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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2012, 01:27:34 pm »
By emulator you mean the Nspire Student Software right?
I don't know how it would be possible to install it on a flash drive, but I don't see much of a purpose - Goplat's emulator is perfectly fine for me.
I mean the Prizm emulator.  I don't have an Nspire, nor do I plan on getting one :P
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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2012, 01:41:18 pm »
Ahh, didn't read properly :( But it would be hard for Casio to allow the emulator to be run off a flash drive and keep it from being pirated - this hasn't worked in the video game industry, so it probably won't work here.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2012, 01:45:55 pm »
Nothing has worked in the video game industry yet.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 02:57:32 pm »
For question 5, I think TI should have the same reaction, as in wishing to allow third-party development in C while keepimg calculators safe for testing purposes, but instead they are like, BLOCK EVERYTHING.
That's because the Casio people are customer orientated and polite but while the TI people are a bunch of as oles so I wouldn't expect that to ever change.  They are what they are.  Evil is as evil does.  Btw,  People here don't like the way TI treats them but they still spend their money with TI.  Why is that?  In protest against the way ti treats me as a customer I didn't buy an nspire and I havn't bought one and I won't buy one.  I don't need their additude nor their nshit.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2012, 04:00:43 pm »
I'll see if I can dig out my suggestions I sent him a while ago...

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<...>

I have to say, I really was surprised by how well the Prizm handles
compared to TI calculators. There are a lot of functions and tools
that are more readily available on the Prizm than on a TI calculator.

Something I'd like to suggest however, is perhaps the inclusion of
some of your programming capabilities. There is a surprisingly big
community behind developing for these calculators, as you've probably
seen with sites like Cemetech. Furthermore, it would also serve to get
students taking your course to learn programming topics and ideas,
which can be very helpful in mathematics and beyond. Nowadays, there
aren't many opportunities for students to get introduced to
programming, and that could be cause for some concern. TI calculators
used to counteract that. Many students were introduced to programming
through TI Basic. However, with recent developments regarding the
Nspire and Ndless, TI has shown that they have more or less forsaken
that role. From what I know about Casio, you guys don't want to
suppress that. All I can really say is, capitalize on that.
Advertising that your product has excellent programming capabilities
is definitely a plus. ;) (You could also think of it this way. If we
can get Doom, video players, and Gameboy color emulators on a platform
that TI does its hardest to lock down, just think about what could be
developed for a platform that embraces advanced, low level
programming) :)

(^If that sounds incomprehensible, forgive me, I'm way too tired. lol) :P

Thank you.

His response:

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 You are not the first to mention programming and we are
investigating the possibility but I am in no position to comment on the
likelihood of that happening.

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Thank you for your response to my comments. It's nice to hear that
Casio is actively looking into the possibility. I hope for the best.
:D

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Hello again,

My investigation was very quickly cut short.  I have been instructed to respond (and I quote): "Casio does not have a plan to release SDK for PRIZM"

That doesn't mean that I and a few others won't keep suggesting it or trying alternate ideas; but R&D is concerned with inappropriate use.

We will continue to hope for the best.

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Ok, I under stand the means to keep the calculator appropriate for
schools. Personally, in my own opinion there wouldn't need to be a
proper SDK released for future calculators. I think many people would
like to see perhaps just the ability to run more powerful languages on
calc, or to see a beefed up version of CasioBasic. Although that might
be the same as an SDK now that I think about it. :S However, something
that could be suggested, is improving the performance of CasioBasic as
well as, perhaps, making it closer to OO languages seen all around
today. I know that, since I stated programming with TI Basic, while it
whetted my appetite for programming, it severely hurt my ability to
transition into computer languages like C/C++... Luckily I managed to
catch on and now I'm working towards a Bachelors Degree in Computer
Science. However, others might not be able to catch on like I did and
because Basic is so different from modern languages, it can hurt their
understanding. So moving towards a more OO paradigm can help a lot.
Also, I wonder if CasioBasic could ever be modified to be compiled
rather than interpreted. Steps would have to be taken to ensure it
can't hurt the calc, but from what I've seen with Axe and Grammar
(although Grammar is interpreted) it's a very popular choice, and it
can speed up the language dramatically.

I also know that a lot of people chafe sometimes at the memory
capacity of calculators. There have been some quite large applications
developed for previous products that have forced some users to remove
other applications due to space requirements. I know that RAM is
relatively cheap nowadays (I can get a 1 Terabyte 3.0 USB Portable
Hard Drive for about $130 off of newegg) So I know that increased
memory storage could possibly be a viable option that would go well in
your favor. :)
Although that's just my idea... I've always wondered what it would be
like if there were to be a device meant specifically for developers
that would allow them to program and work on code on the go. Now quite
a miniature computer, but not just a cheap toy. :) But I digress. :P

Hopefully, at the very least, future products don't completely forsake
the programming capabilities. TI did that with the Nspire series and
it hurt them quite badly. :P

Thanks for looking into it, I appreciate it.

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Very good suggestions, <:trollface:>.  I think the best hope is that we'll somehow improve the programming feature set.  I have some programming background and am familiar with C++, Java and Python and I agree that the existing Basic functionality is tough to return to.

When we are working on the next iteration of our technology we'll see what we can do!

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 11:40:20 pm »
Did he really reply with a trollface? O.O

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 12:50:11 am »
No. I replaced my name with one XD

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 01:16:48 am »
Lol ok :P. It's nice that they actually responded to your suggestions, though. Hopefully if they decide to not support 3rd-party programming, at least if they continue not trying to block it, then it will be just good enough.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 01:56:52 am »
Yeah, my own idea would be to have some kind of compromise. Perhaps in the form of a very fast (possibly compiled) form of Basic (or other language) and perhaps even make it OO.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 02:59:11 am »
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2. Catalog Help: An absolutely fabulous idea -- I don't make these decisions, but I'm going to push for this one.
These CASIO guys are funny. They had a Catalog Help implemented on the fx-9860 slim and dropped the idea with the following systems.
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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2012, 03:00:06 am »
Really? Wow I wish they still had it. It would have been useful when I tried learning BASIC lol. There's an add-in that adds such feature on the TI-83+.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 03:19:23 am »
Also I sent him a question of my own a few days back, about the ability to install the emulator on a flash drive:
Quote from: Self
Hi, a question about the emulator, the license of which is offered in this promotion.  Can it be installed on a flash drive or similar, so you can bring it with you?
If not, is this planned for the future?
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Hi <snip>,
 
That's a fascinating question.  Let me respond with a question of my own, since I don't often install software on flash drives: wouldn't something like that require zero copy protection?  The ability to do something like that would clearly be useful, but if it short-circuited our ability to market our product then it would amount to shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
Standard copy protection as I understand it would either require a registry entry (which would require installation on a machine, not a flash drive) OR would require a disc in the drive (which would make a flash drive installation pointless, I believe).  Am I missing other options?
 
I hope these questions make sense and I really am interested in your response.
 
Kind Regards,
Nathan
Aside from how amazing it is to get a response from an actual person rather than an auto-responder hooked up to Cleverbot or something (insert :TI: smiley again :P)..any ideas?  The only sort of thing I can come up with is some sort of ID that you register somewhere, kind of like the calc's serial number.  Perhaps part of the validation process would involve checking some db for the same ID?  But then that might require internet access...

I'm not too familiar with this sort of stuff :/
Well... There aren't really any effective methods of copy protection for files that can be put on flash drives freely. In fact, the removal of copy protection (and the installer) is exactly what makes it possible to put it on flash drives. Less DRM = more convenience for the user.

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 04:47:43 am »
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2. Catalog Help: An absolutely fabulous idea -- I don't make these decisions, but I'm going to push for this one.
These CASIO guys are funny. They had a Catalog Help implemented on the fx-9860 slim and dropped the idea with the following systems.

Yup, go see the Test mode, in a menu, you can change all the options, but just see the Syntax Helper, not turn it on

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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2012, 08:31:49 am »
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These CASIO guys are funny. They had a Catalog Help implemented on the fx-9860 slim and dropped the idea with the following systems.

This is Casio's policy for years. The help functionality is an exclusive fx-9860G Slim feature.
Or compare this with the fx-7400GII series: The predecessor had 20k of RAM and a crappy display. What did Casio? Took a totally crippled fx-9860GII code base and a piece of sh** of LCD, just to "convince" people this is a refresh of a legacy design.
They could have used an fx-9750GII without USB instead.
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Re: Casio's Response to My Suggestions
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2012, 10:21:44 am »
One thing I think would go well on the Casio Prizm is a "Custom" menu like what's on the TI-85 and the TI-86, where you can look things up in the catalog and place them in a menu for your own use.
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