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Calculator Community => Casio Calculators => Topic started by: flyingfisch on February 09, 2012, 04:34:01 pm

Title: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 09, 2012, 04:34:01 pm
Will we ever have an official sdk for prizm? Or are we only going to be able to use the third party ones?
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Scipi on February 09, 2012, 05:55:10 pm
I actually got an email from Casio just now and I got the reply:

Quote
"Casio does not have a plan to release SDK for PRIZM"

And that's the quote he got from his own investigation. Apparently, the R&D is worried about inappropriate use.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 09, 2012, 11:24:09 pm
R&D? Also, that sucks :(
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Scipi on February 09, 2012, 11:45:18 pm
Research and Development
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 10, 2012, 01:31:23 am
That sucks, maybe they have the same concerns as the TI-Nspire, although I hope they won't go into a war against 3rd-party tools like TI did with Ndless.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: ruler501 on February 10, 2012, 10:59:25 pm
From what I've read/seen casio seems to be much more laid back about our hacking so I dont think they will do much against us unless we create a program for cheating on tests...
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Eiyeron on February 14, 2012, 03:52:19 pm
I saw somewhere that the FX os does not belong to Casio...
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 14, 2012, 04:07:20 pm
Quote from: ruler501 on February 10, 2012, 10:59:25 pm
From what I've read/seen casio seems to be much more laid back about our hacking so I dont think they will do much against us unless we create a program for cheating on tests...
Yeah maybe but since they don't plan on a SDK because of possible innapropriate uses, does it mean they'll try hard to prevent those innapropriate uses if a 3rd-party SDK comes out?

Quote from: Eiyeron on February 14, 2012, 03:52:19 pm
I saw somewhere that the FX os does not belong to Casio...
Link? ??? (I know the Nspire OS is by a different company for example)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Scipi on February 14, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
The good news is that Nathan and a few others are still going to try suggesting it and other ideas when the opportunities present themselves.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 14, 2012, 06:06:23 pm
Quote from: HOMER-16 on February 14, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
The good news is that Nathan and a few others are still going to try suggesting it and other ideas when the opportunities present themselves.

Nice, I certainly hope so... :)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: BlakPilar on February 14, 2012, 07:53:44 pm
Wait... I thought Casio had an official SDK for C over here (http://edu.casio.com/products/sdk/9860sdk.html)? (Found from Kerm's Cemetech post (http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6133).)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 14, 2012, 08:12:49 pm
That one is for the FX-9860, not the PRIZM ;)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: BlakPilar on February 14, 2012, 08:15:35 pm
Yes, but if Kerm's one requirement ("A Casio Prizm (fx-cg10 or fx-cg20) graphing calculator") is to be believed, it's compatible :P
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 14, 2012, 08:20:44 pm
No, not compatible, uses some of the same libs, I think. Anyway, from what I heard, that method of developing for prizm is deprecated... We are supposed to use GCC instead. ;)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: BlakPilar on February 14, 2012, 08:25:40 pm
Mkay. And where might one get his or her hands on said GCC implementation? :3
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Juju on February 14, 2012, 08:30:09 pm
Well, I guess that since the Prizm can work with the 9860 SDK and there's lots of community-made SDKs, they won't bother making an official one.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 14, 2012, 09:10:33 pm
Quote from: BlakPilar on February 14, 2012, 08:25:40 pm
Mkay. And where might one get his or her hands on said GCC implementation? :3

AHelper said he would post instructions on prizm wiki in a few days ;)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 14, 2012, 10:35:22 pm
Hmm... I guess if the 9860G SDK can work that can explain it too. It would be nice to have community tools, though, because even on the 83+ TI tools were unreliable and people decided to make their own anyway (WabbitStudio and Doors CS SDK comes to mind)
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 15, 2012, 01:55:20 pm
It would be nice if casio would just let everyone know the syscalls for prizm...
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Eiyeron on February 15, 2012, 03:06:06 pm
Don't forget fxes, we must know many informations we don't have now, like timers without reset, or screen timers for grayscale...
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 15, 2012, 11:54:14 pm
True. By the way has Casio ever released an SDK for the Algebra FX/Graph 100 series? Back in the days, many people programmed for those. I know they released an SDK for the Classpad series after a lot of pressure from the TI community.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on February 16, 2012, 09:48:35 am
I'm sure Casio has an SDK for their dev team. The question is whether or not they will release it for public use. Even if they do, it may be no better than the 3rd party SDK. I remember TI actually had a SDK for C for the TI-89, and apparently it was severely lacking.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Eiyeron on February 16, 2012, 10:56:11 am
Quote from: DJ_O on February 15, 2012, 11:54:14 pm
True. By the way has Casio ever released an SDK for the Algebra FX/Graph 100 series? Back in the days, many people programmed for those. I know they released an SDK for the Classpad series after a lot of pressure from the TI community.

No, AFX addins are just .EXE.
you can compile for afx with turboC with some options and libs.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: helder7 on February 16, 2012, 02:10:39 pm
Why not create a petition to request the release of the sdk for casio fx cg10/20?
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 16, 2012, 02:13:48 pm
Quote from: helder7 on February 16, 2012, 02:10:39 pm
Why not create a petition to request the release of the sdk for casio fx cg10/20?

That's a good idea! :D
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on February 16, 2012, 02:32:33 pm
An official SDK can indeed be useful if it contains features (toolchain capabilities, documentation, functions in header files and libraries, etc.) that third-party open SDKs don't have at the time it is released :)

Spoiler For Spoiler:
The only significant upside of TI's official SDK for TI-68k calculators, TIFS, is the ability to generate FlashApps for TI-68k calculators. But on the TI-68k series, FlashApps have never been as popular as on the TI-Z80 series, because ASM programs had no significant size restriction.
Its downside are many, for instance (but not limited to)
* C compiler limited to a severely outdated (before C89 !) dialect of C and generating bad code;
* slow and buggy IDE which requires Microsoft proprietary Java (incompatible with Vista and 7);
* slow, highly inaccurate and incomplete emulator;
* headers, library significantly less complete than those of TIGCC (which was released a while before TIFS), and therefore GCC4TI (superset of TIGCC).
The documentation is a mixed bag: it's horrible on low-level aspects, but some high-level functions remain undocumented even in GCC4TI (though it has dozens of functions and variables that TIGCC doesn't have).
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Scipi on February 16, 2012, 03:38:28 pm
Quote from: helder7 on February 16, 2012, 02:10:39 pm
Why not create a petition to request the release of the sdk for casio fx cg10/20?

Meh. Petitioning for an SDK might have its consequences. It's generally unwise to force their hand. It seems to me that they're more or less just starting to communicate with the community and us coming out of the gates with demands might reflect badly on us. For now we can just put a little bit of pressure on them for an SDK, but nothing to make them want to have nothing to do with us.

Or at least that's how I foresee it happening.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: flyingfisch on February 16, 2012, 03:50:03 pm
Quote from: HOMER-16 on February 16, 2012, 03:38:28 pm
Quote from: helder7 on February 16, 2012, 02:10:39 pm
Why not create a petition to request the release of the sdk for casio fx cg10/20?

Meh. Petitioning for an SDK might have its consequences. It's generally unwise to force their hand. It seems to me that they're more or less just starting to communicate with the community and us coming out of the gates with demands might reflect badly on us. For now we can just put a little bit of pressure on them for an SDK, but nothing to make them want to have nothing to do with us.

Or at least that's how I foresee it happening.

Yeah you might be right.
Title: Re: Is casio going to make their own SDK?
Post by: Eiyeron on February 16, 2012, 04:00:51 pm
Agreed: forcing does not ever goes the relations better... :-°


EDIT 03/10/2012
Quote from: Eiyeron on February 14, 2012, 03:52:19 pm
I saw somewhere that the FX os does not belong to Casio...

I think that I found!
See, THe ClassPad's OS belongs to Saltire according to PierrotLL here (http://www.planet-casio.com/Fr/forums/topic11142-2-Flashback-dernierre-extinction-(35+).html), and, exploring the AFX, I saw that one executable names "SALTIRE.EXE". So I think that Saltire Owns the AFX's OS, and why not, FX's...