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Author Topic: Nspire OS 3.0.2 Blocks Downgrading, Removes 3rd Party Lua - DO NOT UPGRADE! -  (Read 19180 times) Bookmark and Share
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« Reply #15 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:15:23 »
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Much worse:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1108
(last part in red)

There is no way to downgrade after installing the 3.0.2 OS.
Because there are 2 downgrade protections:

- one in the Boot2 which can be removed with TNOC

- one in the OS (the same as in the OS 2.1.0) which sets the minimal installable OS version to 3.0.2.1785.


The latest protection would need something like Nleash, which works like Ndless 2.0.
But what let Ndless 2.0 work in the previous OSes was fixed...

I know of no way to downgrade my TI-Nspire, not even with a RS232 interface.



Has TI just completly closed the TI-Nspire?
Has TI won? Has the community lost?...
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« Reply #16 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:35:34 »
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Okay, wtf...

Should've asked this earlier, but what's the point of all this? Anti-ASM protection, then anti-downgrade, and now anti-Lua. Who knows how much time and resources they spent on the perfect Lua dev environment, and now they smack it out of our hands once they hand it to us. I can see only one explanation for it all, and it's that some TI engineers are either too lazy or too un-1337 to use C/ASM, so the real developers add a simple but powerful language for internal use. In other words, paid apps. Just watch.
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« Reply #17 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:39:04 »
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Okay, this is enough. Fuck TI. I'm never going to buy anything from them again.
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« Reply #18 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:40:59 »
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Quote from: JosJuice on 19 May, 2011, 21:39:04
Okay, this is enough. Fuck TI. I'm never going to buy anything from them again.
This. There's no point anymore. They've made it clear they're not going to support us, so I don't see why we should support them.
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« Reply #19 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:45:53 »
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Quote from: JosJuice on 19 May, 2011, 21:39:04
Okay, this is enough. Fuck TI. I'm never going to buy anything from them again.
This. There's no point anymore. They've made it clear they're not going to support us, so I don't see why we should support them.
If they cease to produce the 8x+ family, they're doomed in the hobbyist market.
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« Reply #20 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:47:30 »
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I'm just hoping that OS 2.71 won't happen... Big frown
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« Reply #21 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:52:11 »
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According to my latest informations ( http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1108 ), I think that the title and 1st topic of this news should be edited.

There is no way to downgrade after installing OS 3.0.2... absolutely no way... not even with TNOC or a RS232 interface.

I wish people like Goplat, Bsl, ExtendeD or Lionel are going to tell me I'm wrong Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:54:01 »
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Bah, just when you thought it was bad enough x.x

I can't edit the post from here. Mods?
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« Reply #23 on: 19 May, 2011, 21:54:34 »
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I've posted about this on TI's Facebook page... Let's see how long time it takes for them to remove it.
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« Reply #24 on: 19 May, 2011, 22:25:40 »
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changed topic, hopefully no one will upgrade.
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« Reply #25 on: 19 May, 2011, 22:29:56 »
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1st post:
Quote from: DJ
According to Goplat's post and Critor on TI-BANK, it is still possible to downgrade to an older OS with TNOC, though.

It should be edited too.
It is still possible to use TNOC to have more free space, but it is not enough to downgrade.
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« Reply #26 on: 19 May, 2011, 22:30:48 »
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« Reply #27 on: 19 May, 2011, 23:05:52 »
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I don't quite understand how third-party Lua development was a problem to TI to the point of making them spend time and money to block it. Lua is well sandboxed and doesn't threaten calculator stability or press-to-test.
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« Reply #28 on: 19 May, 2011, 23:12:57 »
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TI might have plans to sell the Lua SDK.

Or TI might only want to make it available to some "trusted" developers, so that they can indirectly control what kind of programs are released.

Or something else...
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« Reply #29 on: 19 May, 2011, 23:13:31 »
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I'm sad, but on the other hand happy that I'm not forced to upgrade.
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