TILP: beta-testing...

[Lionel Debroux]

Just to mention we have talked about that on #omnimaga. Weird.

[DJ Omnimaga]

I am getting a new computer in February, but I have no clue which version of Windows I should choose. I heard Windows 7 takes less ressources than Vista, but some games still won't run on it. I also heard that 32 bit runs fewer games than 64 bit Windows 7. But if I use 64, will I have problems with TiLP and the like?

[Lionel Debroux]

1) you should definitely choose Seven over Vista, Seven is a much better product;
2) in order to make your purchase more future-proof, you should definitely choose the 64-bit version.

However, TILP, and in general all programs that use unsigned drivers, will be somewhat cumbersome to use on Seven 64-bit (supposedly less so on 32-bit). Either you have to manually enable support for unsigned drivers on each boot (!), or you have to use programs such as http://www.blogsdna.com/2775/install-unsigned-drivers-on-windows-7-vista-with-driver-signature-enforcement-overrider.htm .

[DJ Omnimaga]

Cool thanks for the info. ^^

[mapar007]

You should use Linux 

No, seriously: if I were to buy a windows OS, I'd go for the seven as well.

[DJ Omnimaga]

Lol, I had thoughts about switching to Linux but only to some conditions:

1) No dual-booting. I lost track of how many of my online friends who ended up breaking their windows install due to Linux glitching up or vice versa on their machine. Even some Linux junkies had similar trouble. I'm not taking any chance here because I'm not computer litterate.

2) Keeping a computer at home that has Windows installed. I'm not going to completly switch to Linux, because I keep hearing people complaining that they cannot find softwares for what they want to do under Linux, or they're very buggy. As I also play online games sometimes, Wine may not always be reliable *cough*Starcraft BattleNET*cough*. Another issue is that certain Windows programs don't run properly in Wine, such as RPG Maker database editor menus (I forgot which version of RPG Maker. I would need to ask Tribal).

So basically, until I get a new PC (and back up my projects/work on the new one), I'm not planning to use Linux on this old machine. Also I will most likely start with Ubuntu as it is supposedly user-friendly.

[Builderboy]

Our family tried switching to ubuntu once.  It took very little ram/memory, however for some reason Internet browsing was incredibly slow.  Eventualy we went back to XP, and when I got my laptop, I got vista.  I had little to no comparability problems, and when I switched to win7 pretty much all of them went away

[Eeems]

lol, well we have two vista's and three XP's and I can't wait to get my own laptop so I can install windows 7 and some version of unix on it :p

[DJ Omnimaga]

I can't wait until I can install Linux on my TI-Nspire as well as TiLP...erm wait!

[Geekboy1011]

on a side note about the http://www.blogsdna.com/2775/install-unsigned-drivers-on-windows-7-vista-with-driver-signature-enforcement-overrider.htm  the program on this makes a annoying test mode thing in the bottom corner and is also a pita to get working at first it takes a lot of patience as you have to disable saftey checks then reboot
then patch the drivers reboot
then activate test mode reboot
and then it should be working 

[DJ Omnimaga]

aaah ok

[Galandros]

Ubuntu is easy to install and multi boot.
And it deserves applauses of the changes in user friendliness from 8.10 to 9.10. It is easier to get used to most things (like you will not miss the "My Computer" shortcut like before).
 I should write a complete starter Linux tutorial. Some of the things it would include is getting used to the file system, command line, shell scripting (helps a lot) and getting used to superuser (root), users and make files executable. Surprisingly I think Linux command line is easier and scripts look better than of Windows (XP). It has other great features that once you get used, is a bit hard to get into Windows again.
I think I am practical enough to understand most starters problems (most of them I have to get pass through, too) but good in computers to get enough knowledge to share with tutorials and explanation.

I have Ubuntu, Windows 7 and Windows XP in a single computer. It is weird to get into Windows XP, I need to choose in 3 menus.
The only change I need to do after install Ubuntu was getting into BIOS and change the hard drive (not partition) where it boots. I though at first that had screwed the boot.
PS: sorry all the things you, possibly, can't understand yet...

[Tribal]

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2) Keeping a computer at home that has Windows installed. I'm not going to completely switch to Linux, because I keep hearing people complaining that they cannot find softwares for what they want to do under Linux, or they're very buggy. As I also play online games sometimes, Wine may not always be reliable *cough*Starcraft BattleNET*cough*. Another issue is that certain Windows programs don't run properly in Wine, such as RPG Maker database editor menus (I forgot which version of RPG Maker. I would need to ask Tribal).
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Just so you know, the version I tried getting to work was VX. I'm not sure if any of the others work or not, didn't really attempt them.

on a side note about the http://www.blogsdna.com/2775/install-unsigned-drivers-on-windows-7-vista-with-driver-signature-enforcement-overrider.htm  the program on this makes a annoying test mode thing in the bottom corner and is also a pita to get working at first it takes a lot of patience as you have to disable safety checks then reboot
...

That's part of the reason I preferred to just disable the enforcement on boot, I really didn't want that there

Agreeing with Galandros, Ubuntu is really easy to install and multi-boot with, the only problem I have with it is the shear fact that it comes pre-installed with a bunch of stuff I really don't need or want in the first place. I had thoughts of trying minibuntu(or whatever it's called) but it didn't have a 64-bit version, which I wanted for best performance out of my laptop. In any case it is still a good choice for someone with little knowledge about the linux operating system.

[Lionel Debroux]

It's been nearly one month since the previous build. I have now uploaded at http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/download/setup.exe a new pre-version of TILP II 1.14

This build fixes the main annoyances of the previous build (well, those that can be fixed on the TILP side - the driver signing requirement on at least Seven x64 is still there, obviously, and will remain): it does not depend on the MSVC 2008 runtime anymore, it automatically downloads the appropriate GTK+ version. And it can speak French, too.

This build also integrates the new feature that was announced in another public place of the community: DirectLink USB ROM dumping for 84+(SE) calculators, courtesy of Brandon Wilson. Another word of thanks goes to Benjamin Moody, who saved me some time setting up everything for cross-MinGW to properly build TILP.
No more changes are planned until the release (pretty soon), it's in bug-fixing mode (and in quick, unimportant things such as Changelog file updates). So please give it a good testing, thanks in advance

[DJ Omnimaga]

nice to hear, btw I didn't download yet but will instructions on how to get it to work on most new Windows installs be included? For example, my new comp has Windows 7 x64 so I will obviously have trouble with drivers since I never dealt with this before. And less dependencies such as MSVC 2008 is always good. Btw, for GTK+, will we be able to continue using TiEmu, TilEm and GIMP when TiLP is installed? I remember conflicts between GIMP and TiEmu because both used different GTK versions and were very dependent on theirs, in the past. If I wanted to do image editing, for example, I had to redownload and install the required GIMP GTK build, then when usign TiEmu I had to redowload the appropriate one, and had to repeat all the time, which got annoying and I eventually gave up and went back to Virtual TI and Photofiltre (altough now I got PF Studio, which is pretty good)