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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Hayleia on November 24, 2013, 04:40:53 am

Title: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 24, 2013, 04:40:53 am
The title is explanatory.
I saw what a DS can do, and noticed I was able to count the pixels and the polygons, in other words the graphics were awful. However, most games seemed to have an interesting gameplay.
Hence the question : does the 3DS improves the graphical experience without lowering the gameplay experience ?

(note, I don't care about 3D, if I had a 3DS I'd always turn 3D off)
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 24, 2013, 05:00:32 am
If you mean enhancing regular DS games then it wont but the 3DS is a lot better at graphics for its own games.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 24, 2013, 05:12:32 am
Honnestly, no. Unless you like Pokemon, you won't find many games that worth it.

Wait there is the next Smash Bros on it. :D
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 24, 2013, 05:22:39 am
If you mean enhancing regular DS games then it wont but the 3DS is a lot better at graphics for its own games.
Yeah, I meant for its own games.

Honnestly, no. Unless you like Pokemon, you won't find many games that worth it.

Wait there is the next Smash Bros on it. :D
Well I like Pokemon lol. But my question was more about graphics.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 24, 2013, 05:25:38 am
You get a PSP quality more or less. Not much more. Nintendo never shined for their graphic power.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 24, 2013, 06:48:08 am
You get a PSP quality more or less. Not much more. Nintendo never shined for their graphic power.
Well it's not that bad already. I asked my parents for a DS when it was out and they said no and bought me a PSP I never wanted instead, so maybe the 3DS will be ok, idk.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 24, 2013, 06:51:44 am
Nintendo are not known for epic graphics because they focus more on innovative features (the console being pocket sized, dual screens, touch screen, 3D, etc.) than a rush for performance. And their graphics feel really good with the games that are made for it. ;) Same goes for home consoles.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Keoni29 on November 24, 2013, 08:54:57 am
If you like nintendo games:get a 3ds. If you like playstation and android games: get a psVita. If you like xbox games: you're basically fucked.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 24, 2013, 09:03:59 am
Nintendo are not known for epic graphics because they focus more on innovative features (the console being pocket sized, dual screens, touch screen, 3D, etc.) than a rush for performance. And their graphics feel really good with the games that are made for it. ;) Same goes for home consoles.

That's right, until past months. They have paid DLC for NSMB 2 !? Oo" Do you imagine a Mario game with paid content? And that's not even for a 2nd playthrough or a new adventure, it's just a bonus for the rush mode they added...

Plus the innovation goes too far, or not far enough, I don't know, but I don't feel the Nintendo Touch anymore I could feel on a SNES game. I almost had it with NSMB Wii or NSMB2 buuut the latter had the same musics/plot advancement than the former, I think I just played a recycled NSMB+NSMBWii with a Tanooki Mario... I'm clearly disappointed by the new philosophy of Nintendo, but I'm still hoping for a good turn for the next games/generations.

Anyway, some games you should have is Mario KArt, Zelda3D, Star Fox (hint : set your console in English to hear the memetic "Do a barrel roll", they translated it), Petit Computer and, why not, a Mario Game.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: LDStudios on November 24, 2013, 09:13:33 am
Personally, I prefer GBC graphics    :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 24, 2013, 09:14:25 am
Personally, I prefer GBC graphics    :P

Yay! Zelda Oracle of Ages/Seasons FTW.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: LDStudios on November 24, 2013, 09:15:14 am
Yup GBC Zeldas are the best graphics ever
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 24, 2013, 09:15:58 am
Yeah, and to quit the offtopic, they rereleased them on the Virtual Console section for the 3DS. YOu should totally get them.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 24, 2013, 01:57:29 pm
If you like nintendo games:get a 3ds.
Well, I like Pokemon :P

If you like playstation and android games: get a psVita.
I like Android games (I mean Nova 3, not Angry Birds) but I have a Note 3 for that :P

If you like xbox games: you're basically fucked.
Lol :P
Also I have a PC.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 24, 2013, 02:33:43 pm
If you like playstation and android games: get a psVita.
I like Android games (I mean Nova 3, not Angry Birds) but I have a Note 3 for that :P
Lol, so you finally got a decent Android device./me runs
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Keoni29 on November 24, 2013, 03:19:27 pm
Pokemon X and Y are supposedly really good! Mario kart is also cool!
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: tr1p1ea on November 24, 2013, 06:04:24 pm
IMO Yes it is worth it, there are some sweet games on the platform!
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on November 25, 2013, 01:05:51 pm
I've been quite enjoying mine. To give you an idea of graphics, they Re-released "The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time" on the 3DS. The graphics look smoother and better than the original that was on the Nintendo 64. I've also quite been enjoying Pokemon X. Pokemon Black and White were 3D, and pushed the original DS hardware. These new games are leaps and bounds better though. I also just got the new Legend of Zelda title. I haven't put much time into it yet, but it seems quite nice so far. I definitely recommend it. :)
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 25, 2013, 01:18:49 pm
Good to hear then since I wanted one too. Now is the XL really worth the major price bump ?
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 25, 2013, 01:56:01 pm
Ah not elsewhere than America, AC/DC supplier isn't supplied with the XL...
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on November 25, 2013, 02:05:31 pm
Good question actually. When I got my Zelda game, I upgraded to the XL. It isn't really necessary, but;

1.)The design of the original leaves minor imprints on the screen when closing it. This is caused by the raised plastic around the lower screen touching the upper screen. I'm unsure if Nintendo ever addressed this.

2.)The screen size difference really is huge. The XL also might not fit as well into pockets...

3.)There is a 3DS XL Bundle on sale now that is $219 with the new Zelda game (which sells for $40 alone as a digital download).

*Edit*@Eiyeron: They don't include an AC/DC charger worldwide? That's really strange... Just FYI, the original 3DS charger (or a DSI charger) works with the 3DS XL. At least for the US versions of the product.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 25, 2013, 02:09:57 pm
2.)The screen size difference really is huge. The XL also might not fit as well into pockets...
All my calcs fit in my pockets so it's no issue for me. :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 25, 2013, 02:11:24 pm
Ok, thanks everyone for the opinions :)

(also lol, that price (http://jeux-video.fnac.com/mp17037666/Zelda-no-Densetsu-Toki-no-Ocarina-3D-IMPORT-JAPONAIS?ectrans=1&mckv=lgm6EyfW_dc&oref=82e5f7c6-2590-ea5a-7ec7-aa0bcd2b5771&Origin=CMP_GOOGLE_MP_LOGJV&pcrid=23954015423))
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 25, 2013, 02:12:45 pm
LOL. This is pretty crazy too : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/NINTENDO-3DS-CONSOLE-ZELDA-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-LIMITED-EDITION-NEW-SEALED-/370947603422?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles&hash=item565e333bde
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 25, 2013, 07:19:24 pm
I like the 3DS personally. Lots of the Mario games are worth it, as well as the RPGs. I'm not fond of 3D, though, so I wish that they made a 2DS earlier (one that you can fold, though).
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 26, 2013, 01:53:05 am
I'm not fond of 3D, though, so I wish that they made a 2DS earlier (one that you can fold, though).
Yeah, same, I don't want to pay for a feature I'll always disable but I'd like to fit the device in my pockets lol.

I like the 3DS personally. Lots of the Mario games are worth it, as well as the RPGs.
Ok, thanks for your opinion too :)

Now to decide among several choices:


And
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Eiyeron on November 26, 2013, 01:55:20 am
Note  : The XL doesnt have a better screen, the pixels are just bigger. And that makes the result quite ugly...
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on November 26, 2013, 02:07:19 am
Note  : The XL doesnt have a better screen, the pixels are just bigger. And that makes the result quite ugly...
Well, it doesn't have a better resolution, but still, I am used to 5.7'' and 5.8'' screens. So ok, the XL will shock me with its big pixels, but the non XL will shock me too for the same reason (because the 5.7'' is Full HD) plus with its little 3.53'' size.
Also, there is not only the size of the screen, there is the comfort of using something bigger (I have long fingers) and the imprints problem AoC mentionned on the non XL.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: willrandship on November 26, 2013, 01:44:26 pm
The 2DS has a feature everyone seems to be forgetting: The controls are in a good place. On all of the DS line, they're based in the center of the lower part of the handheld, which means it's off-balance. With the 2DS, it's still in the center, but it's also in the center of balance, and therefore easier to hold.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 26, 2013, 03:32:09 pm
The 2DS has a feature everyone seems to be forgetting: The controls are in a good place. On all of the DS line, they're based in the center of the lower part of the handheld, which means it's off-balance. With the 2DS, it's still in the center, but it's also in the center of balance, and therefore easier to hold.
Fair enough. I don't have any problems with that on the DS Lite nor my GBA SP though. But now I play DS games on my phone with DraStic so I don't care. :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 29, 2014, 05:22:36 am
Bump.
I just wanted to share my opinion now that I have been playing with a 3DS for some months.

It is indeed great!
After seeing ridiculous DS games (seriously, Pokemon on DS were flat sprites in battle and in Transformers, you have like 20 polygons on the screen and that's all), I was afraid that the 3DS would also have cheap graphics, but it absolutely doesn't. Of course, it's not the same as playing on 1080p on my computer, but that's what my computer is for, while the 3DS is for playing outside or for playing games with interesting gameplay (and not with a keyboard and a mouse all day long), like Ocarina of Time 3D in which you use the gyroscope to aim.

Games that I got and my opinions on it:
So yeah, I posted that in case someone was wondering what happened to the person who asked for opinions about the 3DS, well that person now has a 3DS and a very good opinion of it :D.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: aeTIos on May 29, 2014, 05:36:52 am
I might buy a 3DS one time.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 29, 2014, 07:26:02 am
Nice. I am considering one too.
The DS was a joke in front of the PSP, but the PSP sucked in it's way too.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 29, 2014, 12:30:40 pm
I think it's definitively worth the purchase. The DS had some games too but most notable ones were Mario Kart, the Zelda games, Nintendo 64 ports or SNES ports and not all of them were particularly impressive. Other than that, the DS focused heavily on educational games for a while and the Pokémon games were not technically impressive. The 3DS library seems to be more diverse in terms of actual games, except maybe hardcore FPSes, and it pushes graphics further. The PSVita is not so expensive either but it seems mostly aimed towards JRPG fans nowadays because that's pretty much all that comes out for it, while the 3DS has both JRPGs and many other classic franchises.

I would recommend the 3DS for sure.


As for the PSP it was fun for a short while, because it had plenty of great RPG remakes (Star Ocean series, Ys series, Final Fantasy series) and some other interesting games, but the problem is the UMD proprietary format which isn't compatible with anything else and when the PSP came out it was like $400-500 compared to the $250 PSVita, not to mention all the technical issues the PSP had. After most PSP games came out on PSN, available for play on the Vita, as well as Steam, this pretty much rendered most PSP consoles useless and mine hasn't been used for over a year.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 29, 2014, 12:33:54 pm
Well, there were many more SNES remakes on the GBA than on the DS. :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 29, 2014, 01:00:17 pm
True, but what I mean is that for the DS, they didn't seem to do that much effort for graphics when porting games. Rather than porting Nintendo 64 games like they did with Super Mario 64, they just ported older games. It's like if they decided to re-release Final Fantasy VII for the PS Vita but with zero graphical updates and just an extra bonus dungeon.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: bb010g on May 29, 2014, 06:33:00 pm
You do get the original experience that way, though, which is cool if you don't have the original hardware.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: 123outerme on May 29, 2014, 08:53:08 pm
It's totally worth it for Super Smash Bros 3DS, in my opinion.
I got one for Christmas two years ago (anticipating Pokemon X and Y) and I never dreamed of a portable SSB game, but now it's here!
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 30, 2014, 12:59:13 am
Bleh, SSB4 is gonna be better on the WiiU. :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 30, 2014, 02:23:29 am
I agree with the fact SSB4 is going to be better on the Wii U. But I don't have a TV, Wii U+TV is a lot more expensive than just 3DS, a 3DS can be bought without your parents knowing, you can play the 3DS in a train and as I said, for HD games I have my PC. So I'd say that indeed, as 123outerme said, SSB on 3DS is going to be worth it (except if they make it Brawl-like and not Melee like).
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 30, 2014, 09:03:56 am
There will be a GC pad adapter for the U. So the home version is definitely gonna rock ass. :D
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 30, 2014, 09:12:55 am
There will be a GC pad adapter for the U. So the home version is definitely gonna rock ass. :D
This doesn't defeat the "I have my PC for that" argument.
And who says there will be no adapter for the 3DS ? :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 30, 2014, 09:23:04 am
Lol GC pad on the 3ds. :P
Also, on the PC you only have Melee, Brawl and PM.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 30, 2014, 09:28:37 am
Yeah, I don't really believe on GC pads on 3DS, but that would be awesome :P
Maybe they could do something like the Circle Pad but with all the GC buttons ?

And yeah, on PC, I have those 3, but PM is still developped, will always be developped and has all the features everybody wants such as wavedashing which is impossible in Brawl and will probably be unavailable in future iterations too so I "only" have the best ones ;)
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 30, 2014, 10:03:57 am
Butbutbut SSB4 WiiU has better gfx. :(
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 30, 2014, 10:11:25 am
If it was about graphics, I would have bought a Vita instead of a 3DS and would have stopped playing Melee.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: bb010g on May 31, 2014, 12:04:58 am
Also, on the PC you only have Melee, Brawl and PM.
You forgot the original.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2014, 01:16:08 am
If it was about graphics, I would have bought a Vita instead of a 3DS and would have stopped playing Melee.
Plus, those who only get a console because of graphics seems to not realize that way back then, people had plenty of fun with graphics like this:

(http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/collection/articlepics/atari2600/combat1.png)
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 31, 2014, 02:42:03 am
Also, on the PC you only have Melee, Brawl and PM.
You forgot the original.
Well it's not all about graphics but this one is a bit too ugly for my tastes, like the original OoT :P
Plus, I couldn't find it in the retro gaming shop where I found Brawl and Melee -.-

If it was about graphics, I would have bought a Vita instead of a 3DS and would have stopped playing Melee.
Plus, those who only get a console because of graphics seems to not realize that way back then, people had plenty of fun with graphics like this:

(http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/collection/articlepics/atari2600/combat1.png)
Why "way back then" ? We still have fun with this kind of games on calc :D
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2014, 02:43:56 am
Oh I meant people who only play console games in general. I even saw people complain that Watchdogs graphics are bad O.O

Also calc games in general have much better graphics than that Atari game :P
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 31, 2014, 03:54:13 am
Also, on the PC you only have Melee, Brawl and PM.
You forgot the original.
Well it's not all about graphics but this one is a bit too ugly for my tastes, like the original OoT :P
Looks like you didn't try it in 1400*1050 with 16x MSAA and 16x anisotropic filter + community retexture v6. :trollface:
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Hayleia on May 31, 2014, 06:27:33 am
The problem is not the resolution, nor is it the anti-aliasing, nor does it come from textures. It's the low number of polygons in models. A cube in 1920x1080 is still a cube.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 31, 2014, 10:23:25 am
Bleh polygons. :P Also OoT runs at 20 fps for the NTSC version, and slower with 17 fps for PAL. But bleh.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2014, 12:10:37 pm
To be honest I always found chars in OoT to be ugly and lacking polygons, even by N64 standards. They looked worse than some PS1 characters. Map and object graphics, as well as enemies were nice, though.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 31, 2014, 01:08:03 pm
Well, the n64 was limited and OoT is pretty graphically intensive for it.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2014, 11:31:28 pm
Yeah I just mean how for example in Super Mario 64, Mario looked more round than Link in OoT.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: tr1p1ea on May 31, 2014, 11:40:23 pm
Criticising a system because of its graphics .... on a calculator forum!?!

:D.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on June 01, 2014, 02:40:39 am
Lol tr1p. :P

Also MK64 looks like it uses 2D sprites for characters and karts like SMK.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 01, 2014, 12:05:44 pm
Yeah most 64 games used scaled sprites for various objects like trees and sometimes even chars. This is why I think on the HP Prime, using the Triangle command to generate basic terrains or walls you wouldn't really need that much 3D rendering for the rest, although detecting if a sprite is in front of or behind a wall might be trickier.
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: Streetwalrus on June 01, 2014, 12:15:04 pm
There are probably also space constraints on the N64 because in OoT the maps are huge and the ROM is only like 64MB (or even 32 I don't remember)
Title: Re: Is the 3DS worth it ?
Post by: ben_g on June 01, 2014, 03:03:39 pm
Yeah most 64 games used scaled sprites for various objects like trees and sometimes even chars. This is why I think on the HP Prime, using the Triangle command to generate basic terrains or walls you wouldn't really need that much 3D rendering for the rest, although detecting if a sprite is in front of or behind a wall might be trickier.
Well, even the (normal) DS does this, and many older games on both computers and consoles also do this. This is mainly used for objects far away or in other cases where it isn't that visible though, but they do use it. Mario kart n64 and other games of that era just did this to a much higher extend than now though, since currently it's pretty much only used to render particle effects.