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Question: I would like to expand some drawing commands! What syntax do you prefer for:   [1] Horizontal and vertical lines? [2] White and xor drawing?   Please pick ONE [1] option and ONE [2] option.
[1] Prefix with letters:   HLine(Y,X1,X2)  and  VLine(X,Y1,Y2) - 16 (26.7%)
[1] Overload shift commands:   Horizontal(Y,X1,X2)  and  Vertical(X,Y1,Y2) - 3 (5%)
[1] Use Horiz and G-T:   Horiz(Y,X1,X2)  and  Vert(X,Y1,Y2) - 6 (10%)
[1] Use LinReg(a+bx)  and LinReg(ax+b) :   HLine(Y,X1,X2)  and  VLine(X,Y1,Y2) - 4 (6.7%)
[1] Use LinReg(a+bx)  and LinReg(ax+b) :   Horiz(Y,X1,X2)  and  Vert(X,Y1,Y2) - 2 (3.3%)
[1] Other:   Please specify in a post! - 0 (0%)
[2] Use letter modifiers W and X:   e.g.  WHLine(Y,X1,X2),  WRect(X,Y,W,H),  XLine(X1,Y1,X2,Y2),  XCircle(X,Y,R) - 20 (33.3%)
[2] Use symbol modifiers ! and i:   e.g.  !HLine(Y,X1,X2),  !Rect(X,Y,W,H),  iLine(X1,Y1,X2,Y2),  iCircle(X,Y,R) - 9 (15%)
[2] Other:   Please specify in a post! - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #1320 on: 04 October, 2010, 04:08:16 »
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D'oh! I could have used that to save like fifty bytes off Simul Tongue
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« Reply #1321 on: 04 October, 2010, 05:58:35 »
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I use DS<() a lot in Supersonic Ball, because the animation speed for sprites/tiles varies from a level to another.
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« Reply #1322 on: 04 October, 2010, 21:54:38 »
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While we're on the topic of optimizations... Would something like A-128≥≥0 be more optimized than A≥≥128? And if so, why is the ≥≥CONST entry in Auto Opts.txt listed as taking a whole 11 bytes more than ≥≥0?
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« Reply #1323 on: 04 October, 2010, 22:00:09 »
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≥≥0 doesn't really require any code at all in ASM. Every other test really does what you did above: it subtracts the value to test for, and see how the answer compares to zero.
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« Reply #1324 on: 04 October, 2010, 22:21:53 »
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≥≥0 definitely requires code, as it needs to check the sign bit and return it's inverse. And I'm also wondering why ≥≥CONST is 11 bytes larger than ≥≥0, because it seems to me that it could be optimized to just combine -CONST and ≥≥0 and only be 4 bytes larger.
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« Reply #1325 on: 04 October, 2010, 22:24:31 »
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While we're on the topic of optimizations... Would something like A-128≥≥0 be more optimized than A≥≥128? And if so, why is the ≥≥CONST entry in Auto Opts.txt listed as taking a whole 11 bytes more than ≥≥0?
A-128≥≥0 will fail for 128 values close to -32768. That's because after you subtract 128, they become positive and then the comparison will think it is greater. The ≥≥CONST routine takes this into account.
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« Reply #1326 on: 04 October, 2010, 22:55:57 »
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Ah right, I didn't think of that...
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« Reply #1327 on: 09 October, 2010, 04:51:50 »
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I'm kind of new to programming, and there are a few things I'm unfamiliar with.
1. What is a nibble?
2. What can you do with nibbles?
3. In what kind of situation would nibbles be useful?
4. How are nibbles used?
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« Reply #1328 on: 09 October, 2010, 05:00:24 »
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A one or zero is a bit.
4 bits = 1 nibble
8 bits = 1 byte
16 bits = 1 word

Get it!? Half of a bite!  Grin  It's hilarious how so many terms in computer and electrical engineering are either about food or sex.  It just shows what goes on in the mind of a programmer...

You can hold 2 nibbles in 1 byte so they're mostly used for compression if you don't need 256 possible values and can use just 16 then you're using half the memory.
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« Reply #1329 on: 09 October, 2010, 05:04:40 »
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So you could theoretically halve the space a variable takes?
4. How are nibbles used? commands list, right?
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« Reply #1330 on: 09 October, 2010, 05:18:30 »
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Um... what computer terms get their names from sex?
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« Reply #1331 on: 09 October, 2010, 11:08:25 »
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Its mostly electrical terms.  Like male and female connectors, wire strippers, tickler coil, screws, nuts, etc.

You don't "halve" a variable unless you can actually do it.  If the variable has to hold more than 16 possible unique values then a nibble is not sufficiently large enough to hold your data so you would have to use a byte or word instead.  Some tile mappers for instance might always use 16 or fewer tiles per room and so you can load a palette for each group of rooms and then compress the maps to half the size.

Another example is if your character is always aligned to an 8x8 grid, then the X,Y coordinates can be written to a single byte rather than a separate byte for each variable since there are only 12 X possibilities and 8 Y possibilities.  Keep in mind though, that you should only do this if memory is a problem.  Accessing bytes, and sometimes words, is actually fastest and smallest in the program when it comes to reading memory even though the actual data is bigger.
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« Reply #1332 on: 09 October, 2010, 18:06:04 »
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That makes sense.  Thanks!

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Can't say I've looked into that much...
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« Reply #1333 on: 10 October, 2010, 00:35:02 »
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FOOD ... j/k Grin

Btw, here's an example where nibbles are really useful.
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« Reply #1334 on: 14 October, 2010, 06:07:00 »
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Another question.
The game I've been working of, TWHG, currently has a basic and space-consuming way of naming the levels.
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"appvWHGLVL1"→Str01
"appvWHGLVL2"→Str02
"appvWHGLVL3"→Str03
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"appvWHGLVL9"→Str09

.A is the level number
.↓Reference like this
Str01+(A*9)

I tried optimizing it.
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"appvWHGLVL0"→Str0V
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A→{Str0V+7}
Ideally, this would change the number in the Str0V and so reference a different appvar.
So far, I haven't had much luck with it.
Does anybody have any ideas how to get this to work? Huh?
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