Omnimaga
General Discussion => Technology and Development => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ZippyDee on May 04, 2011, 04:05:25 am
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I was watching my dad play Ocarina of Time again, and it occurred to me.....there's nothing to tell you that you need to go find the Ocarina in Dampé's grave in order to get into the Forest Temple. You just have to know that that's what you need.
I am aware that if you enter Dampé's house as a kid and read his diary he mentions "something that grows and shrinks," obviously referencing the hookshot that you get from his grave later on, but there's no way to know (unless you've already played the game) that the item that "grows and shrinks" also allows you to pull yourself up to unreachable places.
Is there any real clue that tells you that the next thing you need to get is the hookshot? If there is something, please let me know!
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I don't remember, but I'm sure there had to be something. I don't remember having any trouble finding it or getting stuck by not being able to enter the forest temple.
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Navi will probably whine about it 24/7 until you get it.
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I do remember that the original Zelda game intentionally lacked hints in order to facilitate discussion - for example, you start the game without the sword and there are no clues as to where it is. The idea was that one person would find out how to do it and then tell his comrades* how, who would progress with him at their own homes. I don't remember any specific clues about the Hookshot in Ocarina of Time, so this might be a vestige of the discussion idea.
*I'm not Communist, btw. I just like to say comrade.
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I seem to remember that Sheik meets you in the Master Sword room and tells you that there is something you need in Kakariko Village.
Btw, random glitch screenshot I made of Majora's Mask a while back (somewhat related :P)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/calc84maniac/hookshot.png)
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Yeah, I guess you're right that they intentionally withheld information about the whereabouts of items, but for the sword you know it HAS to be somewhere within the small area of the forest, leaving you only a few places to look. By the time you need the Hookshot, you have much of the world map to explore, making it much less obvious. Even though Sheik directs you to Kakariko village, I feel like the addition of Dampé's grave is an incredibly subtle change, and in no way obvious that it is your next destination...
However, I also recall having no trouble getting the hookshot or getting into the Forests Temple the first time I played it either when I was 6, so it must be fairly obvious...I dunno.
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Yeah, I guess you're right that they intentionally withheld information about the whereabouts of items, but for the sword you know it HAS to be somewhere within the small area of the forest, leaving you only a few places to look.
I think he was talking about the first Zelda game. In it, the sword is in a cave that can be accessed from the first screen you come to, but you can choose to ignore the cave and continue without a sword.
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Oh indeed he did say "the original Zelda game." I must have missed that. But even in that one, the cave is not hard to find, and it's fairly obvious what to do once you find it. That's simply not the case with the hookshot as far as I can tell...
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I think what they might have also tried to get you to do was Read the Freakin' Manual. Ocarina of Time's instruction manual discusses some of the most important items in the game, including the Hookshot. It tells you that you can reach unreachable locations with it, and that it shrinks and stretches. That, combined with your knowledge that Dampe has the "stretching, shrinking keepsake", will let you know where to find the Hookshot.
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but you can only know that Dampe has the "stretching, shrinking keepsake" if you go to the graveyard as a kid when Dampe is outside, which is a fairly small block of time. And, it's in no way obvious to do so...