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General Discussion => Art => Topic started by: nxtboy III on March 10, 2012, 09:10:17 am
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Hi,
I need some levels for my game. To make one all you have to do is post a picture of a level (Max size is around 500x200, minimum size is 100x64). Remember this is for a game with movement and stuff like chattahippie's The Slime. Also this game is pixel-perfect and the character is a 3x3 square. So here are the requirements:
-All monochrome except last picture is 4-lvl grayscale
-3 pictures: 1st showing only black where there will be solid in the game, 2nd picture showing black only where death pixels* are, and 3rd picture (This one is 4-lvl grayscale) shows what you will actually see in the game. The first 2 are not visible but are needed for game pixel-testing purposes
-In the post tell me what the coordinates are where the player will be spawned at, like (5,10) or something (Point (0,0) is at the very bottom left corner)
*Death pixels make you die when touched
I also posted an example.
EXAMPLE: Player coordinates: (32, 61)
**NOTE: The example doesn't have any death pixels*, so I skipped the 2nd picture. Just add it in to yours.
Also the bottom 3 pictures is a level turiqwalrus made.
EDIT: The character can jump around 12-14 pixels high.
Thanks, and have a nice day,
nxtboy III
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I'll help if you give a bit of info:
-How high can the character jump(in pixels)? I'd hate to make a level, but see it not work because the character can't jump high enough :P
-so the character can fit in a 3-high tunnel, right?
-anything else that might pertain to level design...
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Yes, the character can jump around 17-20 pixels. Yeah, he can fit in a 3-high tunnel.
Thanks for helping! :)
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Yes, the character can jump around 17-20 pixels. Yeah, he can fit in a 3-high tunnel.
Thanks for helping! :)
so, 17-20 pixels high?
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Yup. :)
EDIT: Actually the size of the level can be larger than 100x64.
EDIT2: Yeah, so the size could even be 500x200 because of scrolling! :D
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Wow huge I_I
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Yeah, well, it is pixel perfect, not tiled, so...... yeah, that's why. :P lol
Could you help, maybe?
EDIT: Actually the max size should probably be around 500x200... It takes up so much space. :P
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right... here's a prototype level. just tell me if you want anything done to it ;)
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:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: O.O *.*
That is AMAZING!!!!
That looks really awesome!!
Actually, that is perfect! Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Hmm, interesting. Question: Is this method the best way of storing the level(size wise)? If so, I'll use it in the future. :)(to program in AXE hehe)
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No tile wise is smaller.
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Ummm....
Well, size-wise, it takes up around 9.7 kilobytes for the big level, since it has to have 3 pictures for 4-lvl grayscale. The other two solid and kill pictures take up around 3.2 kilobytes (I'm talking about a 200x128 pixel level).
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He's using this for detail. Also, how much space does the nxt have?
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Yeah, I see. Well good luck with this Nxtboy!
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Thanks Stefan! :)
Yeah, this way is easier to make levels, though it takes up a lot of space.
Sadly, my NXT only has around 105-ish kilobytes of storage, with everything deleted, except the firmware.
turiq- You should maybe make me more levels..... ;)
And could other's make some levels for me? please? :angel:
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Ummm....
Well, size-wise, it takes up around 9.7 kilobytes for the big level, since it has to have 3 pictures for 4-lvl grayscale. The other two solid and kill pictures take up around 3.2 kilobytes (I'm talking about a 200x128 pixel level).
methinks that 200*128 should be about right for level sizes... not too big and not too small ;)
and I'll get to work on another level as soon as I have the time.
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Oh, ok, cool. :)
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So could some other people help with the levels? please?? :angel:
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I would want to, but I need to work on my exams and I know that would probably steal a lot of my time.
I hope there are others who can help.
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I would want to, but I need to work on my exams and I know that would probably steal a lot of my time.
I hope there are others who can help.
Thanks for saying so. :)
Yeah, hopefully others can help.
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Hmm will levels that are 200x128 even fit in 105 KB of memory? O.O 200x128=25600, so you can't even fit more than 3 levels... ???
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... Wow. O.O
Well actually, each level (If 200x128) takes up about 16.1 Kilobytes. But of course, some levels will be smaller, and some bigger.
If all levels were 200x128, I could fit in about 6 levels.
EDIT: So each pixel in the picture takes up about 0.126 bytes.
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Ah, thats better then . Do you use some form of compression such as half byte?
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Compression? I have no idea...
But it is cool because the NXT uses .ric as a picture. There are some easy-to-use .ric editors out there. The file can actually get pretty advanced. It can have all sorts of stuff like varmaps, different copybits, etc.
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I see, I don't know what are those lol, so I would need to go check when I get some time.
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Ok. Well it's probably hard to check using an iPod/playstation 3. :P
So hopefully some people can help make levels.
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So can anybody help? Please? I really need some levels.
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So.... does anybody happen to have any freetime for this? I know, i'm so impatient, but I really need some cool levels.
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All I can do is put something in my signature(Like you). I will do so now.
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Wow, that's nice. Thanks!! :D :D :D
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So could anybody help create levels for me? I just want some cool levels... Maybe with deathtraps and stuff.
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Ah, I'll give it a go later :D Also, it stores each pixel the same way the TI calculators do where 1 byte is 8 pixels. It is more precisely .125 bytes per pixel :) I am glad this method is working so well for you, too :D Would you be able to show us a level in action by any chance?
EDIT: Time for class, but it is looking okay already :)
EDIT2: Apparently, I cannot go to class today D:
EDIT3: I could not stay focused long enough to finish !_! Still, this should give people an idea of how secret passages and whatnot could work :) Just make sure that you are drawing the player, then the region on top of the sprite in case of secret tunnels :D
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O.O
Wow, that is really good!! Thanks so much! I like how you use the grayscale and smooth platforms. You are actually quite good at this! I
About showing a level in action-
I can't really show you using a program called NXTScreen because it looks real bad and doesn't have grayscale, so I might have to post a .mov of a video of me showing it.
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Thanks :) And that is fine, I was just wondering if it was possible :) Also, when i made the secret tunnel, I was thinking of games like Mario or Metroid where you can go through certain walls and you cannot see the player all the time. Pretty much, the way you can do it:
Draw the player and then draw any ON pixels on the map over it. If the pixels on the map are off, just don't change it :) Then when you move, you will need to restore it. I don't know if that will slow things down, though :/
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Yeah. I can OR the level picture to only draw the on pixels. And that works!!! :D
These levels are for the game I had bugs with earlier. :)
EDIT: You can see in my limitations of pxl-test platformer post.
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Ah, I see. Did you use turiq's map for the example you showed there of the bug?
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Yeah!
At least that screenshot was sort of readable.... :P
So I need more levels. Thanks for yours!
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I'll try when I've time
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Cool, thanks!
Anybody else? :P
(Im so impatient, but so excited)
EDIT: Actually OR-ing doesn't seem to work... :(
EDIT2: Xeda, I'm trying out your level on my NXT. I like how when you have to jump up the thick platforms on the left, it is more of a challenge because the top of the player might bump the platform above and fall down. :)
EDIT3: I think I know why OR-ing it isn't working. It is because of the grayscale. Since when I am in the secret passage, dark gray is 2/3 black pixels, and 1/3 white pixels. Those 1/3 white pixels are still being displayed because they are white, and underneath them is the black 3x3 player.
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So does anybody else want to make some really cool levels (that are challenging)? Also you can put a flag or something to represent the end of the level.
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Ah, I see, yeah, I forgot that grayscale part :P You can OR the different layers together, then, maybe? (like the darker layer of the sprite and background and then the lighter layer of both). I don't know if that would work at all...
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I don't know...
My game is already running slow with about 10 enemies... :(
Levels? anybody?
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I don't know...
My game is already running slow with about 10 enemies... :(
Levels? anybody?
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I tried.
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Thanks! That looks REALLY nice! I like how you added the secret passages and stuff. :)
EDIT: Anybody want to make me some more levels?
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Anybody else want to make me some levels? You could make it a certain theme, like cave or buildings, in a jungle, etc? That would be really awesome.
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Anybody else want to make me some levels? You could make it a certain theme, like cave or buildings, in a jungle, etc? That would be really awesome.
please help? :angel:
EDIT: I have added moving platforms to the game! If you want to add a moving platform when you are making a level for me, just draw out the platform (must be a straight orange line) with purple dots indicating the range of the platform(it only moves horizontally). Draw all that on the picture showing all the solid stuff.
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Anybody want to help?? PLEASE? :'(
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Triple Post...
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
And If I take a look of your level resquest, maybe I'll try something, after the 2nd turn of my contest
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Triple Post...
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
And If I take a look of your level resquest, maybe I'll try something, after the 2nd turn of my contest
K, cool. Hopefully you can help. :)
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in the time you've asked a thousand times who wants to make levels you could have made them yourself. You have several ideas (the themes) so why don't you just try..
i don't want to be rude, but please stop those spammy triple post asking for help for level design
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Yeah I agree, else that will annoy more and more people after a while (in the same way as when a member come to ask programming help, but pretty much begs for the entire game to be coded for him). As I said in the other topic, if you really cannot get levels done yourself it might be best to maybe "hire" a level designer. A bunch of projects here on the forums are made by a team of two people, one coding the game and the other designing the levels (eg Leafiness' Graviter game)
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Yeah I agree, else that will annoy more and more people after a while (in the same way as when a member come to ask programming help, but pretty much begs for the entire game to be coded for him). As I said in the other topic, if you really cannot get levels done yourself it might be best to maybe "hire" a level designer. A bunch of projects here on the forums are made by a team of two people, one coding the game and the other designing the levels (eg Leafiness' Graviter game)
Argh! I seem to be asking too much for everything! :banghead:
Yeah, I'm sorry everybody for being lazy...
It's just that I am not a good level designer at all......
Sorry.
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So is it possible for somebody to make me some levels?
Or better, teach me how to make good levels? Step-by-step? :)
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Soo you first need to get an idea. Then work it out. Then test it. Then improve it. And so on.
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Soo you first need to get an idea. Then work it out. Then test it. Then improve it. And so on.
true, and to get the idea, you can e.g. start drawing random lines on a sheet of paper, and then start connecting them and make levels that way :)
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true, and to get the idea, you can e.g. start drawing random lines on a sheet of paper, and then start connecting them and make levels that way :)
???
Are you kidding?
Seriously?
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Soo you first need to get an idea. Then work it out. Then test it. Then improve it. And so on.
true, and to get the idea, you can e.g. start drawing random lines on a sheet of paper, and then start connecting them and make levels that way :)
That's what I do most of the time! :D
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That's what I do most of the time! :D
O.O
Wow.
So could you make me a level? please?
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Well levels hmm. I think I might be able to get a B/W level though it would take me a while to get the greyscale one ready.
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Cool. So you could make it a certain theme if you want. I recommend the size of 200x128 or smaller(must be at least 100x64), but it can be bigger if you want.
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I've got 200x128 cuz I thought 100x64 might be a bit small. 200x128 fits somewhere in the middle nicely.
Anyway here's my progress on the solid layer so far.
EDIT: Moar Progress! I haven't distinguished the layers properly except the solid layer is slightly transparent. It'll be changed in the final version.
EDIT: This is going to be confusing. I am working with several layers at one time, which are currently colour coded.
So currently the death layer is red. And solid layer is partially transparent (so I can view the view and solid layers together)
In a more final version I'll fix this.
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So any more progress lately?
Jonius- Make sure to try to have the horizontal lines that are solid at least > 1 pixel, because of collision.
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Yes ok. Sorry it is time consuming and I may have to redraw some whole sections due to them being too narrow and stuff for the 3x3 square.
Also it is your game nxtboy III so you should probably be updating us on some progress such as trying to add in coins and other detections stuff.
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Coins? I probably won't add, mostly because of speed... it slows down the game a lot.
You can post in my game thread if you want. :)
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Noticing the small platforms in the level above, will they display exactly like this in the game or will they be like twice larger? If your physics are complex and you can move up/down by more than 1 pixel at once, I wonder if with such thin platforms, your character won't move through them sometimes?
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Yes, sometimes the player skips collision when jumping, but usually not when falling because I coded some good stuff for that (with help from others). ;)
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Ah ok that's good. As for jumping, I guess it could actually have a cool effect, in the way that you could make your game so when there are tiny platforms, the player can jump on them from below them, like some platforms in Super Mario. It could add some twists to the level in the way that you can jump there, but once you did, you can't go back.
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Ya, i guess so.
Though you can post stuff specific about my game in my actual game topic. ;)
So would you be interested in making a level (or anybody else)?
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bump
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I think saintrunner and jonius7 are gone or absent for a long while D:
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What is the game called? And I assume it's for the NXT?
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The name? there is none but look for the project in Non-calc gaming.
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bump
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Have you checked my Metroid map before? Because I feel parts of it could probably be used as level pics if you edit them. Of course they're tilemap style but as pic it could work if the blocks aren't too great.