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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Hot_Dog on March 22, 2011, 03:00:06 pm

Title: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Hot_Dog on March 22, 2011, 03:00:06 pm
So, in my opinion,

The Gameboy Color is more advanced (for example better graphics) than the NES
The Gameboy Advance is more advanced than the Super Nintendo
The Nintendo DS is more advanced than the Nintendo 64

What about the Nintendo 3DS?  Do you feel it will be more advanced than the gamecube?
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2011, 03:01:13 pm
I bet it will be slightly more advanced, or if it isn't graphical-wise, then it will be with the 2 screens.

However, the problem is that for some system, the game choice dropped from a system to another. For example, a lot of NES RPGs are absent from the GBC, and for the GBA the sound quality for many game ports is crappy, not to mention I have yet to see classics such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger for the GBA (although CT came out for the DS later). The DS seems to break this trend, though, considering the 64 had a terrible game choice (great games, but where are all the RPGs?)
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: JosJuice on March 22, 2011, 03:15:32 pm
For example, a lot of NES RPGs are absent from the GBC, and for the GBA the sound quality for many game ports is crappy, not to mention I have yet to see classics such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger for the GBA (although CT came out for the DS later).
My main problem with the GBA ports is the reduced screen size, and the ridiculously bright graphics in some games.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: aeTIos on March 22, 2011, 03:16:46 pm
I think every platform has its own pros and cons. for example, the NES is just cool, as you see those complicated games (for its time). so can you think many reasons for being cool for every platform.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Munchor on March 22, 2011, 03:22:02 pm
So, in my opinion,

The Gameboy Color is more advanced (for example better graphics) than the NES
The Gameboy Advance is more advanced than the Super Nintendo
The Nintendo DS is more advanced than the Nintendo 64

What about the Nintendo 3DS?  Do you feel it will be more advanced than the gamecube?

It has HD Graphics, unlike the Wii...

It has 3D without glasses.

Without any doubt,
this is the best console ever.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2011, 03:28:16 pm
For example, a lot of NES RPGs are absent from the GBC, and for the GBA the sound quality for many game ports is crappy, not to mention I have yet to see classics such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger for the GBA (although CT came out for the DS later).
My main problem with the GBA ports is the reduced screen size, and the ridiculously bright graphics in some games.
Weird I didn't see the bright graphics. But yeah I remember sound was an issue. Just compare Final Fantasy VI or Sonic the Hedgehog sound from the original versions to FFVI Advance and Sonic Genesis re-releases. X.x
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: JosJuice on March 22, 2011, 03:29:03 pm
It has HD Graphics, unlike the Wii...
I don't think it has over 640x480 (maybe 320x240?) pixels (unless you count every pixel twice due to the 3D... but it wouldn't be HD even then)
For example, a lot of NES RPGs are absent from the GBC, and for the GBA the sound quality for many game ports is crappy, not to mention I have yet to see classics such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger for the GBA (although CT came out for the DS later).
My main problem with the GBA ports is the reduced screen size, and the ridiculously bright graphics in some games.
Weird I didn't see the bright graphics.
It's only present in a few games. Since the original GBA didn't have a backlight, they made everything too bright instead, making it look terrible on GBAs that have backlight.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2011, 03:53:08 pm
Ah, right. Yeah I remember the original GBA. It was so terrible X.x
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Munchor on March 24, 2011, 12:32:28 pm
Ah, right. Yeah I remember the original GBA. It was so terrible X.x

Terrible when compared to more modern consoles, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Ashbad on March 24, 2011, 12:48:26 pm
So, in my opinion,

The Gameboy Color is more advanced (for example better graphics) than the NES
The Gameboy Advance is more advanced than the Super Nintendo
The Nintendo DS is more advanced than the Nintendo 64

What about the Nintendo 3DS?  Do you feel it will be more advanced than the gamecube?

not quite yet, though it has a shot.  I personally don't like the double screen idea though -- if they could just jazz up the Advance SP design, that would be a buy for me.  And if It came with a pokemon game 'Pokemon Rainbow' where you could play through a 2000 hour story in more than the 5 regions ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Munchor on March 24, 2011, 02:30:32 pm
So, in my opinion,

The Gameboy Color is more advanced (for example better graphics) than the NES
The Gameboy Advance is more advanced than the Super Nintendo
The Nintendo DS is more advanced than the Nintendo 64

What about the Nintendo 3DS?  Do you feel it will be more advanced than the gamecube?

not quite yet, though it has a shot.  I personally don't like the double screen idea though -- if they could just jazz up the Advance SP design, that would be a buy for me.  And if It came with a pokemon game 'Pokemon Rainbow' where you could play through a 2000 hour story in more than the 5 regions ;D

I guess you're asking too much :P

The double screen is pretty cool for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: XVicarious on March 24, 2011, 03:27:37 pm
I heard it is a bit more advanced than the Wii... I don't know if its true of not. Probly not tho
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Munchor on March 24, 2011, 03:28:54 pm
I heard it is a bit more advanced than the Wii... I don't know if its true of not. Probly not tho


I believe it is (afterall it's epic), but Wii has features the DS could never haver due to being a TV console.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Ashbad on March 24, 2011, 03:30:07 pm
Though, I have to admit the number of colors a DS screen can show is a bit... lame.  I think it's like 17 bit.

So, twice that of prizm :P
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 24, 2011, 08:20:19 pm
It has HD Graphics, unlike the Wii...
I don't think it has over 640x480 (maybe 320x240?) pixels (unless you count every pixel twice due to the 3D... but it wouldn't be HD even then)
For example, a lot of NES RPGs are absent from the GBC, and for the GBA the sound quality for many game ports is crappy, not to mention I have yet to see classics such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger for the GBA (although CT came out for the DS later).
My main problem with the GBA ports is the reduced screen size, and the ridiculously bright graphics in some games.
Weird I didn't see the bright graphics.
It's only present in a few games. Since the original GBA didn't have a backlight, they made everything too bright instead, making it look terrible on GBAs that have backlight.
I think its like 840 X 480 - total, the pixels per eye is half.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Ashbad on March 24, 2011, 08:23:42 pm
I heard that it actually might be more powerful than a Wii -- and from a reputable source or two.

So, this DS might actually be good ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 24, 2011, 08:59:51 pm
I tried the 3DS today but I unfortunately didn't have the chance to see its 3D in action. The demo game was Street Fighter by the way. However It seemed pretty cool, although kinda heavy it seems. I will probably wait a bit before buying one because it will be $249.99 over here.

I heard it would be kinda like the Gamecube or Wii power.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: XVicarious on March 24, 2011, 09:37:50 pm
I think its that much in the US too :(
And the battery lasts like 5 hours...
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Michael_Lee on March 24, 2011, 09:46:08 pm
5 hours?  That's pretty short.
I heard that the battery life would last fairly long if you played with the 3d effect low or off, though.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 24, 2011, 09:53:27 pm
Wow. Well... I sure hope it still lets you play while the battery is charging at least. What about in wi-fi mode? I remember in wi-fi mode the PSP drained the battery like there's no tomorrow.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Hot_Dog on March 24, 2011, 10:16:33 pm
I wish that I could have tried a Nintendo 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: XVicarious on March 24, 2011, 10:18:50 pm
Well the 3DS comes with a cradle to charge it, I imagine you can just plug it in normal And the ones at the store are almost always plugged in all the time.
And im sure they will update firmware to extend battery life, or some website will start selling better batteries. My dad just got the new HTC Thunderbolt and the battery lasts like less than a day. 2 hours on 4g LTE.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: AngelFish on March 24, 2011, 10:36:53 pm
Though, I have to admit the number of colors a DS screen can show is a bit... lame.  I think it's like 17 bit.

So, twice that of prizm :P

Wow, that reminds me of this (http://xkcd.com/732/)

Your DS has almost TWICE the number of colors as my calculator :P
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: XVicarious on March 24, 2011, 10:38:09 pm
Ahahah.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: calc84maniac on March 24, 2011, 11:18:42 pm
Though, I have to admit the number of colors a DS screen can show is a bit... lame.  I think it's like 17 bit.

So, twice that of prizm :P

Wow, that reminds me of this (http://xkcd.com/732/)

Your DS has almost TWICE the number of colors as my calculator :P
18-bit, actually. So 4 times as much :P 18 kind of makes sense, that's 6 bits for each of R,G,B
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 25, 2011, 03:19:57 pm
I did notice they are making a remake of star fox 64 for it, not a star fox gamecube game, so I don't think this will quite have the capabilities of a gamecube. It's probably halfway there by now.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: calc84maniac on March 25, 2011, 09:24:20 pm
I did notice they are making a remake of star fox 64 for it, not a star fox gamecube game, so I don't think this will quite have the capabilities of a gamecube. It's probably halfway there by now.
They are taking the game and improving it, not a direct port. Same for Ocarina of Time 3D, take a look at that and you can see the improved power (though you can still see some of the n64 game design since they're not really changing the maps)
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 26, 2011, 04:27:42 pm
Yeah I remember the graphics were being improved. I hope to see some new Zelda and Mario games. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 27, 2011, 04:22:18 pm
One thing nice to see is the analog stick. It should make many games a lot easier.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Hot_Dog on March 27, 2011, 04:24:57 pm
One thing nice to see is the analog stick. It should make many games a lot easier.

If Nintendo had had me on their team, the first Nintendo DS would have had the analog stick ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: Ashbad on March 27, 2011, 04:25:02 pm
I did notice they are making a remake of star fox 64 for it, not a star fox gamecube game, so I don't think this will quite have the capabilities of a gamecube. It's probably halfway there by now.

or it's just they wanna remake the old nostalgic games that not many people can play with current hardware ;)

HERE'S BIG NEWS: A remake of Zelda: Ocarina of Time O.O O.O
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 27, 2011, 04:31:55 pm
One thing nice to see is the analog stick. It should make many games a lot easier.

If Nintendo had had me on their team, the first Nintendo DS would have had the analog stick ;D
I would have given the original gameboy an analog stick
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 27, 2011, 05:01:49 pm
One thing some people reported (including RUner) is that apparently the screen isn't too great. You have to face the DS even in 2D mode, otherwise the screen starts looking weird or something and if you often move while playing it can be annoying. I hope this isn't too much an issue for some games. Also in 3D mode you apparently have to be close to the screen, and some games run slower in that mode.

I am curious what games will come out, though, in the future. I wonder if there will be some RPGs or first person shooters? I know there's the Zelda OOT remake.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: calc84maniac on March 27, 2011, 11:21:33 pm
One thing some people reported (including RUner) is that apparently the screen isn't too great. You have to face the DS even in 2D mode, otherwise the screen starts looking weird or something and if you often move while playing it can be annoying. I hope this isn't too much an issue for some games. Also in 3D mode you apparently have to be close to the screen, and some games run slower in that mode.

I am curious what games will come out, though, in the future. I wonder if there will be some RPGs or first person shooters? I know there's the Zelda OOT remake.
I'm not having any such issues with 2D mode. I do get some weird stuff if I have it on very low 3d settings, but not when the slider is set completely to 2D.
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 27, 2011, 11:22:41 pm
Weird. I wonder if it could depend on the battery power or some different settings?
Title: Re: Nintendo continuing its interesting trend?
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 31, 2011, 06:45:54 pm
One thing some people reported (including RUner) is that apparently the screen isn't too great. You have to face the DS even in 2D mode, otherwise the screen starts looking weird or something and if you often move while playing it can be annoying. I hope this isn't too much an issue for some games. Also in 3D mode you apparently have to be close to the screen, and some games run slower in that mode.

I am curious what games will come out, though, in the future. I wonder if there will be some RPGs or first person shooters? I know there's the Zelda OOT remake.
I'm not having any such issues with 2D mode. I do get some weird stuff if I have it on very low 3d settings, but not when the slider is set completely to 2D.
With the very low 3d, could the weirdness be because the images are so slightly offset that your eyes don't realize they are supposed to be from two different angles?
Title: 3DS
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 09:53:56 pm
Strange, I wonder if when I tried it before launch if it was actually set on low 2D... I didn't check the slider because I never looked online how the button layout was like, since I don't follow gaming news regularly.