Casio-Scene shuts down

[DJ Omnimaga]

Well in many cases, bots use proxies and will follow every site link once or twice at most, if I remember. That's unless a bot clicks the ads on every forum page, though.

[adriweb]

By the way, does Google Adsense detect if click through ads are bots or not? Because if CK gets a lot of money from ad revenues with so few members visiting it, then that means that a lot of the revenues are generated by undetected spambots and web crawlers.

- Google AdSense does detect false clicks (probably by some IP background check and some other ways if possible)
- I don't believe bots will click anywhere else than what they're done for. An ad-clicking bot specially crafted to be smart enough not to be detected as non-human would be greatly done, IMHO, to be able to defeat Google's "security".
Google actually bans the AdSense account in case of 2-3 issues (which can happen fast, and even by mistake), so...

Omnimaga used to average at 900000 page hits per month, not counting external pages and sub-domains such as the ASM Unsquisher, old copies of the site and image folders. After the site was modded to almost completely eliminate spambots, the traffic dropped to 600000.

That's a lot, still


Concerning this topic, I agree with Netham's post.
Good thing we also have matt's version of the story. Always good to have several point of views.

[Lionel Debroux]

Thanks for coming here, Matt. It's not so easy to start attending places hostile to your actions, in order to explain yourself.

Others have already explained that Casio-Scene was created only because you severely neglected CK, for the purposes of salvaging, and then improving upon, the content. Your lack of action for so long has destroyed the reputation and usefulness of CK. Switching to a more proper CMS with fewer security holes (and reducing the risk for users of your neglect) was definitely a good thing to do, that's exactly what was done on TI-Planet as well.
And however you felt about CS / helder7, that white-on-black message with large characters, caps and insults was inacceptable. Especially since there was no intrusion involved, as far as we understood from what helder posted.

I'm not saying that redirecting CK to CS without notifying you (or so it seems) was a good thing to do in the moral sense, but it was a good thing for the community. Whether you like it or not, CS is the de-facto successor of CK, and your recent misbehaviour against CS has destroyed your reputation and harmed the community...

For the sake of the community, the new CS content needs to be available again, whatever the chosen solution (i.e. with you, by e.g. moving CS back to CK if that's deemed to be an acceptable tradeoff, or without you - people have done without you for a long time)

[matt]

I've started to type up a response to a lot of the posts but there is a certain level of immaturity that is disgusting with several members here that's showing me I'm wasting my time. After this post I will no longer give time to those members.

It seems that some of you have such low self esteem, that you feel the need to argue with others to make improve how you feel. It's sad and I feel sorry for you - I hope that you can over come it. It really is shocking to see this level of immaturity among people who seem to be using their brains for some pretty cool stuff.

I will post my replies and continue a productive conversation over at CK when the site is up (and I'll post a note here when that's happened).


 

[Art_of_camelot]

It is my hope that regardless of what happened between the original Casio-Kingdom being shut down and Casio-scene being created that some how, some way that the content is able to be restored. In communities like the TI and Casio hobbyist scenes the people are very close and we all have this common interest binding us together. It's nice to have a central place to discuss things and show off our works and to be able to have past works archived.

[critor]

I've started to type up a response to a lot of the posts but there is a certain level of immaturity that is disgusting with several members here that's showing me I'm wasting my time. After this post I will no longer give time to those members.

I think you got lots of respectful and comprehensive replies here after your post.
I can see allmost nothing wrong, shocking, agressive, disrespectful or immature in the latest posts.

Those people gave time to you and to the whole Casio community, so that things will end up for the best.

Once again, you disrespect people from the community.



The one being immature is the one being able to post a message with the level of a frustrated teenager:


Remove this message to begin with before telling people how they should behave in life.

Slander is illegal - even if the content is right, you try to destroy someone's reputation: that's slander.


Forums administration requires lots of moral qualities.
Your home page message is agressive and insulting.


In your last post you've just shown us your true face again, not being able to deal with people who don't completely and blindly agree with you.
And you pretend to be an educator ? . . .



You can put the site up again, but I don't think that many people will care and are going to go on your CK forums after such misbehaviour, except to backup the content.
The english Casio community definately needs another website.

[matt]

I think that some of you have learning difficulties which is fine so let me make a few short posts.

1. No name is on the CK homepage right now - so how is that slander (full details will be published soon)
2. you say that slander is illegal even if it is right. But how does that make any sense? It isn't slander if it is true
3. I'm allowed to be angry if someone commits a crime and damages my site and breaks laws with data. A person who would do such a thing is an a-hole, a complete jerk. Plus someone who would leave traces all over the internet explaining his plan to commit a crime is a dumb a-hole. Let's go further... someone who then goes on to send the email newsletter to the admin, giving incriminating evidence of the site they have just cloned is really not the sharpest tool in the shed.
4. When CK is back up the people who defend a crime that is indefensible and the people who have severe self-esteem issues, to the point where they troll and whine and try to bring others down, simply aren't welcome.

Members who don't want to return to CK, don't. Why waste your time even talking about it. Those of you who would like to, you'll be welcome.

Those of you who have acted like jerks here have only accomplished one thing and that is to make me want to pursue the criminal actions even further until there is some resolution. If your strategy was to defend Helder, you have only created a more fierce opponent in me.

Au revoir mon petit pois.

[critor]

4. When CK is back up the people who defend a crime that is indefensible and the people who have severe self-esteem issues, to the point where they troll and whine and try to bring others down, simply aren't welcome.

If you had really read previous posts, you would have seen that most of us in this topic including myself, think that your website must have been hacked (if even PM and passwords were recovered and a domain redirection was injected), and that this isn't right.

But on the other side, your behaviour is not right either.


A lawyer has to defend his client too. Does it mean that he approves and encourages what he has done?
Think about that.


Being legally the victim doesn't give you the right to misbehave.

[Lionel Debroux]

2. you say that slander is illegal even if it is right. But how does that make any sense? It isn't slander if it is true

Seriously, get a clue. The definition of slander has nothing to do with stating facts or lies...

[helder7]

If someone had emailed me and wanted to take over the site, partner up, share ideas then that would have been great. But that didn't happen.

First of all i tried contact you in January 1, 2012 at 6:57:11 PM EST (according to your screenshot to my email), currently i dont own the mail account that i used to contact you, i offered also to you 55 pounds (i know its a bit amount) for the site in this email, and i waited your reply during months, maybe for we do a partnership/negociate or something like it what ever happened.
I do not have facebook, but i used a facebook account of a friend to send to you a friend request, i think you refused the request (This is perfectly normal, do not accept strangers).


Some facts:
->CK was dead during years (i think since 2009) when you bought the site and developers stopped dev for casio calculators, due to spam robots, site bugs, etc...
->The idea of the operation CK salvage started in casiocalc forums maybe 1 year ago (or more) by flyingfisch  and other community members with the objective of save files, because more and more, the site was more bugs, and began to lose files.
->In the end of March/early April downloads zone stopped work, i do a fight against time to get files descriptions saved from google cached pages, and i had recovered many files with wayback machine
->During the last 2/3 years the internacional casio fx9860 is dead (only launched 1 or 2 add-ins)

I started dev the casio-scene in Dezember 2011/January 2012, at the time this was a community project.

In the end of March/early April downloads zone stopped work, i do a fight against time to get files descriptions saved from google cached pages, and i had recovered many files with wayback machine. I also had recovered many other hundreds of files from other dead sources.

Theoretically, if i hacked the site as you claim and attack me, i got all content until 2012, im right, no?

now a quote by dj_o

I guess the best thing would have been that Helder7 contacts you first to ask permission, then if no reply occurs within the next month or two, copy the site anyway per TI/Casio community mentality principes, although I guess he only thought about saving CK content at the time.

i send to him a email in January and a facebook friend request, i waited for a reply at least, but was totally ignored.

You know how I got the old backup, however you never accepted, You continue to accuse me of HACKING

i recommend to you read this article in wikipedia, in order to become to know what is a hacker:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28computer_security%29

Additionally, the Internet is not a place where you can accuse people and disrespect, how well you feel like

Currently i dont have "hacking skills", im learning php,  etc... im a begginer with web tecnologys.

About the redirection, i did not do any redirection, i think it was made by other person maybe in community, i dont know, but i advised people for do not use it:
http://community.casiocalc.org/topic/6740-casio-kingdom-becomes-casio-scene/

and his refusal to take the website down until I contacted his host. I will definitely consider posting more about what happened on Casio Kingdom, when I have fixed the website.

firstly the site is hosted in a dedicated server when you contacted me, maybe you only have contacted in max the isp. i put the site under mantainance i think in +/- 24 hours (without you asking), and site was completely removed in less than 48 hours after your contact.

however, I myself understand a bit your rage, and I proposed to you some ways for i and you resolve the problem, in the best way for you, for me and mainly the community, as some members already have proposed.

-I proposed to you a administration togheter, a partnership, you manage the site togheter with me, you put ads (i think the site is ad ready), and we use the old domain.
When you're busy, I can take care of the site. When I'm busy, you take care of the site. It would be interesting to a joint administration.
Perhaps in future we can organize a programming contest, and other "activitys" to keep the homebrew development community active. I think this will appeal to all.

-i also offered to you a full site backup + domain, with a modern cms , etc... (the site is accessible to members, is also good for community)

-if you want i can provide to you the domain casio-scene only, and you use it as you want to refer casio-scene devs to CK.

i want cooperate together with you, if you want, using dialogue, and finding the best solution for both.

now the casio-scene is a reference in calculator dev world, was due to my hard work and the community, and I think we could take advantage of it together.

I do not gain anything with this project, I hope to you an intelligent response, maybe a partnership?

If you do not accept dialogue i do a SHIFT+DELETE in the casio-scene backup that i have, and goodbye.

I apologize if I caused problems for you, I'm here to solve everything through dialogue.

If you want you can email me.

Best regards, Helder7.

[linuxgeek96]

for recovery, would the wayback machine be any help? http://web.archive.org/web/20110725141954/http://www.casiokingdom.org/
EDIT: Also here http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.casiokingdom.org/*

[Art_of_camelot]

I'm going to lock this topic for now as it is going nowhere. The news stands as it is. If the two involved parties wish to discuss it further I'd recommend using email. Thank you.

         -Art