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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2007, 11:15:00 pm »
Yes, everything is compatible. You seem to have a pretty good setup with that. I really hope this doesn't end in another "OMG AMD SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD GET CORE DUO!" flame war, though. Any time I've seen ANYone mention getting a new processor, the Intel fanboys come in at full force. :Ptongue.gif

My only recommendation would be to stay away from Vista. You're going to have too many software / hardware issues to do any kind of gaming. Stick with Windows XP for compatibility. Trust me, you will regret moving up to Vista.

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 02:50:00 am »
I concur. I bought a similar setup just last month, and the Vista didn't fare well with most of the programs I needed to run (that all run fine on XP). I'm sticking with XP until Vista SP 2 comes out (in a year or two)...

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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 04:28:00 am »
Also Vista requires much more ressources. Trust me, it is slow as hell compared to XP. My mom's laptop have a 2x better video card, almost 2x faster processor and DDR2 RAM and it takes longer to boot Vista as it takes on my current PC to boot XP. IMagine if I had Vista on this PC now. For Vista I would wait another 3 years. By then most programs that are still updated will have been made so they run on Vista and computer set-ups too
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 05:40:00 am »
It seems like software developers are relying on fast processors to run their bloated code nowadays. Instead of paying attention to system resources, developers just compile everything together and hope that the speed of todays computers and the tons of memory available will allow their software to work.

Another reason for such bloated code is due to the market out there. Most people will purchase a "pretty" looking program over a more functional program because it has more eye candy. This combined with the short developing time (due to competition) is driving the software market.

It's a careful balance between aesthetics and quality.

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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 06:56:00 am »
I agree with what everyone else said about your OS choice. I have Vista on the new PC my dad bought for the family and it is much slower than my older PC that has XP. XP is definitley more efficent for gaming. ^_^ Nice specs BTW.
*EDIT* So yea, stay away from Vista... It is a foul hungry beast that thrives on devouring system resources, and souls :Ptongue.gif

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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2007, 07:51:00 am »
in this box, I have:
Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86GHz
2GB DDR2 RAM
nVidia 7900GS 256MB OCed to 600MHz
nVidia nForce 650i motherboard
1.5TB of Disk(ok, ok, I only have enough ports to have 1TB online...)

This computer is perfectly able to handle Vista, everything is compatable, etc...

In this one, I have a Vista/XP Dualboot, but as everyone is saying, there are driver incompatabilities with Vista, and some software incompatabilities with older programs. For what I do, though, I find Vista to be perfectly suited to what I want. I like the eye candy too. ^.^

Also, if you need help assembling the computer, get on IRC. I and some other people can help you assemble it.

And at the Vista long load times, yes, XP on my 1.2GHz 512MB Laptop loads faster than Vista, but programs inside of my Vista PC load faster. It is really just the inital loading time.
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 07:56:00 am »
although i do think Core 2Duo would be better, your setup should be fine for what you want. and also, vista sucks,use sp2 if you do get vista and it doesnt work, i would say vista is the problem

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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 09:45:00 am »
Oh, I just noticed you went with a Radeon card. While I really like Radeon, I think nVidia tends to have better gaming compatibility. Most of the video-related tech issues I've seen were with Radeon cards. But personally, I use Radeon. Then again, I have no desire to try to run games like Oblivion...

I would at least get a second opinion on what I just said, though. I'm not entirely savvy with video cards.

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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 01:17:00 pm »
go for an nvidia 7900 gs or gx. It'll be better, I promise.

Edit: That motherboard has an integrated nvidia 6100, not sure if it'll be good for gaming, but it can't suck. Second Opinion?
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 02:50:00 am »
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QUOTE (Netham45 @ 27 Dec, 2007, 1:17)
go for an nvidia 7900 gs or gx. It'll be better, I promise.

Edit: That motherboard has an integrated nvidia 6100, not sure if it'll be good for gaming, but it can't suck. Second Opinion?

6100? pure trash if you ask me ^^ It basically has all the possibilities of the 6xxx series, but lacks the raw power to get acceptable frame rates.

It's good for use with a second monitor, though ;)wink.gif

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Oh, I just noticed you went with a Radeon card. While I really like Radeon, I think nVidia tends to have better gaming compatibility. Most of the video-related tech issues I've seen were with Radeon cards. But personally, I use Radeon. Then again, I have no desire to try to run games like Oblivion...

That's because Nvidia bribes them to optimise for Geforce cards... Ever noticed all those Nvidia logos in game intros and loading screens? eww.
I got a Radeon 9800, works like a charm with Oblivion, even on high settings, no bugs :)smile.gif

I personally think that the HD 2900 Pro is a good one to include in a ~ $650 system. Go for it.

I would maybe change that 250GB HD for 2x 120Gb (or 250Gb) in a raid system. Less loading time for everything!

Vista? Hands off! :alien:alien2.gif Still too buggy for my taste. I'll change to Vista in 2-3 years at the earliest. And all that flashy eye candy makes the interface unclear and confusing, plus it soaks up a lot of resources. XP pro Sp2 (Sp3 is on the way!) is faster and more secure. Plus MS support for XP has been extended until 2014!

Just my 2 cents...

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2007, 05:16:00 am »
well, on my laptop I have XP SP3, and on my desktop I have Vista. My laptop has a Radeon Mobility, and my desktop has a 7900 GS. On my laptop I notice games randomally quitting(sp3?), on my desktop, the only thing I really notice is long boot times(sometmes upwards 5 minutes) but I have a pretty good desktop.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 05:24:00 am »
Probably the service pack. Anything post SP1 seems to cause problems. I never found a way to get Alcohol installed on an SP2 system because of the dreaded "Blue Screen of Death."

When I said stick with XP, I specifically meant SP1. I probably should have elaborated on that.

Personally, *I* would use 2000. I doubt many people are willing to go that far back, but it's the best way to avoid your OS being a complete resource hog. I just want a system that gets the job done. It doesn't have to look like a paragon of aesthetic perfection in the process. ;)wink.gif

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 06:13:00 am »
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well, on my laptop I have XP SP3, and on my desktop I have Vista. My laptop has a Radeon Mobility, and my desktop has a 7900 GS. On my laptop I notice games randomally quitting(sp3?), on my desktop, the only thing I really notice is long boot times(sometmes upwards 5 minutes) but I have a pretty good desktop.  

 Well you got to compare Vista and XP performance on equivalent systems, preferably on the same machine with dualboot.

Even on the newer "made for Vista" systems, XP still outranks Vista in terms of application and gaming performance.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2007, 06:15:00 am »
funny thing is, my bro got Morrowind, and it's pretty addicting, so no need to upgrade atm ^^

i'll take the advice into consideration for future reference so thanks everyone.

edit:
generally speaking though, if you buy a comp from a store (like a Dell, HP, etc comp) do they come w/ weak power supplies?  Like my current comp is an hp w/ 250W max PSU.  not many good options for upgrade since my integrated was pretty sick.

like, if I want a game machine, I should build myself and get a massive PSU?