Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: FinaleTI on July 17, 2010, 01:26:00 pm
Title: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 17, 2010, 01:26:00 pm
I tried to send OS 1.19 to my new TI-83+ SE, as it had 1.15 before, but something went wrong and now it seems to be OS-less and it won't properly connect to the computer. What should I do?
I'm using Windows 7 64-bit and TI-Connect with the 64-bit patch.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: BuckeyeDude on July 17, 2010, 01:31:10 pm
Press and hold delete for a couple seconds, then while still holding del, pop a battery. The screen to send the OS should pop up and you can try to resend the os again.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 17, 2010, 01:34:22 pm
Thanks. I just got it to work, though. I'll remember that if it acts up though.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 17, 2010, 03:38:18 pm
Now pressing certain keypresses will reset my RAM. I've done a full Mem reset to try and fix this, yet it is happening again with a new key combo. It used to happen with 2nd + the multiplication key. I haven't isolated the new keypress yet and they don't always reset the RAM. Would this be a problem I could fix by downgrading to say OS 1.18? I've only crashed once since my full Mem reset, so maybe this is just a fluke, or an extremely rarely triggered OS bug.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 17, 2010, 05:54:35 pm
Possibly. Another, unlikely, hopefully untrue, possibility is that the ROM is at the end of its life and is failing. However, if downgrading works, good for you :)
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 17, 2010, 06:26:30 pm
Since my post, it has not crashed. As far as I know, it was fairly new, as the only data on it when I got it was all the default apps it comes with. I kinda wanna say Omnicalc had somthing to do with the crash, since I had it oncalc while the crashes occured, but after removing it, as well as everything else, I havn't had a problem except for that one random crash.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 17, 2010, 06:28:50 pm
That's good, seeing as there's no easy way to get around a worn out flash chip. Have fun with your new (for you :P) 83+SE!
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 19, 2010, 02:00:38 pm
I'm glad it works fine now. If it fails again, I suggest resetting the entire memory THEN reinstalling an OS (preferably kill the transfer, then retry again, to make sure your calc is OS-less before sending a new OS). Otherwise maybe an ASM program have hit something bad like the certificate, altough it is not likely.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 21, 2010, 08:52:04 pm
Hmm... Now it seems to spontaneously RAM clear. Could this be a problem with the back-up battery? Or perhaps it's the certificate? If it is a certificate problem, how would I fix it? I tried resending OS 1.19 several times and I cleared my mem before each time, yet it still crashes.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: qazz42 on July 21, 2010, 08:54:03 pm
What compelled you to update the OS anyways?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 21, 2010, 08:57:42 pm
Qazz: Always make sure to have the latest OS version, because some of the older OSes got odd bugs.
I don't know about 1.15 and 1.16, but I know 1.14 or below had a nasty equ>string bug (search the site for it), 1.13 had some bugs causing RAM clears and 1.17 wasn't too stable, apparently.
I don't know about 84+ OSes, though. Just make sure to not update to 2.53 MP unless you really like the new features.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 21, 2010, 08:58:42 pm
1.19 *should* be more stable than 1.15 if I'm not mistaken. Plus, I'm just used to having 1.19, since that's what was on my TI-83+ BE.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 21, 2010, 09:01:47 pm
I poked BrandonW with this topic link on IRC, in case he is lurking, since I am not too sure how to help on the issue above. Usually when an OS reinstall doesn't solve your issues, it is not too good. You did a full mem reset then resent the OS, right? Sometimes a full mem clear also help. When I tried compiling apps on my 83+ with Axe, it totally messed up my user archive and I was forced to mem clear to fix the errors I got everytime I turn the calc ON
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 21, 2010, 09:06:06 pm
Yeah. I'll probably give another try tommorow, in case I had messed up before. That said, I think I'll leave app compiling for my 84.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: thepenguin77 on July 21, 2010, 09:12:10 pm
It's probably not the certificate causing you problems as you can actually validate the OS's.
Right now you're in one of those cool times where you don't care if you have an OS or not, which means that you can test to see if indeed you have worn out your flash. So, somehow kill your OS. Stopping halfway through a transfer like DJ said should probably do it. Then, turn your calculator on while holding Mode. One of those two will put you in the boot code self test. It works just like the regular one except it also tests flash. Once its done, press enter instead of on to continue.
If that's not your problem, at least the flash test will completely wipe out all your memory. (not certificate though)
I just did the test on my friends calc which he let me borrow for the summer :P. It's really cool.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: TC01 on July 21, 2010, 09:16:41 pm
You can find the list of known version differences on WikiTI here (http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:OS:VersionDifferences). 1.17 and 1.18 both have no known changes. 1.19 does something with TI-Navigator, enabling its apps to write apps and appvars to write directly to Flash. I think, anyway- the text is a little corrupted.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 21, 2010, 09:26:01 pm
I hope it's not the Flash being worn out... but it's less likely to be the case. Apparently it should take decades before this happens. If it happens before, it is probably the Flash being defective or something, causing it to wear out earlier.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: qazz42 on July 21, 2010, 09:30:24 pm
If flash get worn out, what happens then?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 21, 2010, 09:31:12 pm
Basically the data in the sector gets corrupted, and you can no longer write to it. Pretty much the end of the calc at that point.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: ztrumpet on July 22, 2010, 10:09:28 am
I can't help (ztrumpet = OS Fix N00b), but good luck finale TI! ;D
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 10:56:25 am
I just started the flash self test, so we'll see what it says.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 22, 2010, 04:20:21 pm
Over 5 hours on, I ask "results?" ;D How'd it go? Anything bad?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 04:52:53 pm
I've never done a self-test before, so I don't know how long it's supposed to be, but it's still going. I've seen the 'testing flash' screen three times, and in between each time, the number it counts to before it jumps back to 'testing flash' gets higher.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 22, 2010, 04:54:48 pm
I've never done it either... can someone tell us just how self-test works? ???
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 05:02:08 pm
I know it's supposed to take a really long time, beacuse a couple years ago, when my friend and I knew almost nothing about our TI-83+'s he found and triggered the self test on his to see what it did. It took an entire weekend supposedly...
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: thepenguin77 on July 22, 2010, 05:11:50 pm
Ehhh... Maybe I should have explained further. The flash test takes roughly 2 minutes. It then repeatedly tests your ram forever. So if the numbers even appear at all, your flash is fine.
Now you should press enter to finish it up. ;)
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 22, 2010, 05:15:08 pm
Success, then! Only problem now is finding why the random crashes happen. Does 1.15 still work successfully? You might have some strange hardware revision that crashes with 1.19...
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 05:16:22 pm
OK. Then could my problems possibly be coming from a bad back-up battery?
On the about screen it says I have Cert Revision #2. Is this not compatible with OS 1.19?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 22, 2010, 05:17:45 pm
I can't see why. The calc should run fine even w/o a backup battery. If that's the problem, you have some messed-up hardware...
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 05:19:49 pm
I'm trying to send it OS 1.18 now, to see if that fixes any problems.
Edit: Nope. When I press 2nd and * at the same time, I still get a crash. That probably means the random crashes still will take place. For those who need to know, according to the about menu, it would appear I have certificate revision #2. Would this have anything to do with the crashes?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: calcdude84se on July 22, 2010, 05:50:13 pm
Very strange... but does 1.15 work? If it still works, that could give us some clues as to why it's failing.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 22, 2010, 05:53:22 pm
Where would I find a copy of 1.15?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: TC01 on July 22, 2010, 06:04:06 pm
Google it (or use any other search engine), or use WebArchive.
We can't give it to you (assuming anyone has it), just like no one can post any of the old Nspire or 84+ OSes.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: Builderboy on July 24, 2010, 03:00:40 pm
If i remember correctly, a friend of mine had a problem similar to this happen to him. Whenever you press Y= or Graph at the same time, either Ram clears would happen, garbage everywhere, or corruption. Often times it would just clear Ram on its own :( I dont think we were ever able to fix it
Hopefully a new OS will solve your problem
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 29, 2010, 04:19:35 pm
Or if you find a site called Espace TI-83 Plus, I think they have OS 1.12 through 1.16 hosted. Not sure anymore, though. The site is in French.
Also I wonder if this could be the same issue as my 83+ is having but worse?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: qazz42 on July 29, 2010, 11:20:46 pm
"dj is right, go to it now!!!" Errr, no DJ, it does not exsist anymore ;)
hint: I am a liar
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 30, 2010, 02:42:41 am
If I remember, the site linked to TI site for OS 1.16 but hosted 1.12 through 1.15 themselves. The site is no longer updated, though. (It's still online, btw, with the OSes, although the link to 1.16 is broken)
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on July 30, 2010, 09:04:27 am
Thanks! I just downloaded OS 1.15, and I'll try it out later. But if that doesn't work, perhaps TI-Cares could help? j/k
On a side note, I think I figured out what TI-Cares means:
Spoiler For Spoiler:
TI-Cares:
T - Texas I - Instruments
C - Cans A - A R - Response E - Ensuingly S - Sending it
Texas Instruments cans a response, ensuingly sending it.
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 30, 2010, 03:29:09 pm
O.o?
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: FinaleTI on August 25, 2010, 06:46:43 pm
It means they 'can' a response, then send it when you ask for help. (they just send out generic responses.)
On another note, OS 1.15 doesn't change anything, the keypresses will still crash it, and it also randomly RAM Clears as well... :'(
I wonder if TI-Cares would actually be able to help, or if I'd be better off trying to fix the calc myself.... :-\
Title: Re: Help with sending new OS to TI 83+ SE
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 25, 2010, 10:24:42 pm