TI: A step back towards the TI community?

[Nick]

my physics professor came to me once, and asked kinda excited if it was true what he heard.. he heard from some students that i was able to code for the nspire, and when i said it was true he was like "wow, really? ö" and started to ask me a lot of questions about it so that's already 2 people programming the nspire in our whole school i think. I don't know all people of my school, but i guess there aren't a lot more than this 2

it's very sad to see how some people still think programming is
1. for people sitting after their computer screen without going out, ever.
2. a waste of time
3. doesn't learn you anything
none of these are true, but the problem is, how do you have to make people believe them..

[aeTIos]

Well that's true indeed.

[chickendude]

The main thing keeping me from getting any of their newer calculators is the "lack" of native assembly support. To be honest, having a color screen to play with sounds like a lot of fun, but being locked out of assembly (and, by extension, C), just sucks.  I think that was always one of the biggest attractions of their calculators: browsing the massive amounts of programs available and then learning to program them and do things you thought you never'd be able to do. That and knowing that a large number of people would have immediate access to and actually use/enjoy your programs. I guess for ARM programming there are a lot of other communities/platforms out there, i guess you'd just reach a different audience.

The 82-83+ (even the 89) will always be special to me, but not because of the math problems i solved on them Programming them was the reason i bought my first (and second, and third, and fourth, etc.) calculator

Actually the Casio PRIZM, which has a color screen, a bit more RAM and archive, has ASM support. It isn't intentional by Casio, but they have said if we play nice they'll let us use it.

Really? I've never looked much at the Casio calculators but that actually sounds really cool, i may end up picking one up Now you've got me reading up on SH3 assembly

[Keoni29]

So that means that casio doesn't support the community, but it also doesn't lock down everything? Yes I'm gonna buy a casio calc, sir.

[blue_bear_94]

dang, are they like some sort of group or something?

No.

[Dingus]

I think your post is a good example of why TI is pretending to warm up to the community.  People are learning that there is an excellent alternative to dealing with ti's "we don't need you additude." It's Casio calc's.  My impression of TI's tactics are that they believe the only customers that they need to please are the teachers and the teachers will then require the students to use their nspires.

So that means that casio doesn't support the community, but it also doesn't lock down everything? Yes I'm gonna buy a casio calc, sir.

[adriweb]

I think your post is a good example of why TI is pretending to warm up to the community.  People are learning that there is an excellent alternative to dealing with ti's "we don't need you additude." It's Casio calc's.  My impression of TI's tactics are that they believe the only customers that they need to please are the teachers and the teachers will then require the students to use their nspires.

So that means that casio doesn't support the community, but it also doesn't lock down everything? Yes I'm gonna buy a casio calc, sir.

But, if that were to be wrong anytime soon, I guess TI would revise its stategy plan... They obviously are aware of what competitors do, so they must adapt when they feel the need for it anyway...

[Dingus]

Ah, if only that were true.  Then the TI cas would have competitive math capabilities.  For example, i have a ten year old Hp calc that I use for Laplace capability because TI won't put that capability on their calc's.  Also, there are a lot of customers that would like to use nspire technology on their iPad but TI ignores these customers and doesn't support that platform. 

I have been watching ti's antics for about fifteen years now and based on that experience there are a few things that I am certain of.  One is that today's TI caters to high school math teachers and only pays lip service to the rest of the market and that is not likely to change.  Two, TI doesn't seem to be able to put out good os software updates and I believe that is a symptom of a lack of technically competent management.  Three, TI makes some really big mistakes, for example the original nspire keyboard which was horrible, and at some point their mistakes are going to be their undoing because they think they know it all and they don't.
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But, if that were to be wrong anytime soon, I guess TI would revise its stategy plan... They obviously are aware of what competitors do, so they must adapt when they feel the need for it anyway...
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[DJ Omnimaga]

Casio said that if we do something wrong again, they might lock the PRIZM like TI did with the Nspire. At least, though, Casio is giving us one last chance.

[Nick]

Casio said that if we do something wrong again, they might lock the PRIZM like TI did with the Nspire. At least, though, Casio is giving us one last chance.

what has been done wrong before with casio calcs?

[JosJuice]

Casio said that if we do something wrong again, they might lock the PRIZM like TI did with the Nspire. At least, though, Casio is giving us one last chance.

When did they say that? I've heard from Kerm that they're trying to ignore third-party development, but I don't think they've actually stated that they will lock it down if we do something that they'll dislike.

[adriweb]

Ah, if only that were true.  Then the TI cas would have competitive math capabilities.  For example, i have a ten year old Hp calc that I use for Laplace capability because TI won't put that capability on their calc's.  Also, there are a lot of customers that would like to use nspire technology on their iPad but TI ignores these customers and doesn't support that platform. 

Oh, I totally agree with you on the point that CAS can be improved. Everybody would welcome changes and more features, of course.
For now, we'll have to stay with user-made programs (for Laplace Transforms..., for example).
I guess they actually rely on third-party programs so far to do this kind of specific math things. I don't really know...

However, about the iPad thing, how could you possibly know what they are doing right now ? I'm not aware (I haven't looked) that Casio did any Prizm app for the iPad neither ? And from what I've seen on the App Store right now, there isn't much CAS software that support as much as the Nspire Computer software can. So whenever TI releases some iOS app (I'm personnaly pretty sure they will since it's the obvious evolution on the education side (see news about US schools getting iPads))

[Hayleia]

Casio said that if we do something wrong again, they might lock the PRIZM like TI did with the Nspire. At least, though, Casio is giving us one last chance.

what has been done wrong before with casio calcs?

Well there are two Prizms in fact: the fx-cg20 and the fx-cg10. Both support ASM but the fx-cg10 has some limitations concerning images (to not put cheats on the calc I guess). And for some reason, someone released an Image Viewer for the Prizm, which is as stupid as releasing OSLauncher or PTTKiller for Nspire since this is exaclty what the company doesn't want. I guess this is what they talk about.

[Dingus]

On the iPad thing, the iPad has been out for years and is in it's third version and there are hundreds of thousands of apps for it.  A TI nspire app is not one of them.  If TI was committed to supporting that platform they could have and would have put out an iPad app by now.  So based on fact, TI does not support the iPad platform.

  As for what ti might might be working on, well, they might be working on pigs that fly through the night and drink pink cool aid for all I know, but who cares?  What counts is what TI has released, not what they might do, UNLESS they make a commitment which they never do.

 Yes, tablets are the future of education  but TI apparently is going to milk their hand held products as long as they can and not having an iPad app helps them do that.  I will stick with my iPad and old calc's and if TI never puts out an iPad app, then they will never see any more money from me.  

However, about the iPad thing, how could you possibly know what they are doing right now ? I'm not aware (I haven't looked) that Casio did any Prizm app for the iPad neither ? And from what I've seen on the App Store right now, there isn't much CAS software that support as much as the Nspire Computer software can. So whenever TI releases some iOS app (I'm personnaly pretty sure they will since it's the obvious evolution on the education side (see news about US schools getting iPads))

[DJ Omnimaga]

Aren't emulators against iPad appstore rules? If TI decided to release TI-Nspire Student Software for the ipad, they would have to do it via Cydia, meaning only jailbroken devices could run it.