Post by: mmartin on April 30, 2006, 07:34:00 am
I've gotten some feature requests for advanced features and am considering to add a plugin system to basicbuilder in order to support them. For example I (or anyone else) might add a plugin that only extracts the main program and keeps the subprograms stored in flash. Whenever a subprogram is called, it is unpacked, executed and deleted. This means that only the programs that are actually running are in memory. For example program B and C might be 16kb (they don't fit together in memory) and program A is the main program (:prgmB:prgmC) What happens is that B is unpacked and run but it is deleted before C is unpacked and run. This means that there will be enough memory to execute C even if B and C don't fit together.
Another possibility would be to add features of XLib to basicbuilder. This would allow you to distribute your entire program as a single app that should work on any calculator. Or you could add a grayscale plugin.
Now my question is if there are enough people that would use the plugins? Also, please tell me any reason why you think this plugin system is useful to you. I will try to submit this as a google summer of code project and any reasons I can give in my application are handy.
Thanks,
Martin
Post by: necro on April 30, 2006, 07:37:00 am
Post by: Spellshaper on April 30, 2006, 07:48:00 am
2. I've looked into Basicbuilder before, and I think the addition of those plugins would raise popularity a lot! There are many games that have a size greater than the RAM allows and thus cannot be converted into an App via Basicbuilder :(
Of yourse, that's just theory, since I haven't finished my first project yet, but I may use a new build of Basicbuilder, it is easier for the occasional user to copy just one program to calc and just run it instead of following a 3/2 page installation readme. :)
Post by: elfprince13 on April 30, 2006, 07:54:00 am
Post by: kalan_vod on April 30, 2006, 09:47:00 am
Post by: elfprince13 on April 30, 2006, 10:24:00 am
Post by: necro on April 30, 2006, 01:14:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 30, 2006, 01:32:00 pm
Actually it would be cool if we didnt had to modify the basic program code at all to convert the games to BB. Plus maybe allow programs to be directly copied to archive memory, since some games use both memory. Just take a look at Reuben Quest or Reign of Legends 3 for example
Post by: mmartin on May 01, 2006, 02:01:00 am
At the moment basicbuilder can only be used to generate one page apps. But if there are enough people who want larger apps I will just add it in combination with the plugins.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 01, 2006, 02:53:00 am
| QUOTE (mmartin @ May 1 2006, 09:01 AM) |
| If you can just delete the programs when necessary and unpack them from the app when you need them, you wouldn't waste as much space. |
that would be cool as a feature I think. As for the picture recalling it would be cool if we didnt had to change this at all as well. Basically we would just need to include the programs, click and its done, no need to look at the basic code and change picture recalling stuff. I wanted to pack Illusiat 1,2,3,5,6 and 8 and mana force together once but I lost motivation because I had to change the way pictures are recalled, and in some games they are recalled over hundred of times >.<
However I dont think a BASIC Builder version of Reuben quest would be ever possible, due to the way the program is done. The whole game is 68 KB huge, without Omnicalc. Unless I don't know how to convert it but then you would have to show me by converting the whole game yourself :(
Post by: kalan_vod on May 01, 2006, 04:28:00 am
Post by: necro on May 02, 2006, 08:10:00 am
Post by: kalan_vod on May 02, 2006, 09:07:00 am
| QUOTE (necro @ May 2 2006, 02:10 PM) |
| didn't ruebon use a bunch of ram libraries to, though? If you removed those in place of xlib and auoto archive-to- ramining, how much memory would be used? |
He is talking about just adding it directly, not changing it to use xLIB.
Post by: necro on May 02, 2006, 04:09:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 03, 2006, 02:39:00 am
but there is still the problem that some programs are directly run from archives and installed here as well
Post by: necro on May 03, 2006, 10:20:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 03, 2006, 10:23:00 am
Post by: mmartin on May 30, 2006, 02:31:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 30, 2006, 02:43:00 am