Post by: Halifax on April 24, 2007, 12:43:00 pm
My New Computer
Processor:
($239.99)AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773
I want to get this because basically this is a kickass processor at a lower price with a lot of cache and abilty to have a 8GB ram!! Also anything of Intel's that I checked that was under or equal to $239.99 were all very bad processors compared to this. Also this is a dual-core with two processors running at 3 GHz. Adds to the gaming capability.
Memory:
1 x ($239.99)pqi 2GB 24-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141141
I would get 1 of these for 4 GB of ram and it has a 5 CAS level. It is also dual channeled which my motherboard supports!
Motherboard:
($139.99)ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013
Well first off this supports SLI which means if I wanted to I could put 2 GeForce graphic cards in there and play SLI supported games twice as faster. Which is good once those type of games start running out. Its also a low price and supports the AM2. Overall this is just a great motherboard I think. Plus it includes 8 SATA ports which is great for memory and stuff.
Video Card:
($569.99)GIGABYTE GV-NX88X768H-RH-GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125049
This graphics card runs at a very fast 575 MHz with 128 stream processors with 768 MB of onboard memory and 384 bit structure. This video card looks great and seems like it could stand up to any game you through at it on max settings. I believe this would run Halo 3 fine when it comes out. Also I love GIGABYTE and this supports SLI so in case I ever want to upgrade that option is there.
Hard Drive:
2 x ($179.99)Seagate Barracuda ES ST3500630NS 500GB 7200 RPM 16 MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148151
This is a cheap 500GB Hard Drive made by a reliable manufacter, Seagate, and it has a 16 MB cache. Also it is compatible with the motherboard, SATA 3.0Gb/s, and I intend to put 2 of these in those 8 SATA slots :)
to get 1 Terabyte of memory.Storage Devices:
($25.99)LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA Combo Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106040
Basically its cheap and it is reliable so I will stick with it. It also does everything. Writes, reads, and plays DVDs and CDs.It also runs on SATA.
Sound Card:
($32.99)Creative SOund Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102012
It's a very good bargain and I think its all I really need. Nothing too flashy or anything like that. It's perfect.
Speakers:
($66.99)Creative Inspire P7800 90 Watts 7.1 Speaker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116153
Basically these speakers a 7.1 surround sound at a good price and I love sound so I want to immerse myself in my music or games with these speakers with Direct X 10 or OpenAL 2.0
Case:
($149.99)Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133154
This tower looks cool with a lot of bays, but I have one problem with it. This case only has 2 open USB 2.0 ports and my motherboard has 4. I couldn't find any case though that had 4 ports for the USB 2.0 so like wtf???
Power Supply:
($55.49)Thermaltake W0099RU ATX12V 250 Watts
It seems like a good deal and its SLI certified. If anyone has a better idea please tell me!!
Monitor:
($519.99)Acer Silever 24" 6ms GTG DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor with 1000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009089
A ligthing fast response time with a good recommended resolution of 1920 x 1200 and a 1000:1 contrast ratio. This will go perfect with my graphics card and looks like a great bargain since I love widescreen 24" monitors.
Mouse:
($61.99)Logitech Tone 6 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser G5 Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104037
It looks great and it has a lot of features that I think are valuable.
Keyboard:
($71.99)Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126179
This keyboard looks amazing and seems(from reviews) as that it proves good for gaming. The LCD looks awesome and this keyboard also looks great for 3D Modelling so its a definet.
Operating System:
($199.99)Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit DVD Single-Pack
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=604681&ps=sw11
I have a 64-bit(x64) processor with more than enough ram and more than enough Hard Drive space. So go for the Windows Vista that includes everything that all the other versions have. Why not? I am getting ready for the future.
So what's the total:
$2735.35
Basically I am only limited by how much I want to work this summer so I think I will be able to buy
this. If not I will have to do something drastic like(start betting on basketball games)!! Oh well either way I am definetly going to try to get this computer.
I am still a little diseased about the case. Does anyone know where I could get a case with 4 open USB 2.0 ports and stuff that match my motherboard. Thanks. And please any comments are welcome on this!
Post by: Liazon on April 25, 2007, 10:53:00 am
It needs at least 2 3.5" internal drive bay for your harddrives and at least 1 5" external drive bay for your DVD-burner. plenty of expansion slots in the back are good.
Also, you've got the wrong kind of RAM for your board. Your board takes DDR 800, really expensive stuff.
The case you chose is fine, just really big. duno if you're ever going to need all the slots, and I've heard from some people that too much space makes it hard to connect all the wires nicely. I've heard antec is nice, but I guess it's all preference. As for the 4 USB, are you sure they aren't the ones that go on the back?
That power supply is WEAK!!! I've never seen the specs on an 8800GTX, but I'm pretty sure it has some of the highest power requirements on the market. An average card may draw about 300W (including all the other stuff). I wouldn't be surprised if that card sucked out 450W. Keep in mind that power supplies can only generate about 70% of what it says on the label, but most gfx card companies already take into that into account, as well as the power requirements of processor, RAM, everything else, before they suggest a minimum power supply. You may also want modular cabling on your power supply so you don't have unnecessary wires hanging around.
lastly, although i've never tried it myself, i've heard of people stably overclocking 2.4 Ghz Core Duo to 3.8Ghz w/o extra cooling. Of course, that also depends on the board, since the board has the OC options.
that's about all i have to say for now.
edit: correct me if i've said anything incorrect.
Post by: Halifax on April 25, 2007, 11:06:00 am
Ok I will get this ram:
($299.99) OCZ Vista Upgrade 4GB(2 x 2GB) 24-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Chennel Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227195
Post by: graywolf on April 25, 2007, 11:13:00 am
) and I recommend sticking with AMD. You've got an awesome graphics card there (trust me, this comes from personal experience). I doubt you will find four USB ports up front, so you'll probably have to use the ones in the back. Yes, upgrade your power supply! Finally, I'm not sure if you really need Vista Ultimate (Premium should be good enough), but it's up to you.Other than that, it looks like you have a solid system.
Post by: Halifax on April 25, 2007, 11:20:00 am
And here is my new power supply:
($84.99) HIPER HPU-4K53-MS ATX12V v2.2 530W Power Supply 100 - 120V UL, CE, TUV, FCC, CB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128006
And thanks graywolf that means a lot coming from you since your like a computer expert.
Well here it goes. I will update you guys with pictures as I buy these parts and assemble the computer. Then when I am done I will buy some games and throw them in there and take some pics of that too. If Halo 3 is out by the time I finish this then you can expect to see some pics of that :)
Thanks for your help too. I thought my first experience would be pretty horrid with everything mismatched and stuff but it turned out good. It only took me 2 hours to assemble this list of parts with newegg. I love how they have those narrow down features. That definetly helped.
Post by: graywolf on April 25, 2007, 12:37:00 pm
Post by: spengo on April 25, 2007, 01:06:00 pm
I prefer Core 2 Duos over Athlon x2s, but whatever.EDIT: I just realized, there is no nForce 6-series for AMD cpus! :o
Odd
Post by: Halifax on April 25, 2007, 02:36:00 pm
This is why I don't want to get an Intel that's in the AMD price range:
Intel Pentium D 950 Presler 3.4GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116240
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
The AMD processor I am currently getting is the best AMD processor there is(by my research). Now let's see how much the best Intel processor costs.
($970.00)Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115011
This has no hyperthreading and less L1 cache shared over four seperate processors :(
. Then look at the price tag. The L1 cache doesn't even match how much the AMD has. Plus I just think Intel is better suited for the mobile business and AMD is better suited for the desktops. Also if AMD came out with a quad core I am sure it would pwn that quad core and cost much less.
Post by: spengo on April 25, 2007, 03:13:00 pm
AMD says they are going to pwn again with quad-cores, but they phailed as far as dual-cores go. Maybe they got overconfident after the athlon 64's beat down the p4's so bad. EDIT: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/index.html the tom's hardware review if you're interested. All other benchmarking places seem to get the same results. You shouldn't judge processors to be "equivalent" based on their clock speed. Core 2 Duo architecture is vastly superior to the athlon x2s. (well, it did come out a lot later after all)
EDIT2: also, you might want to check out DVD+/-RW drives 'cause being able to write to dvds always comes in handy. Also, just a preferential thing, I like cases with 120mm and 180mm fans, they are quieter than cases with 80 and 90mm fans.
Post by: Jon on April 25, 2007, 03:57:00 pm
Post by: spengo on April 25, 2007, 04:19:00 pm
EDIT: are you running Vista? If so, I believe that would be your problem Darwinia, though much more advanced than roller coaster, is still not a very demanding game, and it is made of major lag hacks in Vista. I think they recently made a Vista version that works better though.
Post by: Jon on April 25, 2007, 05:05:00 pm
EDIT: Well, I'm comparing it to an earlier computer I had, which ran on an AMD, was cheaper, but still ran much faster. I wish I still had that lappy :'( the cat sat on it and broke the fan. Then, unwittingly, I used it without the fan, and it was fried within a week.
Post by: spengo on April 25, 2007, 06:13:00 pm
Google around for people that are having the same problem. Someone's got to have posted it in some obscure message board somewhere I expect. :lol:
Post by: Jon on April 25, 2007, 06:59:00 pm
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 05:53:00 am
It ain't the cpu though 'cause everyone else I know with core 2's go lightnin' fast. Much faster than my weaksauce 2GHz pentium M (which isn't half bad either).
Post by: Halifax on April 26, 2007, 08:56:00 am
Let's just admit it AMD pwn Intel with desktops.
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 10:29:00 am
Core 2 Duo E6320 has 4MB L2 cache while a Athlon x2 5400+ only has 2*512kB. E6320 costs $173 and 5400+ costs $175, so they cost the same. Also, it is my understanding that with the core 2's superior power and heat levels, you can do more overclocking. Just because AMD raped intel with athlon 64 vs. pentium 4 doesn't mean that they always will. ;)
Still, I bet their quad-cores will be quite uber when they come out.
Post by: Halifax on April 26, 2007, 10:38:00 am
Post by: Liazon on April 26, 2007, 10:40:00 am
besides, just get what you want when you can at the price you want. As long as you're happy w/ the comp you've made.
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 10:53:00 am
Anyways, it's going to be an pwnage computer no matter what cpu you choose there. One last thing to say about the core 2's - 65 nanometer process FTW. :lol:If you don't overclock, I bet I can beat you with my E6320 @2.6GHz! >8D We'll have to do a superpi race or something.
EDIT: maybe I should upgrade to E6600, it's a lot more $$$, but a 2.4GHz factory clock speed could give me a nice boost. I'll have to look into how they compare in terms of overclocking. How fast can I make it go!? %)
Post by: graywolf on April 26, 2007, 11:15:00 am
As for DVD stuff, get any drive you want, but know that Blu-ray or HD will eventually replace what you use in the near future when the prices go down.
I don't personally prefer overclocking due to heating problems, and other related issues. However, it's up to you and I know the temptations. ;)
Post by: Halifax on April 26, 2007, 11:18:00 am
EDIT: Oh yeah and would someone be willing to help me choose and setup a wireless card when I am ready to do it??
Post by: graywolf on April 26, 2007, 11:25:00 am
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 11:32:00 am
also, check this out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
That ain't a half bad price there, I think I'm upgrading what I said before to 8800GTS. :love:
EDIT: oh yeah I should say... half life 2 runs maxed on my pentium M 2.0GHz, 1GB ram, radeon x700 so I don't think you'll have any trouble there LOL.
Post by: graywolf on April 26, 2007, 12:04:00 pm
| QUOTE |
| Still, I bet their quad-cores will be quite uber when they come out. |
Umm.... SUN already has, "the UltraSPARC T1 processor gives you up to eight processing cores with four threads per core. It's like a rack of servers on one chip. With up to 32 simultaneous threads in one incredibly low-power, low-heat processor, you gain the high-volume throughput you need, while saving millions on power and cooling costs."
Just some more information about the processor:
* UltraSPARC Architecture 2005 (SPARC V9 compliant)
* On-chip level 2 cache
* Public key encryption support (RSA)
* 48-bit virtual, 4-bit physical address space
* Support for four page sizes: 8K, 64K, 4M, 256M
* Support for Hypervisor
* 4, 6, or 8 core versions
* 16 KB primary instruction cache per core
- Parity protected and single-bit error recoverable
- 4-way set-associative
* 8 KB primary data cache per core
- Parity protected and single-bit error recoverable
- 4-way set-associative
* 3 MB unifed level 2 cache
- 12-way set associative, 4 banks
- ECC
* .09 micron, 9-layer Cu metal, CMOS process
* 1.0 GHz and 1.2 GHz frequency
* 72 watt typical, 79 watt peak power consumption
But I would still like to see AMD and Intel ones.
Post by: Halifax on April 26, 2007, 12:47:00 pm
575 Mhz Core > 500 Mhz Core
128 stream processors > 96 stream processors
1800 Mhz Memory > 1600 Mhz Memory
768 MB Memory > 320 MB Memory
384 bit > 320 bit
So I think the raise in price is definetly worth it just to go with the GTX.
But I will definetly get that wireless card because it looks great.
Post by: graywolf on April 26, 2007, 12:49:00 pm
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 12:53:00 pm
| QUOTE (graywolf @ 26 Apr, 2007, 23:04) | ||
Umm.... SUN already has, "the UltraSPARC T1 processor gives you up to eight processing cores with four threads per core. It's like a rack of servers on one chip. With up to 32 simultaneous threads in one incredibly low-power, low-heat processor, you gain the high-volume throughput you need, while saving millions on power and cooling costs." Just some more information about the processor: * UltraSPARC Architecture 2005 (SPARC V9 compliant) * On-chip level 2 cache * Public key encryption support (RSA) * 48-bit virtual, 4-bit physical address space * Support for four page sizes: 8K, 64K, 4M, 256M * Support for Hypervisor * 4, 6, or 8 core versions * 16 KB primary instruction cache per core - Parity protected and single-bit error recoverable - 4-way set-associative * 8 KB primary data cache per core - Parity protected and single-bit error recoverable - 4-way set-associative * 3 MB unifed level 2 cache - 12-way set associative, 4 banks - ECC * .09 micron, 9-layer Cu metal, CMOS process * 1.0 GHz and 1.2 GHz frequency * 72 watt typical, 79 watt peak power consumption But I would still like to see AMD and Intel ones. |
I thought you meant AMD. Intel already has their quad-cores out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
Also, though GTX is definitely a better, it's also way out of my price range. That EVGA one I posted is like, an actually reasonable price!
EDIT: here's me plans updated. Found a ridiculously awesome case too. Better than the one I had before and the one you have there. (imho) I think front doors look laaame.
EDIT2: hey, I noticed you selected G5 mouse, why not go the extra $6 and get the wireless G7?
Post by: graywolf on April 26, 2007, 01:30:00 pm
| QUOTE |
| I thought you meant AMD. |
Whoops! Yes I did.
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| QUOTE |
| Found a ridiculously awesome case too. |
I love Antec cases. %)
The alien ones are also pretty cool, but it's really an aesthetic thing to me so it's not super important. Post by: Halifax on April 26, 2007, 01:53:00 pm
so I have to get to work.Also d*** the Blu-ray readers and burners are like $600. I think I will hold off on those until they are a definetly a neccesity.
Post by: spengo on April 26, 2007, 02:19:00 pm
EDIT: you know that the power supply you have on the first page is GPU-only right? :o
Do you already have a normal PSU for the mobo and rest of the stuff?
Post by: Halifax on April 27, 2007, 08:39:00 am
Here it is:
-ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nFroce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD
-AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3 GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
-OCZ Vista Upgrade 4GB(2 x 2GB) 24-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800(PC2 6400) Dual Channel
-GIGABYTE GV-NX88X768H-RH-GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
-2 x Seagate Barracuda ES ST3500630NS 500GB 7200 RPM 16 MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
-LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA
-Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface
-Creative Inspire P7800 90 Watts 7.1 Speaker
-Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower
-HIPER HPU-4S58-MS ATX12V v2.2 580W 100 - 120V
-Acer Silver 24" 6ms GTG DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor with 1000:1
-Logitech G7 Black 6 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB RF Wireless Laser Mouse
-Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
-Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit DVD Single-Pack
Post by: spengo on April 27, 2007, 09:40:00 am
It looks super-nice though, maybe I should go with that one if I have extra $$$. Very cool. Right now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028 looks okay (and cheaper) for me.
Post by: Halifax on April 27, 2007, 10:17:00 am
Post by: graywolf on April 27, 2007, 11:16:00 am
| QUOTE |
| LOL @ that PSU, it has it's own carrying box WTF. |
Lol, yeah. I tried to suggest something that was similar to his and about the same price. :)
Post by: spengo on April 27, 2007, 08:41:00 pm
niiiiiiiiice, a cheaper version of the nforce 680i! evga I love you. <3
Post by: spengo on April 30, 2007, 09:54:00 pm
Oh yeah, and did I mention already? 65nm process ftw!
Since you are also spending money on fancy ram and mobo I assume you will be doing some overclocking as well? We must do a super-pi race after we both build these. :D
RAWR
Post by: Halifax on May 01, 2007, 09:08:00 am
| QUOTE (Halifax @ 26 Apr, 2007, 17:18) |
| If I cannot run Half-Life 2 or Halo 3 maxed out then I will overclock otherwise I will be happy with what I have built. And yes I was considering getting a blu-ray reader. I may get one in the future too when the funds are available. EDIT: Oh yeah and would someone be willing to help me choose and setup a wireless card when I am ready to do it?? |
I will only overclock if needed. Otherwise I am keeping it stock because there is no sense.
Post by: Halifax on May 10, 2007, 11:30:00 am
My processor went down $10
They don't carry my graphics card anymore
They don't carry the PSU anymore either :(
(anymore recommendations graywolf)My harddrives went down $20 so that saves me $40
My speakers went up $10
The monitor went down $20
My ram went down $35
Oh well my overall savings are:
$95 which is a d*** good save just for not buying anything hehe
Post by: graywolf on May 11, 2007, 11:35:00 am
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128003
But here are some more:
HIPER HPU-4R58-MS ATX12V v2.2 580W Power Supply 100 - 120V UL, CE, TUV - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128004
Some people say that it doesn't deliver all of its power... :/
RAIDMAX RX-630A ATX12V / EPS12V 630W Power Supply 115/230 V CB, IEC, TUV, UL, CSA - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152026
APEVIA ICEBERG ATX-IB680W-BL ATX12V / EPS12V 680W Power Supply With 3-Color LED Lights 115/230 V CB IEC 950, TUV EN 60950, UL 1950, CSA 950 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148028
PowerTek 750W F5-Series ATX12V 750W Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817713002
You can also check out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133194
BFG (like mine :)
) and PNY sell your card, but if you want GIGABYTE you will have to wait.
Post by: spengo on May 11, 2007, 07:08:00 pm
Post by: Halifax on May 12, 2007, 02:39:00 am
Post by: graywolf on May 12, 2007, 10:04:00 am
Post by: spengo on May 12, 2007, 12:05:00 pm
Post by: graywolf on May 13, 2007, 06:00:00 am