, so I wouldn't think so. It'll most likely just do a popup saying there is an update.

[Jim Bauwens]

We don't know that.

[DJ Omnimaga]

It would definitively suck. As advice, when it comes out, cut your internet or something when using TI-Nspire Student Software.

Isn't it illegal for companies to force upgrade something without your permission, though? For example, every software I got has an option to disable auto-updates, yet with TI computer link software I heard past reports about that option enabling itself after updating the software...

[Jim Bauwens]

It might be, and it won't be TI's best day if they do it.

(Anyway, I have a warning system set up so everyone will be warned in time if they enable the ForceUpgrade thing)

[DJ Omnimaga]

Ok thanks. If such thing happen, could you upload it in Omni archives, assuming it's a tool to disable that/prevent that from happening? It might be very useful. Also maybe a news might have to be done (although I am not sure since last week if I plan to continue writing calculator news)

[Jim Bauwens]

No, all I have is a warning tool. But it should be fairly trivial to block it (just need to edit host file).
Anyway, I do not think they will do it.

[calc84maniac]

Or even if it does try to auto-install, you could just unplug your calculator (considering that it takes so long to send and install)

[DJ Omnimaga]

No, all I have is a warning tool. But it should be fairly trivial to block it (just need to edit host file).
Anyway, I do not think they will do it.

Ok good. But even a batch file (for less computer savy people) would be a nice release if they ever did it.

Or even if it does try to auto-install, you could just unplug your calculator (considering that it takes so long to send and install)

Doesn't that delete the on-calc OS, though? That might be problematic if the person cannot find an old copy of OS 3.1 anywhere afterward.