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« on: 21 June, 2012, 16:17:33 »
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The TI-89 has a 160x100 LCD.
The TI-92 and TI-Voyage 200 have a 240x128 LCD.

But you can run TI-92 Plus assembly games on the TI-89 and their display won't be corrupt.
The only problem is that the display is cropped:


It means the all those calculators are sharing a 240x128 display buffer, which is partially displayed on the TI-89.



All those calculators accept a 240x128 TI-ViewScreen panel, usually used by teachers to show the display to the whole class.

In the case of a TI-89, only the top-left part of the panel is used with the OS:



In that case, what would happen if an assembly program wrote data in the screen buffer outside the 160x100 zone?
Success! Although the game display is cropped on the TI-89, the whole screen buffer is displayed on the external panel. Grin



But of course, this was a VSC version of the TI-89 with the additionnal proprietary  ViewScreen connector.
The panel can be plugged on every TI-89 Titanium using an adaptator for the mini-USB connector: the TI-89 Titanium Presentation Link.

So using this adapter, can this extended display been achieved on all TI-89 Titanium calculators?
Success, again! Grin



So it's quite interesting! Cheesy
If someone has the time, it means we could develop an external 240x128 display for the TI-89 which would be plugged through the mini-USB port, the 1st step into performing some kind of an "upgrade" of the TI-89 into a TI-92 Plus / TI-Voyage 200. Grin



Credits for the idea of the experience go to Lionel Debroux.



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http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9511&p=125807
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« Reply #1 on: 21 June, 2012, 16:34:42 »
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Wow!  This is fascinating news!  Great work critor! Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 21 June, 2012, 16:38:15 »
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That is pretty nice Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: 21 June, 2012, 16:45:24 »
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Why hasn't anyone noticed this before?
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« Reply #4 on: 21 June, 2012, 18:10:11 »
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Well these viewscreen are rare for students Tongue
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Would this also be possible for the 84+?
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« Reply #6 on: 21 June, 2012, 18:23:22 »
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That's pretty cool. If you were writing just TI-89(t) programs, you could probably use the extra space for debugging info or something, or hidden messages. Tongue That sort of reminds me of once when I was fooling around in Command Post Plus and poking in random bytes like my name in the off-screen area of the 89 LCD buffer. If you don't reset the calc or run ASM programs that use the full buffer, it can invisibly remain there for quite some time. Smiley

It would be cool if someone found a way to make an inexpensive external display. Or even a large, bright LED display, hehe.
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« Reply #7 on: 21 June, 2012, 18:27:04 »
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Would this also be possible for the 84+?
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« Reply #8 on: 21 June, 2012, 20:17:51 »
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Would this also be possible for the 84+?
No, because the 84+'s buffer is only 94x64.
Actually, it's 120x64. I'm sure that a program that reads LCD commands from the USB would be able to display that whole area.
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Would this also be possible for the 84+?
No, because the 84+'s buffer is only 94x64.
Actually, it's 120x64. I'm sure that a program that reads LCD commands from the USB would be able to display that whole area.
Where are you getting all these extra pixels? shocked
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« Reply #11 on: 22 June, 2012, 06:36:33 »
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It looks older LCD drivers on older calcs like TI-82/TI-83(+) ran with T6A04/T6A04A @ 120x64 and the newer calcs like the TI-83+SE/TI-84+(SE) ran with the T6K04 which is 128x64.

Would be interesting to see if this applied.
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« Reply #12 on: 22 June, 2012, 08:16:46 »
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Well, indeed Cheesy I would be positively surprised if this happens.
How long would it take for the USB port to send 1024 bytes of data?
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Except the ones who are dead.

But there's no sense crying over every mistake
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And the science gets done and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive.

I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart and killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you.

Now these points of data make a beautiful line
And we're out of beta we're releasing on time.
So I'm GLaD I got burned think of all the things we learned
For the people who are still alive.

Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you'll find someone else to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa -
THAT WAS A JOKE. HA HA, FAT CHANCE.
Anyway, this cake is great:
It's so delicious and moist.

Look at me still talking when there's science to do.
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On the people who are still alive

And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.

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« Reply #13 on: 23 June, 2012, 05:32:09 »
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this is all extremely interesting. I'm not surprised at all that they did it on the 89, but I would have thought that 96x64 controllers would exist. Makes me wonder why they didn't just use the full resolution. The 86 did extremely well with it, after all.

So, theoretically, couldn't you just hook up a new internal LCD? (I say 'just' but it's really not that easy Tongue) or are there not enough pins on the connectors?
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« Reply #14 on: 24 June, 2012, 19:53:25 »
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Would this also be possible for the 84+?
No, because the 84+'s buffer is only 94x64.
Actually, it's 120x64. I'm sure that a program that reads LCD commands from the USB would be able to display that whole area.
Actually, it depends on the calculator. Mine, as I've determined from several tests, is 96x64. The most important result is that, when the LCD is in Y-autoincrement mode, after the 12th/16th column (8-/6-bit mode, respectively) it wraps back to the first column, not an invisible one offscreen. Mine's also the one with the extra commands to flip the display, which gives me the impression it's a different driver.
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