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Title: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 05:41:33 pm
Hello, Casio education:

My name is Adam and I am 14 year old student in 9th grade and I am a devoted developer for graphing calculators. I like making games, utilities, and math/science programs for graphing calculators; basically, I'm all over the place in love with programming calculators.  I really wish to develop for your new casio prizm model, which I hear is to be released sometime in January 2011.  Me (and my friends) have a few questions, to see what power the prizm will give us to develop.  Could you answer them?  We would really appreciate it greatly:

Will the prizm have a software development kit for C/assembly programming?  If so, is it free to use and do we need licenses to use it?

What processor is it based on?  I've heard somewhere it's based on a reduced-instruction 32-bit processor, it this true?  What is processing speed of the processor?

What color palette does the prizm use?  Is it standard 16 bit or 15 bit with an additional bit for luminescence? And, will the SDK (if there is one) allow use to harness all of these colors?

Is the 61K of user ram for CASIO-BASIC programs, or for ADD-INs too?  how much of the 16mb of storage is free for use to use with add-ins?

Also, does this model have backward compatibility with previous models?  And, how is data transferred from calculator to computer?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!  We are really looking forward to your new model.  If it supports 3rd party development, then we will truly acknowledge that it is the "NSpire killer" -- TI is too restrictive on 3rd party development.

Cheers to the prizm!

~Adam
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 06, 2010, 05:42:45 pm
Looks good to me.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: apcalc on December 06, 2010, 05:43:54 pm
Looks good!  I do hope you get an response though, as Casio never responded to one of my questions. :(
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Builderboy on December 06, 2010, 05:44:25 pm
Looks good to me too, nice and polite and has got to stroke their ego with the TI hit at the end  ;D
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Munchor on December 06, 2010, 05:44:43 pm
It looks good. But how do you plan on sending it? Contact Us in Casio website?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: ztrumpet on December 06, 2010, 05:46:09 pm
Sounds great!

One thing:
Also, does this model have backward compatibility with previous models?  And, how is data transferred from calculator to computer?
I think this should maybe be reworded to avoid the fragment at the end.  How about, "Does this model have backward compatibility with previous models?  Also, how is data transferred from calculator to computer?"
:)
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 05:48:58 pm
ztrumpet, fixed.

Also should I add a link to omni at the end?  Or is that pushing it?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Munchor on December 06, 2010, 05:49:33 pm
ztrumpet, fixed.

Also should I add a link to omni at the end?  Or is that pushing it?

Are your friends (in the letter), us or real life friends?

If us, link it. If not, don't.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 06, 2010, 05:49:42 pm
It's pushing it. I wouldn't recommend it. Let them respond personally if at all.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 05:51:59 pm
you are my friends, unless you don't wanna be ;)

EDIT: ok no link then

Last call, I'm sending in 60 seconds, ANY objections/corrections?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 06, 2010, 05:53:08 pm
Maybe less focus on games? What if Casio was against games on calculators and decided to limit the calc even more to prevent them? You could mention games, but also powerful school applications and stuff, so the focus is not 100% on games. Try to make sure it sounds like you know it's a calculator and not a gaming handheld, but still ask them questions on a developer side.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 05:55:43 pm
Hello, Casio education:

My name is Adam and I am 14 year old student in 9th grade and I am a devoted developer for graphing calculators. I like making games and utilities, but I especially powerful math/science programs for graphing calculators; basically, I'm all over the place in love with programming calculators.  I really wish to develop for your new casio prizm model, which I hear is to be released sometime in January 2011.  Me (and my friends) have a few questions, to see what power the prizm will give us to develop.  Could you answer them?  We would really appreciate it greatly:

Will the prizm have a software development kit for C/assembly programming?  If so, is it free to use and do we need licenses to use it?

What processor is it based on?  I've heard somewhere it's based on a reduced-instruction 32-bit processor, it this true?  What is processing speed of the processor?

What color palette does the prizm use?  Is it standard 16 bit or 15 bit with an additional bit for luminescence? And, will the SDK (if there is one) allow use to harness all of these colors?

Is the 61K of user ram for CASIO-BASIC programs, or for ADD-INs too?  how much of the 16mb of storage is free for use to use with add-ins?

Does this model have backward compatibility with previous models?  Also, how is data transferred from calculator to computer?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!  We are really looking forward to your new model.  If it supports 3rd party development, then we will truly acknowledge that it is the "NSpire killer" -- TI is too restrictive on 3rd party development.

Cheers to the prizm!

~Adam








Will send after dinner, I have to go, fix it up for me and I'll send in 15 minutes
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 06:03:13 pm
Oh... Revised: (for grammar, spelling, readability, and formality) (Might I suggest using your full name, instead of just Adam.)
Hello, Casio Education:

My name is Adam and I am 14 year old student in 9th grade and I am a devoted developer for graphing calculators. I like making games, utilities, and math/science programs for graphing calculators. Basically, I really love programming graphing calculators.  I really wish to develop for your new casio prizm model, which I hear is to be released sometime in January 2011.  My friends and I have a few questions, to see what power the prizm will give us to develop.

Will the prizm have a software development kit for C/assembly programming?  If so, is it free to use and do we need licenses to use it?

What processor is it based on?  I've heard somewhere it's based on a reduced-instruction 32-bit processor, it this true?  What is the processing speed of the processor?

What color palette does the prizm use?  Is it standard 16 bit or 15 bit with an additional bit for luminescence? Does the SDK (if there is one) allow use of all of these colors?

Is the 61K of user ram for CASIO-BASIC programs, or for ADD-INs too?  How much of the 16mb of storage is free for us to use with add-ins?

Does this model have backward compatibility with previous models?  How is data transferred from calculator to computer?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!  We are really looking forward to your new model.  I hope the Casio prizm supports at least some 3rd party development.  I also thought about getting a TI-NSpire, but found it was too restrictive.

Waiting anxiously for your reply, and the new Casio calc,
Adam
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: ztrumpet on December 06, 2010, 06:03:50 pm
"but I especially powerful math/science programs for graphing calculators"  Nice grammar. :)  You may want to fix this. ;D

Edit: ninja'd :'(
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 06, 2010, 06:05:08 pm
I was gonna edit it but Graph ninja'd me :P
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 06:17:27 pm
I was gonna edit it but Graph ninja'd me :P
/me pulls out his katana and...
Oh, different ninja...  The way I figure it, the insult to TI at the end isn't going to make a company any more likely to tell you all this information.  A professional email will get professional results.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 06:40:15 pm
edited for 1000 characters, it was ~1500 before and the max is 1000:

Hello, Casio Education:

My name is Adam and I'm a 14 year old student and I'm a devoted developer for graphing calculators. I like making games, utilities, and math/science programs for them.  I really wish to develop for your new prizm model, which I hear is to be released sometime in January 2011.  I have a few questions, to see what power the prizm will give me to develop.

Will the prizm have a SDK for C/assembly programming?  If so, is it free to use and do I need license to use it?

What processor is it based on? What is the processing speed of the processor?

What color palette does the prizm use? Does the SDK (if there is one) allow use of all of it's colors?

How much of the 16mb storage is free for me to use with add-ins?

How is data transferred from calculator to computer?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!  I am looking forward to your new model.  I hope the prizm supports at least some 3rd party development; if so, it is the TI-NSpire killer!

Waiting anxiously for your reply,
Adam
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 06:49:15 pm
edited for 1000 characters, it was ~1500 before and the max is 1000:

Hello, Casio Education:

My name is Adam and I'm a 14 year old student and I'm a devoted developer for graphing calculators. I like making games, utilities, and math/science programs for them.  I really wish to develop for your new prizm model, which I hear is to be released sometime in January 2011.  I have a few questions, to see what power the prizm will give me to develop.

Will the prizm have a SDK for C/assembly programming?  If so, is it free to use and do I need license to use it?

What processor is it based on? What is the processing speed of the processor?

What color palette does the prizm use? Does the SDK (if there is one) allow use of all of it's colors?

How much of the 16mb storage is free for me to use with add-ins?

How is data transferred from calculator to computer?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!  I am looking forward to your new model.  I hope the prizm supports at least some 3rd party development as the TI-NSpire does not.

Waiting anxiously for your reply,
Adam
Fixed. Again, insulting TI in a letter to Casio will hurt your chances rather than help you. That, I can pretty much guarantee.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 07:49:55 pm
for some reason it won't let me send ...

...can someone else try it too?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 07:50:41 pm
for some reason it won't let me send ...

...can someone else try it too?
Nope! j/k. I don't think it's over the word count. Are you sending from a hotmail/gmail account? What error is it giving?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 06, 2010, 07:51:48 pm
from their website, it says 'enter a message'...

??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 07:59:08 pm
Hmm.. Hardware and software guide:
http://www.casioeducation.com/resource/manuals/PRIZM%20FX-CG10/Hardware_User_Guide_English.pdf
http://www.casioeducation.com/resource/manuals/PRIZM%20FX-CG10/Software_User_Guide_English.pdf

Sorry, ashbad, don't know what to do.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 06, 2010, 08:18:41 pm
Try in different browser? (or maybe they got too many Casio Prizm e-mails and purposely broke their e-mail form to not receive anymore :P)

Also nice find Graph! One thing I hope, though, is that the loading bar won't appear everytime we store stuff to real vars, though. This would make BASIC programs ugly... O.O
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 08:24:31 pm
Try in different browser? (or maybe they got too many Casio Prizm e-mails and purposely broke their e-mail form to not receive anymore :P)

Also nice find Graph! One thing I hope, though, is that the loading bar won't appear everytime we store stuff to real vars, though. This would make BASIC programs ugly... O.O
Which could mean that their memory is insanely slow.  Other than that, I can only assume it is a flag, and can be disabled software wise. I might just get one of these.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 06, 2010, 08:37:26 pm
How much data must you store to see a loading bar?  :o

That's some slow memory right there...

On the other hand, I hope that busy indicator goes away too.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: jnesselr on December 06, 2010, 08:39:34 pm
How much data must you store to see a loading bar?  :o

That's some slow memory right there...

On the other hand, I hope that busy indicator goes away too.
See, it says that when you see the loading bar, don't turn it off or reset it. So, I don't think it has completely to do with reading/writing. Just, large pieces of data, and again, I'm sure it's disable-able.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: willrandship on December 06, 2010, 10:25:47 pm
sounds more like the old archiving/unarchiving system to me. Saving to flash ROM brings up the loading bar, but not saving a var in RAM. (at least I hope :P)
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2010, 12:12:48 am
How much data must you store to see a loading bar?  :o

That's some slow memory right there...

On the other hand, I hope that busy indicator goes away too.
I guess it's probably when archiving/unarchiving. I just hope it won't appear when doing 1->A for example. My problem is not the slowness, it's if it over-appears. Even if it appears during 0.02 seconds it would still suck if you made a game and you saw an ugly pop up flicker in the screen all game long. :crazy:
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Munchor on December 07, 2010, 03:46:22 pm
Ashbad, have you sent it already? Please post the response here :D
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2010, 11:44:24 pm
I think he had troubles sending it. Is there an e-mail address somewhere so he doesn't have to use the e-mail form?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 08, 2010, 07:17:49 am
^ yeah I need that if someone can find it
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2010, 02:52:43 pm
Did you try in a different browser btw? Sometimes, some sites only works fine in IE. Also if you have IE8, try with both compatibility mode disabled and enabled, in case their site only works fine in IE7.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 08, 2010, 02:54:27 pm
Sometimes, some sites only works fine in IE.

Like MSN.com  :P
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2010, 02:55:49 pm
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if this was to encourage us to switch to IE. :P

Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 08, 2010, 02:57:16 pm
Since Microsoft owns the site, neither would I. It's still a pain that I'm penalized for using the superior Firefox over IE just because they refuse to hold to any known standards  <_<
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2010, 02:59:39 pm
Indeed. I really wish companies at least did an effort to make sure their sites work on all browsers, even if there are some minor display issues. I hate it when a site just won't function at all in my favorite browser and it forces me to use another. Generally I find an alternate site in that case.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Munchor on December 08, 2010, 03:01:15 pm
Indeed. I really wish companies at least did an effort to make sure their sites work on all browsers, even if there are some minor display issues. I hate it when a site just won't function at all in my favorite browser and it forces me to use another. Generally I find an alternate site in that case.

Or use stuff like Extensions: IE Tab or Firefox Tab or Chrome Tab. It opens a new tab using another browser in the same browser.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 08, 2010, 03:01:47 pm
The problem is that MSN holds my E-mail account and I get twenty or thirty e-mails a day from various people. It'd be very difficult for me to switch.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2010, 11:41:37 pm
What do you mean by holding your account? Couldn't you just create a Gmail then tell people about your new address?

I personally dislike stuff like MSN because generally their anti-spam is not good and they send spam themselves, which cannot be blocked, and with these companies, to get less spam you usually have to pay.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: willrandship on December 09, 2010, 12:15:20 am
Gmail can forward mail from your old account (and filter it for spam) as part of the signup process.

Here's my question: what does MS get from Internet explorer? They don't charge for it, why not simply give up the big struggle?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 09, 2010, 12:20:35 am
What do you mean by holding your account? Couldn't you just create a Gmail then tell people about your new address?

I personally dislike stuff like MSN because generally their anti-spam is not good and they send spam themselves, which cannot be blocked, and with these companies, to get less spam you usually have to pay.

Because it'd be a pain to hold two e-mails in the transition period. Most of them aren't in my contacts list for whatever reason, so I usually don't talk to them unless they send me something first.

And their anti-spam is horrible. It filter the most important stuff that I do want and not all of the junk that I don't. Don't even get me started on Bing either...

@Will, they get advertising, brand recognition, and bad press. Who wouldn't want those?
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2010, 01:06:50 am
Ah, right. Same here I guess on Gmail. I sometimes have to find an old e-mail from a person or check his forum profile to grab his e-mail. X.x I remember e-mailing someone from UTI once, I think, because I didn't know his e-mail anymore.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Downsider on December 09, 2010, 06:06:51 am
Aren't HP calcs pretty good for development too? My friend showed me them the other day; they seemed powerful, and had a C and ASM compiler and I saw some games online for it as well.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 09, 2010, 09:17:45 am
They're  supposedly decent, but everything must be done in Reverse Polish Notation.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: Ashbad on December 09, 2010, 09:20:52 am
RPN is very annoying, and they don't have as big of a community based around them.  Thought heir design looks cool and I hear the HPg-50 can program in Lua :)
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: AngelFish on December 09, 2010, 09:25:30 am
That said, some HP calculators are infinitely better at math than TI or Casios, but of course no one actually uses calculators for that.
Title: Re: My letter to casio -- read before I send!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2010, 09:38:06 am
I think the fact they have to be used in RPN and that they're not very user-friendly, even the on-calc language, is why they have such a small userbase and almost no community.