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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: Raylin on October 06, 2010, 11:31:13 am
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In light of recent events, I have decided that it's necessary to talk some programming sense into these young'uns. So, I am creating a show for the community called "Have Calc? Will Program!" or "HCWP" for short, an audio-only web show. On here, I will start giving out tips, optimizations, and pointers for all of those wary calc programmers...
The entire show is set up, ready to go and I would be honored if the followed people would join me:
*KermMartian
*Weregoose
*Quigibo
*calc84maniac
The show starts at 7:00 Central Time. :) Listen to it! It will change the way you program games and anything else!
I will advertise when it gets closer to that time. :)
h t t p : //tinychat.com/havecalc
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This sounds cool-ish.
Will the show be saved somewhere? I probably won't be online at 7:00 Central time.
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Yes. It shall be saved. Hopefully... I dunno.
Also, the format of the show is:
*Introductions
*Basics
*Advertisements for both Cemetech and Omnimaga
*Coding tips [TI-BASIC]
*Coding tips [Axe]
*Coding tips [ASM]
*Final Words/ Summary
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You mean like a podcast?
Also: What recent events?
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Over at Cemetech. Don't worry about it.
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Nice idea. Unfortunately, I won't be around so it would be great if someone who got a computer with Stereo Mix recording could record it and save it somewhere as mp3. I assume this will mostly be TI-BASIC, right? (Knowing a lot of Cemetech members have started learning TI-BASIC in the past few months)
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It will cover all the languages. :)
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Ah cool, even assembly? :D
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Over at Cemetech. Don't worry about it.
Aw, but I wanna know! (It sounds like a good story).
Also, a request: do you think it's possible to post transcripts or summaries, even rough, sketchy ones?
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Yeah.
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http://tinychat.com/havecalc
It's going on right now! Join and speak/listen. :)
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Darn I wish I didn't have work this evening, I could have listened to it and maybe recorded it. How did it went?
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This was a HUGE success! We have established a weekly time for this which is every Wednesday at 7pm Central Time!
But, this topic in-between that time is for questions you want answered on the show! Talk to me, people! :)
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Darn, I work almost every wednesday evenings, meaning I'll never be able to listen to them...
What about Friday or Saturday evenings?
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I think a recap digest at 7pm Saturday is in order. :)
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Ok ;D
Hopefully I should be able to catch a bunch of those :)
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Hmm, I was thinking of making a show too with ustream :P maybe I should cook up the details later
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It would be nice too. It would be best to not make them overlap, tho :P
Also doN,t use the same mic as when you showed KnightOS and stuff x.x
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Lol I wont :P and mine can be viewed later if you want via ustream
that was my mom's mic, not mine...so hopefully this will work better :P
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I was there and I have to say I enjoyed it. Too bad tinychat has no recording mechanism...
See you next show! :D
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Might I suggest moving over to ustream for recording it? at least have someone record the content of tinychat with ustream for later?
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IMO it should definitely be left on tinychat so everyone can participate with more than just text.
If possible, yeah, it should definitely be recorded. :)
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On Ustream we can chat too, but we have to sign up x.x, otherwise we can simply use Omnimaga channel for the chat. If the show is on a friday evening there aren't too many people on IRC anyway.
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...so everyone can participate with more than just text.
I like voice/video chatting! ;D
Edit: This is not meant to be taken badly :P
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Oh wait Tinychat has vid/voice chat too? That might be better. If voices are reocrded too, just warn on the show screen that you are being recorded, tho, in case someone doesn't want to be recorded and won't notice. Otherwise it would be illegal x.x
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Yeah. Screenshot made by Kerm:
(http://i55.tinypic.com/35lcah5.jpg)
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wow looks great :D hopefully I can join in one of these days with a webcam
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yes, it is a thing of beauty. i dont think it will be likely that i can join in very often, but i will try!
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Nice :D
I don't think I have a webcam anymore, but I got a mic, so that could work.
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That's what I used. :)
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That's what I used. :)
But wasn't that just 'cause your floormate's webcam wasn't working? ;)
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This is a really neat idea! :D It's quite amazing to me how active the calculator community is!
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Hey nice to see you are still around ;D
Indeed, nice change since 2008 and early 2009. Now it's more centered on two forums and less on many but the total activity has increased considerably.
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Yep, I'm still here. ;D The consolidation is definitely nice. It seemed like communities were always randomly disappearing back in those days. Now the (two) communities are both stable and active! ;)
Anyway, hopefully I'll be able to catch the next one of these shows.
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Yeah x.x.
The issue that happened is that usually, an active forum saw its staff leave over the time, but nothing was done to replace them and to monitor their activity. When those teams had no more active projects, the site slowly died. Other things that happened were people being hostile to newbies and groups of people and if the site was advertised as a nice site (eg: a board rule saying you must be respectful to others), newbies did not see it coming. There were also some fights, but when they got solved, things went fine again afterward. Not to mention some years there were way too many small forums starting up and the offer became too high for the demand. The fate of the TI community seems to have caused Omni and Cemetech to be the current two major english TI forums. THis is quite weird considering both sites went through chaos in late 2007 and early 2008.
Check the image attached to this post to see how much the TI community activity shifted from a place to another in the past 6 years.
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Thanks for the statistics! :) It's really interesting to see how quickly and dramatically everything has changed. I think Revsoft and TI-Freakware were the big names when I first started serious calculator programming. At least they had the most content that I was interested in. And everywhere I went seemed to have links to MaxCoderz. Looking at these stats, it's insane how rapidly that site declined! It is hard to comprehend how or why things turned out as they did, but I'm glad they did. :)
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For TI-FW and RS, the issue was that both had similarities with United-TI/Omnimaga and MaxCoderz respectively during their peak periods. TI-FW was mostly TI-83+ BASIC and 68K C while UTI was TI-83+ BASIC and Omnimaga was both TI-83+ BASIC and 68K C. Revsoft was almost MaxCoderz, but with different staff/users. What they offered in overall was the same kind of stuff MaxCoderz offered: z80 assembly stuff. Since UTI/Omni/MC had high activity already, it was very hard at the time for RS/TIFW to compete in terms of activity. The result: as soon as staff went inactive, most people stopped posting. Omni faced a similar problem in 2006-07, as most of our members were UTI members already, so when I went inactive, most people went inactive too.
As for MaxCoderz, it was a combination of factors that caused its death. First, they moved to a new domain name in 2006 but never announced the change anywhere. Additionally, they decided to remove their download section, which was basically their history since 2001. As a result, they lost most of their users during the move. In fact, in 2009 I still heard people saying they thought MaxCoderz was gone since 2006 whenever I showed them the new URL. In addition to that, there wasn't much staff renewal over the last few years so no one could replace the retiring staff. As a result, fewer projects were active and then members stopped posting. Finally, in early 2008 Kv83 did something to me that pissed off a lot of Omnimaga and United-TI members and even one of the MaxCoderz admin, in response to Omnimaga demise announcment there. As a result to this, most of those people stopped posting altogether. This is why you see such an abrupt decrease percentage from 2007 to 2008. Near the end of 2007, MaxCoderz was doing kinda fine then suddently no more activity.
As for United-TI, the removal of their downloads section and the decreasing activity from many staff and projects did not help them much in the past 2 years. In TI-BD case, they had a similar staff issue. Also, some things happened (mostly hostility towards newbies) that some of their most active members lost patience on and decided to migrate to Omnimaga, combined with some UTI members just leaving the community altogether.
Revsoft faced staff inactivity and hostility issues (caused by only one member) which were not dealt with, which they seem to have an hard time recovering from. One member that was active left their site, but I do not know if it's the reason why he left. He joined Omnimaga one year later. Not only that, but in April-May 2010, their site went down completly for several weeks.
Detacheds had some staff inactivity and their board slowly died. Same for OTBP, EPS and ticalcs.net. I was EPS staff, btw.
As for the smaller forums, they were just more offer than the community demand. There were too many TI forums at the time for new ones to start up.
Cemetech have some trolling issues with a few members and used to be hostile back in the days, but their board rules warns that Cemetech is not responsible and indicates that it might happen. Basically, if someone dislike that, he just doesn't signup, else, he joins and stay. You know what you're up to when you go there, plus it's not like such issues happens as much anymore nowadays anyway: You just avoid the Politic/rant/Freebuild sections and the video cards/browsers/OSes topics and make sure to not have terrible grammar and then good luck finding a bad comment. This is why I still post there nowadays (every two weekend). That, combined with the dedication of some of their admins, especially Kerm, plus the renewed open mindedness towards TI-BASIC, has contributed to Cemetech managing to recover from the Jatol hosting incident in late 2007 and to break new activity records recently.
As for Omni, despite our high activity back in the days, the anti-hostility rules caused us to have a lot of haters in the past, because they claimed that banning troublemakers was censorship/dictatorship. In late 2007 it reached such extent that caused the staff to join them to a certain level, leading to a certain Omni demise. After things calmed down in the community, 6 months later, the site restarted from scratch. After growing at a slow pace for one year, the renewed project base, especially the GB emulators, the open mindedness towards lib usage in TI-BASIC (now also present on Cemetech as well), the lower hostility guarantee, Axe Parser and the large amount of news about the TI-Nspire has contributed a lot to the revival of the site, not to mention that a bunch of UTI and TI-BD members migrated here due to problems mentionned earlier. One Cemetech member also migrated, but Cemetech went fine again afterward so now he is active on both sites. Eventually, we managed to break activity records as well, even thought one year ago we thought we would never have more than 2500 posts a month again.
There was an era where most remaining calc sites tried to find ways to branch out from TI stuff. At one point, it became apparent that a TI website would never survive only with calc stuff. This is why we expanded the off-topic sections to anime, rom hacking, web dev and gaming. Cemetech expanded to more LEGO stuff, hardware discussions and projects and computer development. On Omni, branching out kinda failed, though. This is not much an issue anymore today due to the renewed interest towards calc stuff.
Of course that might depend a bit of point of views, some people might have different opinions on why sites died, but I have seen many things and how they went since 2001.
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The new account is HaveCalcWillProgram on YouTube.
PM me for the password if you are going to upload videos.
Also, last chance to get in questions before the show tomorrow!
Ask quickly!
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Nice, I'll check the new account soon :)
I cannot participate to the show tomorrow, though, because I won't be home between 4 and 10:30 PM.
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Gentlemen, HCWP tonight.
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14 minutes! :D
I'll be there again.
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Who's Merth?
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Who's Merth?
Merthsoft: http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828
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Since it is done now, is there a download link?
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Is it possible to put the link to the site on the first post? Every time I have to search for it on Z's post.
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Done, but not as a link, to filter bots.
Also does the convos usually ends around 11 PM? I could maybe work things out to at least catch the last 30 minutes in the future. I also need a webcam. :P
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Thanks.
I don't know when people usually stop talking. It was mostly Sonlen, Merth, and Graphmastur (and little Kerm between when he got there and then left) talking about Sonlen's game and fixing a bug. Then Goose had an optimization segment that was short but that's about it. Unfortunately it wasn't to organized tonight and such.
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aah ok I see. I doubt I could have participated much since I haven't done BASIC in so long and you guys know a lot more optimizations than me ;D
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You can still participate :)
It seems I have missed it D:
Next week, perhaps...
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You can still participate :)
It seems I have missed it D:
Next week, perhaps...
You didn't miss a whole lot this week so no worries :P
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Oh I meant I couldn't participate because I arrived at home too late. HCWP ends at 11 PM, while I was ready around 10:50 PM or so.
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At the risk of a five month old necropost...is this still going?
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Yep, every week with a bunch of Cemetech guys. Same chat too. I don't join, though, because I barely understand spoken english :(
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Yep, every week with a bunch of Cemetech guys. Same chat too. I don't join, though, because I barely understand spoken english :(
If you listen enough, maybe you could get better :) Reading/Writing and listening/speaking are two totally different sets of skills, I must agree. :/
More on topic, I need to start attending again... I keep forgetting :(
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I've been sick and missing it a few times. I know, it's extremely hard to go from hearing/speaking to reading/writing or vice-versa.
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Yep, every week with a bunch of Cemetech guys. Same chat too. I don't join, though, because I barely understand spoken english :(
If you listen enough, maybe you could get better :) Reading/Writing and listening/speaking are two totally different sets of skills, I must agree. :/
More on topic, I need to start attending again... I keep forgetting :(
Well the crappy sound quality doesn't help, though. On SKype I could understand most of what Eeems said when we did Skype conferences over a year ago.
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On Skype I could understand most of what Eeems said when we did Skype conferences over a year ago.
:D Yay :)
I can now attend more because I finally got my webcam working on my computer ( the built in mic too :D ).
Speaking of the skype conferences, we should do them again sometime :)
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Yeah true it would be cool. Another issue with HCWP is that I almost always have work that night, so even if I could understand everything I would still be unable to attend the conferences anyway. :( We would need to plan on IRC and stuff or forums.
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Who usually still is there most times?
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Who usually still is there most times?
I'm there most times, but I miss every once and a while because of HW.
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i try to be there, but i can hardly hear anything.
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i try to be there, but i can hardly hear anything.
They usually don't say much, unless they are talking about something interesting like DUSB or something.
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even when they do talk about something, it gets cut mid sentence.
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Do you mean their mic sound cuts or do they start talking while you're talking?
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Their mic sound. I hear a few words, then nothing.
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Ah ok, that sucks. :S
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yea. i have a pair of mic headphones, but i dont know if the mic works. havent tried it.
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Yeah, that happens a few times, but I have an insanely fast down speed (as far as internet speeds go), so I get very few lags like that. What I don't like is those mics that only turn on if they think there's sound, so you hear static when they breath, and it's annoying....
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Actually mic sensitivity can be set in Skype and other softwares to solve that. Usually when I talked on Skype last year the only noise that came from me was when I actually talked. Make sure to not set sensitivity too low, though, so you don't have to yell.