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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Computer Projects and Ideas => Topic started by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:18:44 pm

Title: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:18:44 pm
I'm going to be making my own OS based off of the linux kernel. I want an OS customized to work best for me and I think it would also work well for others of the community when Its done. What software do you think should be included. I will gladly take community suggestions on how to make it but overall I do want it to be my OS.

I not sure of the name so for now its rulerOS.

My main priorities are:
That it is small and lightweight but still has very powerful tools
Have development tools as a focus but also have things for my other interests like music
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ZippyDee on May 22, 2011, 10:19:47 pm
How do you plan to make this OS? Seems like quite a bit of work...
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:21:25 pm
I was going to go off of the Linux from Scratch guide and add in customizations where I see that it is needed. I've been reading about this for a while and plan to start actual work on it this summer when I have my plan solidified
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Binder News on May 22, 2011, 10:25:21 pm
Cool.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ZippyDee on May 22, 2011, 10:26:23 pm
Sounds like a good way to do it. Well, best of luck with getting it all working!
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:27:29 pm
what desktop do You guys think I should use Gnome, KDE, or what?
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Binder News on May 22, 2011, 10:28:36 pm
KDE
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:31:27 pm
Could you tell me why that is better. Ineed to have a good idea of which is better not just which is more popular
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Deep Toaster on May 22, 2011, 10:33:50 pm
I voted Firefox, XChat, Wine, Gnome, TiLP, and Gimp, but if you're planning to make this distro for calc community members, remember there's already OmnimagaOS (http://ourl.ca/9832) :)
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 10:35:03 pm
I sa that but I want to make oone that has everything set up for calc development but also work for comp development and all the other things I do. It will have a development focus but as much on calcs
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: willrandship on May 22, 2011, 11:40:41 pm
But there's only so much you need for calc dev, right? I wouldn't mind using it myself. Could you try to build in MIDI support? It's sometimes a pain to install by hand.

Edit: Also don't forget a decent z80-Asm Compiler, and ndless! Also, a lightweight IDE that is pretty configurable is Geany, has command completion,  it's fast, GTK based I think, and has support for anything from Asm to Java and C#.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Juju on May 23, 2011, 12:27:08 am
OmnimagaOS is supposed to be optimized for calc development. And yeah, that would be pretty nice if you start from scratch.

Also you may want a more lightweight DE like LXDE, Gnome and KDE aren't the only choices.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 08:24:58 am
Gnome and KDE were the only ones I could think of off the top of my head. Could someone please explain to me what the differences between all of these is?
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 23, 2011, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: juju2143 on May 23, 2011, 12:27:08 am
OmnimagaOS is supposed to be optimized for calc development. And yeah, that would be pretty nice if you start from scratch.

Also you may want a more lightweight DE like LXDE, Gnome and KDE aren't the only choices.
Fluxbox is the most lightweight.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: aeTIos on May 23, 2011, 10:56:22 am
Chrome is not in the poll D;
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: SirCmpwn on May 23, 2011, 12:12:24 pm
Gnomegnomegnomegnome <_<
I refuse to use any desktop environment other than Gnome.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Broseph Radson on May 23, 2011, 12:14:37 pm
Hey KDE is still pretty cool....gnome just seems better for this situation :P
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 12:45:27 pm
Quote from: aeTIos on May 23, 2011, 10:56:22 am
Chrome is not in the poll D;
I prefer Firefox.
Quote from: BrownyTCat on May 23, 2011, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: juju2143 on May 23, 2011, 12:27:08 am
OmnimagaOS is supposed to be optimized for calc development. And yeah, that would be pretty nice if you start from scratch.

Also you may want a more lightweight DE like LXDE, Gnome and KDE aren't the only choices.
Fluxbox is the most lightweight.
Could you please explain what all of these are,, i wan to compare both size usage needs and features. I would prefer doing this from others experiences instead of the sites for these
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: SirCmpwn on May 23, 2011, 12:52:59 pm
Can I suggest also adding Wine+ZDS?
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 12:56:07 pm
I was going to include wine but what is ZDS?
I'm not sure if I'm going to include Mono or not
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Eeems on May 23, 2011, 03:37:55 pm
Quote from: yrinfish on May 23, 2011, 03:26:09 pm
Spoiler For FLAAAAAAMEEEEE:
I refuse to use GNOme. REALLY. Gnome: me no use. It is beautiful, but KDE is too and KDE has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more functions.KDEKDEKDEKDEKDE

KDE vs Gnome:
some quotes from Linus:
  • This 'users are idiots
  • If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it
  • Gnome is a disease
  • but you can't actually do what you WANT to do. And that's *bad*. That's *really* bad. It's actually much worse than being hard to use to begin with, in many ways.
  • Why the hell do you have to point to bogus programs that don't actually do what I want? I *know* what I want. I *know* gnome doesn't support it. How do I know? I've used it. I looked at the code. I talked to the original author of the code. The author, and the code, all agree: gnome doesn't do what I want."
  • It's a disease, I tell you. The apparent inability to accept the fact that we're not all a uniform gray paste.
  • AND THEN
  • Linus Torvalds has switched to GNOME

WAAAH, ok, gnome then
(fun, switched within ten minutes LOL LOL)



I vote for LXDE

LEMMEHELPPLEASE?

AAAH PLEASE?
Please try to keep your posts less spammy.
Thank you.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 23, 2011, 07:19:03 pm
Definately use fluxbox, or at least include it as an option, it's super lightweight. (WORTH THE WEIGHT)
GNOME is also good to include as a desktop option.
Also, how is this source organized, I need a "template" for a distro I've been trying to do. Perhaps we can just merge them or make them sister OSes?
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 09:59:34 pm
BrownyTCat I will not be able to start this to summer because of personal time restraints. i would be glad to work with you on y=this and any sister OS ideas.

EDIT: yrinfish I'm sorry but I had to rate you down for that post. please keep your posts to productive and helpful ideas.
How can I make the poll so that you can switch votes?
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 08:39:59 am
Sorry Eeems, but I really want to help, and the 'spam' (which I hid in a spoiler) was just to show how incredibly good Torvalds is at flaming.

And what about Xfce? It is light-weight, but still visually appealing.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 09:05:55 am
Again the only onme I really know about is Gnome all these others ones except  KDE are completely new to me. and I only barely know KDE. I want a good lightweight one, but I want to be bale to choose the best one also, so if someone could explain the advantages disadvantages of each it would be great. I haven't been able to find a good conmparison with google yet.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 10:07:15 am
Ok, this is a little bit confusing. I'll try to explain it:
Gnome is (like KDE) a DE, which means Desktop Environment.
Gnome's Window Manager is called Metacity, it's KDE counterpart is called Kwin.

A Window manager is the program that shows the taskbar (if it has it) and to quote Wikipedia:
Quote from: Wikipedia
A window manager is system software that controls the placement and appearance of windows within a windowing system in a graphical user interface.
It draws your window borders, the desktop and so on.

A DE is a window manager packaged with various programs that are made to work with it. For example KDE:

The heavier winmanagers are Kwin and Metacity, the lighter ones are fluxbox (a little bit ugly)
Openbox(less ugly and inside LXDE)
Xfwm(inside Xfce)

So for me, it is LXDE (Openbox) or Xfce(Xfwm)
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 11:59:44 am
Quote from: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 09:59:34 pm
BrownyTCat I will not be able to start this to summer because of personal time restraints. i would be glad to work with you on y=this and any sister OS ideas.

EDIT: yrinfish I'm sorry but I had to rate you down for that post. please keep your posts to productive and helpful ideas.
How can I make the poll so that you can switch votes?
I just got a skeleton and might be able to take control of the simple parts like skins and packages for the summer.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 01:10:37 pm
any help you can offer would be great.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: SirCmpwn on May 24, 2011, 01:11:44 pm
ZDS is the assembler/IDE that KnightOS is built off of.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 01:40:09 pm
/me needs to get a build host ready, and is going to include Fluxbox. >:D
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 02:34:31 pm
Er, wasn't this ruler's project?

and hint: (include an option for Openbox)
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 03:34:37 pm
Quote from: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 08:39:59 am
Sorry Eeems, but I really want to help, and the 'spam' (which I hid in a spoiler) was just to show how incredibly good Torvalds is at flaming.
The stuff outside was a little spammy too, which is the stuff I was mainly talking about.

Hmm, seems we have competition for making a distro :P I'm also working on a re-vamping of OmnimagaOS based off of Arch ( Juju is still probably working on his own as well )
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 04:33:56 pm
Quote from: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 03:34:37 pm
Quote from: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 08:39:59 am
Sorry Eeems, but I really want to help, and the 'spam' (which I hid in a spoiler) was just to show how incredibly good Torvalds is at flaming.
The stuff outside was a little spammy too, which is the stuff I was mainly talking about.

Hmm, seems we have competition for making a distro :P I'm also working on a re-vamping of OmnimagaOS based off of Arch ( Juju is still probably working on his own as well )
Anyone know how to build a distro? I need a good skeleton.
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 05:36:07 pm
Look up Linux from scratch that is a great site. That is how I'm figuring out how to do it.

I will try adding options into the install for what you want.(Fluxbox,open box; Firefox, Chrome; etc)
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 06:32:34 pm
Quote from: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 04:33:56 pm
Quote from: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 03:34:37 pm
Quote from: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 08:39:59 am
Sorry Eeems, but I really want to help, and the 'spam' (which I hid in a spoiler) was just to show how incredibly good Torvalds is at flaming.
The stuff outside was a little spammy too, which is the stuff I was mainly talking about.

Hmm, seems we have competition for making a distro :P I'm also working on a re-vamping of OmnimagaOS based off of Arch ( Juju is still probably working on his own as well )
Anyone know how to build a distro? I need a good skeleton.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bzrKRWI1anQJ:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D1304222+how+to+roll+your+own+distro+with+arch&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&source=www.google.co.in if you want just the basics :)
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 06:33:54 pm
Heres the book I use http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ thats the online version just go to http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ for all the other parts downloads and all of that
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 09:03:44 pm
Quote from: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 06:32:34 pm
Quote from: BrownyTCat on May 24, 2011, 04:33:56 pm
Quote from: Eeems on May 24, 2011, 03:34:37 pm
Quote from: yrinfish on May 24, 2011, 08:39:59 am
Sorry Eeems, but I really want to help, and the 'spam' (which I hid in a spoiler) was just to show how incredibly good Torvalds is at flaming.
The stuff outside was a little spammy too, which is the stuff I was mainly talking about.

Hmm, seems we have competition for making a distro :P I'm also working on a re-vamping of OmnimagaOS based off of Arch ( Juju is still probably working on his own as well )
Anyone know how to build a distro? I need a good skeleton.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bzrKRWI1anQJ:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D1304222+how+to+roll+your+own+distro+with+arch&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&source=www.google.co.in if you want just the basics :)
/me has to pull this off under Mint Isadora
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 09:23:11 pm
If you look at the site I linked to it shows you exactly how to make your own
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: yrinfish on May 25, 2011, 09:41:39 am
You are actually following that? Wow... Is it hard, I already know lfs, but it seemed too hard for me...
Title: Re: RulerOS
Post by: ruler501 on May 25, 2011, 05:40:56 pm
I've been reading it. I ahven't actually done anything yet because of restraints on my time. It sounds liek it will take some effort but end up being worth it