Omnimaga
General Discussion => Technology and Development => Computer Usage and Setup Help => Topic started by: Snake X on March 12, 2011, 01:37:03 pm
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Sometime during today, i wanted to register my motherboard. So after it was working perfectly, everthing normal I took out the motherboard (disconnected all the wires first, computer unplugged), took it out, looked at the serial number and registered it. So I put it back in, I booted it up, and it shut down after 7 seconds. I look at all my connections, I saw the 8 pin motherboard power unplugged. I plugged it back in, still shutting down. I Cleared the CMOS, I took it apart again, re-built it, I have checked ALL my connections, and I can't figure this out. HELP!!! :( :( :( :( ???
edit: also nothing shows up on the monitor during the short boot time
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I think you were loaded with static electricity, and that you actually have hit something vital, destroying it with the little electricity in your hand (sorry for being vague?)
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so your saying the motherboard might be damaged? I grounded myself when I did this also
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oh, then my scenario can't happen.
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then what could it be? I did however lean the motherboard on my shirt and rested it under my chin while i was looking at the serial number
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Hmm I hope this isn't due to incompatibility between some parts. X.x I know this happened when TsukasaZX built a computer and he never could figure out the problem. :/
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no it worked until this happened. I was even able to overclock it to some extent
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Last time I got my motherboard broken, I either paid 400€ for a new one or 400€ for a new computer so I took a new computer.
Can you boot the OS or force your computer to do it by pressing F2 on boot?
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Is not possible, because the computer worked good before he took the motherboard out.
I wonder what it could be ???
EDIT Ninja'D
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Do you have another computer around that you can try each part of the "broken" computer's parts in? If none of the other chips are broken, then it's either the processor or mobo...
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No, it wont accept input. Also when it shuts down it turns itself back on, then shuts down again :S
There is also a 2-3 sec delay between the computer power button and when it actually turns on
edit: no other parts.
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Hmm... Not many ways to find your problem, then...
Does your mobo have integrated video? If it does, switch over to that instead of any video card you are using and see if anything appears on the screen...
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no, its a P67 motherboard and it runs a GTX 460 hawk
edit: if this helps it doesnt even go through the bios or anything, the monitor LED stays orange (no signal)
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Have you checked to see if there are any shorts yet? Maybe a screw you forgot to put in correctly or a nut on the board... A quick way to check is to pick it up and gently twist it a bit; if you hear rattling, try to find the cause..
EDIT: Since it is booting then stopping, it could be a faulty power supply, though it would be really unlikely and that wouldn't explain why it isn't starting up the BIOS.
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no the PSU is DEFINITELY not faulty. There are no screws loose since i tried to take it back out and put it back in and screw it in again. They are all hand-tight
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That's about the end of my help then :( I have had similar things happen in the past and it was always either a faulty power supply or a short... Maybe someone else will see this thread and pop in. Sorry >__<
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Try this:
1. Plug out computer from ac outlet
2. Take out ram stick(s)
3. Wait a minute (to make sure all the ram is cleared)
4. If you have more than one stick of ram, put only one in the motherboard
5. Try booting
If this doesn't work, try disconnection all types of disk drives (hdd, cdrom, floppy).
See if your computer boots.
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^What he said, but do this with everything. Start with the mobo and psu, nothing else, then see if you can hear the "no ram" beep code. Then, add more stuff, one at a time, starting with ram, then the video card, and disk drives.
I also thought of another thing - check if the CPU fan is plugged in, the mobo may be detecting this and refusing to boot.
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what I did try is take EVERYTHING out and rebuilt it from top to bottom from the cpu up. I will however try what jimbauwens said now.. but how much would the geek squad repair my computer for you think?
EDIT EDIT EDIT:: II SAW SMOKE!!
EDIT: i think i know what it is. I used a magnetic screw driver on my motherboard and my dad said that this guy said DO NOT use one of those. my motherboard is fried. D':
case.. closed.
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Geek Squad always formats the hard drive, so make sure to replace it with a dummy 1
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I figured out the problem see the last post
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That would do it. :(
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magnet screwdriver....not likely
Probably just something broke, or a PSU surged, frying it. I've seen it before. Killed the hard drive, CPU and Mobo
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Its not like the magnetic screw theory isnt impossible, though.
And for the power surge thought, he did mention something about the power supply not being plugged in all the way or what-not from the start...
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well, magnets really only affect memory, not frying components. That would cause a BIOS error, not a fry. and those mag screwdrivers are incredibly weak magnets. But hey, it doesn't change the fact you need a new mobo :P
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I guess so... I have always stayed away from magnetic screws anyways...
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yeah well im just gonna rma my mobo, graphics card, and my cpu heatsink (those are the 3 things i know my screwdriver touched) D:
edit: i can only rma my motherboard.. I hope it works this time! :S
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It's probably a popped capacitor. If you known where the smoke came from you could try to see if you see something popped.
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no, the motherboard has Hi-C caps rated for 160,000 hrs. http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=2070 there is the product information page. 'Military class II components'. I saw the smoke come over the south bridge, but the graphics card was hanging over that area, so I don't know which one it was :(
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If the screwdriver was waved over a coil on the mobo, it could create an electric current. I dunno if it could get powerful enough to fry anything, though.
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You'd need a hella-powerful magnet to clear the cmos, it'd be more likely that you did some damage when you ran it without the 8-pin connector(possibly to the CPU itself).
A magnetic screwdriver isn't going to have the force to damage anything on the mobo, unless you're scratching stuff with it.
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Darn this sucks if something broke. I hope it'S not one of the very expensive part. :/
This is why I prefer to buy pre-build computers. I am afraid of screwing something up or buying incompatible parts.
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BAD NEWS!!!! This is DEFINITELY not just me. This is a problem with this motherboard. there are 3 topic made on msi's forum about this and about 4-5 reviews on this motherboard about this problem. I HOPE I dont have to go through another waiting period and I HOPE I dont have to go through another recall D:
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Aww, at least it's not just you and you can get a refund/replacement. :)
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You'd need a hella-powerful magnet to clear the cmos, it'd be more likely that you did some damage when you ran it without the 8-pin connector(possibly to the CPU itself).
A magnetic screwdriver isn't going to have the force to damage anything on the mobo, unless you're scratching stuff with it.
You can damage mobos by not plugging in the CPU power connector?
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X_X I hope it didn't damage my CPU!! That *would* be bad! I saw the smoke near the south bridge anyhow.. like right above it pretty much
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I suppose the cpu would draw power both through the 24 pin and th e8 pin connector. With only the 24 pin connector plugged in, you could have overloaded a component.
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Maybe, im posting about it on msi's official forums and there are about like 5 threads with this same problem except mine is an extreme case so ill see what they have to say about it.
edit: if you wanna see what they say, here's the thread link: http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=146729.msg1091850#msg1091850
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I am curious if it broke because you did something wrong or if it broke because it's defective, though. I'm not tech-savy, although if it's defective, I would search Google and read reviews or comments about your broken component before getting the same one again, to make sure it isn't a common problem with that one. If it's the case, you should probably find an alternative, although if it's you who did something wrong, I am unsure if getting a refund will be as easy.
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I've never had a good experience with home-built computers. Whenever I do extensive rebuilding of a computer, it always fries eventually. If the smoke comes out, face the truth: Your motherboard bought the farm. I'm really sorry.
When you go out to look for a replacement computer, buy a Dell. My family currently owns three Dells, and not one of them has had problems (other than being outdated). Even a used Dell is better than a home-built PC. You should be able to transfer your hard disks to your new system.
EDIT: I've noticed you've been posting a lot, momrocker. Why don't you create an account and join us?
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EDIT: I've noticed you've been posting a lot, momrocker. Why don't you create an account and join us?
We don't have guest posting. momrocker was here but was permbanned for trolling :/
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And for that one message he posted on that site.
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I've never had a good experience with home-built computers. Whenever I do extensive rebuilding of a computer, it always fries eventually. If the smoke comes out, face the truth: Your motherboard bought the farm. I'm really sorry.
When you go out to look for a replacement computer, buy a Dell. My family currently owns three Dells, and not one of them has had problems (other than being outdated). Even a used Dell is better than a home-built PC. You should be able to transfer your hard disks to your new system.
EDIT: I've noticed you've been posting a lot, momrocker. Why don't you create an account and join us?
Even dells fail, and when they do, tech support isn't always great. It was a major pita when I'm trying to get a replacement motherboard, and I'm talking to some Indian tech support guy who barely knows english. I heard of someone whose hard drive failed after three months. Then, Dell shipped him a refurbished replacement with the same problem that also failed in three months. This happened about three more times, after which I'm guessing he just went to best buy and got a hard drive there.
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I also often heard bad stories about Dell laptops. In the past, most of the time when someone on forums brought up a topic about how his laptop hard drive died. I'm not sure if this changed.
Personally I decided to stay away from building computers myself in case. I'm not tech-savy enough for that kind of stuff and even kllrnohj on Cemetech once recommended to not bother if you don't know what you're doing (and he knows his stuff).
EDIT: Nvm this was Foamy3, not Kllrnohj.