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Title: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 07:44:36 am
Sorry that I open a new Topic again, but the degree of destruction of my TI has reached a new level!

My OS:    2.43
TI type:   TI 84+

I was deleting the full archieve.
Then, today, I was trying a selftest, too. (MODE, ALPHA, S)
It told me:
BOOT Code 1.02
DASE Code 2.43
Enter Self-Test?
This will delete all memory
Press [ON] to cancel
     I pressed ENTER
START?
     I pressed ENTER
24075
     I pressed ENTER
0
ROM FAIL
     I pressed ENTER
Ramclear!

I made it again, but the second time, it wasn’t 24075, which was shown.
The number has changed.
I repeated it a few times:
Spoiler For numbers:
24075
24074
24070
24069
24068
24050
24051
24048
24047
24046
24043
24046
24048
24044
24047
24045
24048
24047
24047
24049
24044
24050
24050
24047
24050
24050
24051
24057
24057
24055
24051
24057
24054
24057
24054
24057
24058
24058
24056
24057
24057
24058
24058
24057
24057
24058
24065
24063
24058
24061
24059
24059
24057
24061
24059



I don't think this is good (I'm sure this is very bad), so I opened a new topic because I have no idea what to do!!!


But I have an idea what was the cause of all this:
I downloadad an ASM-program, which allowed me to write a short text, which will be shown in 2ND + MEM => About
The program was aboutnam
after I made this, it has all bogone.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: Ashbad on August 02, 2011, 07:47:56 am
So, what is exactly wrong?  All that you seem to have done is conducted self test mode a few times and gotten slightly different numbers.. What's wrong with that?  Is it causing any issues?
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 07:49:02 am
If I make the selftest, it tells me ROM FAIL
4 days ago, everything was ok when I started selftest.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: Ashbad on August 02, 2011, 07:50:23 am
... But is anything besides that acting weird at all?  My calc says "ROM fail" every now and then as well, and it's been fine for >3 years now.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 07:53:07 am
well, sometimes, I still have large font when I draw something (the coordinats are hown large)
And sometimes it's RAMCLEAR even if I haven't done anything.
And all my older problems.
This is my 3. or 4. Post in cause of problems with my TI!
I wasn't able to delete my OS
It always told me ERR:MEMORY
...
Even thepenguin77 told me that the reactions or my TI are "Interresting"...

And now even the selftest says me ROM FAIL
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: calcdude84se on August 02, 2011, 12:02:17 pm
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BrandonW:   If your calculator says "ROM FAIL" during the self test, then you've modified the OS somehow, and the OS checksum is now invalid because of it. The only side effect is that the self test gives you "ROM FAIL", as you've discovered. To fix it, re-send the OS.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: AngelFish on August 02, 2011, 12:04:29 pm
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Even thepenguin77 told me that the reactions or my TI are "Interresting"...

I wouldn't take that to mean your calculator necessarily has something wrong with it.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 12:07:01 pm
Calcdude is right resend the OS or just buy a new one.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: calcdude84se on August 02, 2011, 12:08:20 pm
Calcdude is right resend the OS or just buy a new one.
You mean BrandonW is. ;) And neither of us said that he should be buying a new calc.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 12:14:02 pm
Well I said that, but you quoted Brandon so it is half of you saying it. (If that makes any sense.)
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 01:26:46 pm
I resent the OS.
Still ERR:MEMORY and RAMCLEAR and so on!
The selftest stilkl says ROM FAIL!   :banghead:
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 01:41:40 pm
Sorry but ebay and a new calculator looms in the darkness. Or just give up. Or sit with a broken calculator. Sorry I am not much help, hope you figure it out.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 02, 2011, 01:58:56 pm
I'm unsure really, it definitively seems the calc is busted. Usually it might be the flash that is corrupted, but I'm unsure how it can be fixed.

1) Try to send another OS via ON+DEL.
2) During the OS transfer (like around 7% transfer), remove a battery or the cable. This will make your calc without an OS.
3) When the calc is turned OFF, press MODE (or maybe you have to hold down MODE then press ON, or vice-versa).
4) Wait until the Testing Flash counter has finished. Some people says it takes a few minutes, but I've seen stuff about how it takes one or two weeks. Not sure how true the latter is. In any case, make sure you got strong batteries.
5) If anything wrong or special occur during the counting, there might be something wrong with what the calculator boot code is testing (usually the flash memory, the LCD, keypad, etc).

However afterward I'M not sure if there is any solution to fix your machine.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 02:03:17 pm
What did you do to get your calc into this state anyways?
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 02:18:12 pm
Sorry, DJ_O, that I haven't listenet to you
Sorry, BrandonW that I haven't listened to you,m too.

But I've read it all, now, and I hope it'll work.

Thanx for the help!!
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 02:19:36 pm
Good luck and may the force be with you.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 02, 2011, 02:21:01 pm
Thanx!

Isn't that the thing the guys in StarWars ever tell each other?  ;)
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 02:22:25 pm
Yes, Yes The force is strong with this one. (read in a yoda voice)
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 02, 2011, 02:26:52 pm
What did you do to get your calc into this state anyways?
No clue but from what BrandonW said, it's possible that the flash got corrupted by running bad ASM or Axe programs that messes with archived stuff. It might also be a problem with the calc.

I know me and someone else had the Axe app compiling problem on our calcs. I had a 83+ and he had a 84+, I think, and I never figured out how to fix it. When trying to compile an APP with any Axe Parser version, it freezes or the Y= menu crashes. In both cases, no APP are created. Quigibo never figured out why it happens on my calc in particular.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 02, 2011, 02:48:30 pm
Well tell us when you calc is fixed, we all hope for the best.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 03, 2011, 10:43:38 am
It seems like if it's fixed, now.  :D

but the last few times, it was like before only a few days later!  :P



DJ or anyone else:
How can I ged rid of the text I had added to the ABOUT-screen?
(with aboutnam)
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: JosJuice on August 03, 2011, 11:00:22 am
DJ or anyone else:
How can I ged rid of the text I had added to the ABOUT-screen?
(with aboutnam)
Run Aboutnam again. There should be an option to remove it.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 03, 2011, 11:02:25 am
I should really load this TI-killing-software on my TI again ?  O.O
If you tell me that I should make it...   OK! I'll try it!
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: JosJuice on August 03, 2011, 11:03:39 am
I should really load this TI-killing-software on my TI again ?  O.O
If you tell me that I should make it...   OK! I'll try it!
Well, there aren't any other ways to remove it... Other than modifying the certificate manually. You should NEVER modify the certificate manually unless you're completely sure about what you're doing, as you might destroy your calculator forever.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 03, 2011, 11:09:06 am
I think this is it what has happened to my calc, but only a bit.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 12:18:10 pm
Bad news now my calc is crushed, from using axe 1.0.0 nothing works. I tried taking out all batteries and draining power from it but I think it has something to do with the OS being messed up.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: yunhua98 on August 03, 2011, 12:25:48 pm
ouch, do you have backups of your project?

There were some issues with Axe 1.0.0, try to back up calc to comp and then a full ROM clear and then install Axe 1.0.2
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: p2 on August 03, 2011, 12:30:40 pm
only of a few - some of them uploaded here in Omnimaga.

But all my larger projects were killed more than one jear ago - I had to make an archieve clear - TI Connect was'n able to connect with my TI, Ramclears all the time, programs appearing and disappearing - programs whoch I've never made appeared (wasn't able to delete them), ERR_MEMORY, ...
(Every error you can ever have in only two hours!!!)

That was when my periods-program died the third time.
Then I gave up making the periods-program again!
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 12:43:54 pm
Yunhua no I din't have any backups, so It probably got deleted. :(

Even worse, I cannot get my calc to connect with ti-connect to get the new OS and axe 1.0.2. Nothing happens, ti-connect doesn't even register any cables plugged in.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 02:16:19 pm
Gah this sucks. Someone should take Axe 1.0.0 and 1.0.1 offline (the attachment, at least) or put a huge all caps warning in the threads so people know it can destroy your calc.

zeldaking have you tried TiLP? You should make a new thread maybe or search abotu TI-Connect issues so you can find a more specific answer or get one.

But guys, seriously, there's a thread with an all-caps title in the projects section for a reason. People need to backup more often.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: AngelFish on August 03, 2011, 02:18:26 pm
Added big, bold, and red warning text in all of the 1.0.** download posts.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 02:22:33 pm
It might be best, in case, because I don't want everyone's calcs to be destroyed due to it. X.x Is Axe open source now by the way? It might be a good idea if someone could help Quigibo once he checks that out again to make sure the bug is really gone from 1.0.2 and later.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 02:22:40 pm
What is TiLP?
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: TC01 on August 03, 2011, 02:24:08 pm
I had to diagnose linking issues with my calc a while ago (it turned out that my old 83+'s link port was dead). Here's what I did:

1. Reinstall TI-Connect. Sometimes this fixes it (recently this happened to my 89).

2. Try multiple cables and different ports. Unfortunately, you will be limited by the number of cables you have; if you don't have a Silverlink you can't test the I/O port, for instance. (You may have already done this).

3. Completely uninstall TI-Connect and install TiLP (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/), a third party and much more reliable linking program. Try it with that.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 02:33:04 pm
I can't find the dowload TiLP at the link.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 02:34:41 pm
You need to click the SourceForge link there, but then all I saw available for download was gfm-1.05.zip. Is that TiLP or just Group File Manager?
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: TC01 on August 03, 2011, 02:34:57 pm
I can't find the dowload TiLP at the link.

The link is available here (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/win32.html).

EDIT: Yeah, it is also available from Sourceforge here (https://sourceforge.net/projects/tilp/files/tilp2-win32/tilp2-1.15/). The tilp-1.15.zip download is what you'd want there; gfm-1.05.zip just contains Group File Manager, which you wouldn't need.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 02:37:53 pm
Ah ok I didn't spot it since the download navigation is so small on this resolution. My bad. Also they changed the SOurceForge site again and it's hard to find stuff now x.x

EDIT And thanks for the 2nd link. In SF it shows the gfm by default and there was no dl link in the nav bar, so I didn't spot the list of updates until later.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 03:18:29 pm
Here is that picture. I hate my calc right now. :mad: :mad: :mad:
This was done in paint. The white dots and black dots are on/off pixels.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 03:49:09 pm
Well most people are probably away (I was playing a game) so you need to be patient when waiting for a reply. This definitively looks messed up. x.x
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: yunhua98 on August 03, 2011, 03:56:48 pm
So you will look at this pic. (i will delete in a minute)
It think that's because he edited the pic in, and needed to bump it.  Given the circumstances, I can relate.

Sadly, the only experience I've ever had with TI-Connect is either sighing in relief if it works, or banging my head in frustration if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: zeldaking on August 03, 2011, 04:01:15 pm
Well TiLP didn't work either, just gave me an error and quit. So yes I am banging my head. :mad:*bang :mad: *bang :mad:*bang :mad:
Title: Re: Calc crushed!!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 03, 2011, 04:01:46 pm
Ah ok, earlier it was a double post actually :P

Zeldaking could you ask in another topic? Preferably the TiLP topic itself.