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« Reply #15 on: 29 July, 2012, 02:18:34 »
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He's afraid of the legal issues... except if this guy were to sue, he would be kicked out of the court, and fined heavily for wasting the judicial system's time. Looking for a lawyer? No sane lawyer would take his case.

Helder7, don't give in to this guy! He has no standing in the legal system, and if there's any legal threats, we can support you. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: 29 July, 2012, 02:34:30 »
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Quote from: DJ_O on 29 July, 2012, 01:38:42
Yeah true. Technically, Helder should be able to keep Casio-Scene online fine if he wanted to, just without any contribution by the original admin or owner.
No he claim rights over imported posts (made by other persons), imported users, imported pms and files. He also say that casio kingdom is a trademark.

He have 0 posts, 0 accounts, 0pms and 0 files in CS.
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« Reply #17 on: 29 July, 2012, 02:41:46 »
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He might be right for the CasioKingdom name, along with the site CSS, images (except any screenshot not created by the admins), source code, but he has no legal rights over the rest.

When you sign up on a forum, there's a notice stating that the admins do not own your posts and they're not responsible for them. On Omni it says all files are properties of their respective owners and I'm pretty sure it's the case with any site. Otherwise, if he claims the rights of the files in the archives, then he would have been required to e-mail each author one by one, requesting permission to acquire the rights. I'm not sure those authors would have liked that.

Basically, he can't do anything because you didn't re-use any of the site code, images, CSS, PHP, tag name, slogan. He can call you names, threaten to sue you (or even try), but it will not work I'm sure.

Regardless of what happens, good luck.
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« Reply #18 on: 29 July, 2012, 03:43:47 »
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Quote from: helder7 on 29 July, 2012, 02:34:30
He also say that casio kingdom is a trademark.

Which means that of course he registered it, didn't he ? Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: 29 July, 2012, 05:56:21 »
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Well, he purchased the domain name and the website, which means he owns the Casio Kingdom name, the casiokingdom.org domain name and, as long as he pays the hosting bill or server connection, his Casiokingdom hosting account.
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« Reply #20 on: 29 July, 2012, 07:19:18 »
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OMG. The behaviour of that person is way beyond jerky and retarded... and we need to act.

helder7, you have our support, and the support of basically everyone in this community. An incompetent like the attacker you're facing shouldn't be able to deter hard-working people from helping the community !

Cross-posted to TI-Planet: http://ti-pla.net/t10172


BTW: is there someone (besides matt @ matpac.co.uk ) holding a grudge against Casio-Scene ?
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« Reply #21 on: 29 July, 2012, 09:50:33 »
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I doubt it. There are some people from UCF that didn't like CK much and some people from CK that didn't like UCF much, but I seriously doubt those people would do anything against any of the site. It was mostly a small group of people that were not happy with how one site or the other was moderated and there were some talks in each other's back, and most of those people are gone since years ago anyway. Matt did not even own the site back then too.

After some Google searches, it looks like the guy buys domain names and possibly websites, to finally sell some domain names he owns. https://twitter.com/matpac And here's his website, listing dozens and dozens of websites http://www.matpac.co.uk/

So basically, he's only in to make money off Casiokingdom and the many other sites he own.

When I gave away Omnimaga one year ago, I imposed one condition on the new ownership, which was to not let the site die. Never I would have given the site away to a random nobody somewhere, not knowing what he plans to do with the site, and especially not selling it, in case it falls under the hands of a businessman who don't give a shit about the site content and only wants to make money from potential ad revenues. I guess maybe Sean Tan didn't realize or probably didn't really mind what happen to the site in long terms, having moved on in life.
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« Reply #22 on: 29 July, 2012, 12:59:55 »
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« Reply #23 on: 29 July, 2012, 13:42:15 »
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This really is a shame. I hope that members of the Casio community are not detered by this and continue contributing to the Casio programming scene. There are other outlets for projects to be seen and a new discussion forum could easily replace the old one.
*Edit* If they guy makes money buying and selling domains/websites, I see why he would be upset. A domain's value is based on many things, including how well search engines rank them. If a copy was detracting from traffic of the original, that it would be an issue.
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« Reply #24 on: 29 July, 2012, 14:36:27 »
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I hope that members of the Casio community are not deterred by this and continue contributing to the Casio programming scene
They are already deterred, sadly.

Redirecting to a new site without informing the owner of CK wasn't a smart thing to do. But it was a good thing for the community of users and programmers.

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At the moment, the insults on the site are not going to improve his ranking, and the rest of the obnoxious behaviour has already destroyed the reputation of the CK owner in the minds of dozens of persons (after the reputation of CK itself was destroyed by the site not working right for more than one year). Nothing good, for the CK owner, can come from his behaviour.
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« Reply #25 on: 29 July, 2012, 14:56:12 »
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Quote from: critor on 29 July, 2012, 03:43:47

Which means that of course he registered it, didn't he ? Tongue
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"Regarding Casio Kingdom, this is a trademark. It has unregistered trademark protection and your email here further signifies your unwillingness to respect European/international intellectual property."
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« Reply #26 on: 29 July, 2012, 15:37:58 »
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Quote from: helder7 on 29 July, 2012, 14:56:12
Quote from: critor on 29 July, 2012, 03:43:47

Which means that of course he registered it, didn't he ? Tongue
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"Regarding Casio Kingdom, this is a trademark. It has unregistered trademark protection and your email here further signifies your unwillingness to respect European/international intellectual property."

And of course, you can use the 'Casio' word in your own trademark. Tongue
Pathetic again...
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« Reply #27 on: 29 July, 2012, 16:58:05 »
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Quote from: critor on 29 July, 2012, 15:37:58
Quote from: helder7 on 29 July, 2012, 14:56:12
Quote from: critor on 29 July, 2012, 03:43:47

Which means that of course he registered it, didn't he ? Tongue
Quote by him:

"Regarding Casio Kingdom, this is a trademark. It has unregistered trademark protection and your email here further signifies your unwillingness to respect European/international intellectual property."

And of course, you can use the 'Casio' word in your own trademark. Tongue
Pathetic again...
Well, TI-News got a cease and desist letter for using TI in their URL once. Tongue (although a TI community petition got them to change their mind).

I guess the guy he is right in the way that it would be totally wrong if, for example, you started a calculator website called Omnimaga using the www.omnimaga.com URL, even though there's already an existing one. I'm not too sure Netham45, Eeems, Shmibs or other staff would appreciate that, especially considering this happened before with a member and everyone complained. But I don't know why the guy is complaining about helder using casiokingdom "trademark" when he changed the site name completely...
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« Reply #28 on: 30 July, 2012, 05:59:30 »
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helder7, we're kinda confused as to what happened with the transfer and stuff... so could you please explain exactly how you made the new website?

Depending on what you say, you may be totally clean and clear. Smiley (Which I'm pretty sure you are, but I just want to double check.)

(If you are not comfortable talking in public, we can take it to PM, like before.)
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« Reply #29 on: 30 July, 2012, 06:18:33 »
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Quote from: helder7 on 29 July, 2012, 14:56:12
Quote from: critor on 29 July, 2012, 03:43:47

Which means that of course he registered it, didn't he ? Tongue
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"Regarding Casio Kingdom, this is a trademark. It has unregistered trademark protection and your email here further signifies your unwillingness to respect European/international intellectual property."

Sounds like he wants to get back in and wants to weasel his way out of having any competition to me. Also, lol at 'trademarking' a name that has another companies trademark as a key component.

Coming soon: Microsoft Programming! -- It's cool, I have a trademark on the name.
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