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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: Munchor on October 18, 2010, 08:54:10 am
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Hey everyone, to get MirageOS in my Ti Nspire Touchpad, I need ndless?
THanks
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is there mirageOS for nspire?
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You need the Ti 84 keypad for MirageOS, but I reccomend DoorsCS as it is fully compatible with Nspires.
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You need the Ti 84 keypad for MirageOS, but I reccomend DoorsCS as it is fully compatible with Nspires.
Is it possible to run asm programs (e.g. TI-Boy SE) in in a Nspire with DoorsCS 7.0?
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TI-Boy SE does not run on TI-Nspire at all.
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And it's an App. Apps don't use any shell.
TI-Boy doesn't work because the nspire emulates the 84+ in a very weird (and fairly inaccurate) way, and some functions that TI doesn't think exist (AKA Undocumented functions) don't work. TI-Boy needs these functions to work.
MirageOS doesn't work for the same reason, but brandonw made a patch program called MOSPatch that fixes it. TI-Boy cannot be fixed in this manner.
Other Asm progs can be run in Doors CS, MirageOS or even from the homescreen! (Catalog, Asm(prgmASMPROG))
Hope that helps.
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And it's an App. Apps don't use any shell.
TI-Boy doesn't work because the nspire emulates the 84+ in a very weird (and fairly inaccurate) way, and some functions that TI doesn't think exist (AKA Undocumented functions) don't work. TI-Boy needs these functions to work.
MirageOS doesn't work for the same reason, but brandonw made a patch program called MOSPatch that fixes it. TI-Boy cannot be fixed in this manner.
Other Asm progs can be run in Doors CS, MirageOS or even from the homescreen! (Catalog, Asm(prgmASMPROG))
Hope that helps.
Thanks Willrandship, it was very helpful to understand why some programs do run in asm while others don't.
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You need the Ti 84 keypad for MirageOS, but I reccomend DoorsCS as it is fully compatible with Nspires.
Is it possible to run asm programs (e.g. TI-Boy SE) in in a Nspire with DoorsCS 7.0?
Not without the 84+ keypad. I suggest Doors over Mirage because it works perfectly on the Nspire 84+ mode. At least, I got no issues so far. If you happen to dislike the mouse interface you just gotta use the tab functions documented in its wiki (I believe by pressing STATS or XTON but I am not sure anymore) or exit the APP and run everything from the home screen.
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I like Noshell, its simple and doesn't take up much space.
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Isn't it kinda unstable, though? I think some people recommended CalcUtil over Noshell. I agree that it's nice due to it size, though. I personally prefer DCS since it not only detects Axe source programs but also run xLIB and Omnicalc games
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Isn't it kinda unstable, though? I think some people recommended CalcUtil over Noshell.
CalcUtil is the slightly unstable one of the two, but I never had any glitches with either of them; and I ran them both for a while before I found Doors. :)
I recommend Doors. :) If you want Mirage, though, make sure you find the patch so it will actually run on the Nspire. ;)
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Ah ok, I got confused then. X.x
With doors the only problem that can arise is if the user is limited in memory, as the APP is 2 pages larger than the others.
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O_o Mirage is way more unstable than DCS, plus, with DCS, there is no need to install xLIB, celtic, etc
and there is TI-Basic support
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O_o Mirage is way more unstable than DCS, plus, with DCS, there is no need to install xLIB, celtic, etc
and there is TI-Basic support
So does Mirage. And is it unstable?
Btw, I thought Noshell was an app too...
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Mirage only shows basic programs with the ":" char at the beginning. Is it the same with Doors CS?
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No, all programs are shown by Doors by default.
EDIT: I believe there are ways to make it not show up, such as marking it as a subroutine by another BASIC program or adding a special header.
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no, DCS shows all...
also, Mirage has some rather... difficulties in running BASIC programs... DCS does not
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also, Mirage has some rather... difficulties in running BASIC programs... DCS does not
Really? O.o Is it slower or something? I haven't seen any slowdown, though...
What I like about MirageOS is its ASM interrupts, though.
And as for ScoutDavid, did you get it on?
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Uhh, lets just say I lost rooughly 3 days of hard work because MirageOS cleared my RAM while trying to run a Basic program >.>
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Bug? What caused it?
/me has to watch out for that...
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yes, there is high chance of RAM clear when running Basic programs from MOS
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Really? It never happened to me at all.
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Yeah same here. At least, not with Mirage 1.2...
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Yeah, I've never seen anything wrong with Mirage, except that it didn't show Mario on a friend's calc. Maybe you were using an old version?
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I always wondered about the Mario issue as well. I think that was on 83+/84+ calcs from mid 2004, right? Or maybe he downloaded the 83p file
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also, Mirage has some rather... difficulties in running BASIC programs... DCS does not
Really? O.o Is it slower or something? I haven't seen any slowdown, though...
What I like about MirageOS is its ASM interrupts, though.
And as for ScoutDavid, did you get it on?
No, I didn't. I found other OSs and trying to compare them:
Dorrs, Mirage, etc.
Which one is best?
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They're all shells, which were written for the normal 83+/84+ series. Not sure if they all work on the Nspire 84 keypad...
MOS is probably the best one for just 16 KB (one flash page), with a lot of really useful features, like ON interrupts that are really useful in ASM games ;) But if you have more mem, definitely get DoorsCS. It has xLIB and Celtic support, so you don't have to download those apps separately to run games made for them.
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MirageOs requires a patch to work on the Nspire 84+ keypad so don't forget to grab it if you're gonna go for the smaller app.
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I always wondered about the Mario issue as well. I think that was on 83+/84+ calcs from mid 2004, right? Or maybe he downloaded the 83p file
It has to do with the header falling on a different page than the rest of the code or something to this effect. Basically, UnArchiving and Archiving the program should fix it. :) Oh, and it can happen to any program, as the flaw is in Mirage's code not the code of the programs themselves. ;)
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I always wondered about the Mario issue as well. I think that was on 83+/84+ calcs from mid 2004, right? Or maybe he downloaded the 83p file
It has to do with the header falling on a different page than the rest of the code or something to this effect. Basically, UnArchiving and Archiving the program should fix it. :) Oh, and it can happen to any program, as the flaw is in Mirage's code not the code of the programs themselves. ;)
Wow, never knew that, thanks. Must have happened to Mario a lot because it's such a large prgm...
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I would say go with Doors CS 7; it's so freaking awesome (though it is large and I'm not sure about the compatibility) :D
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I don't remember if every game is compatible but one advantage of DCS is that it's still maintained, unlike Mirage, so if something doesn't work in it you can easily post a bug report on Cemetech forums and Kerm will try to address it as soon as possible. The last Mirage version dates back in 2004 and I don't know if Noshell/CalcUtil are still updated.
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NoShell is by BrandonW, so if you bug him enough, I'm sure he'd fix it.
CalcUtil is by a UTI user that I believe is no longer active. :-\
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Yeah, but I don't remember if he was still planning to work on Noshell. And yeah Magicdawn is no longer active it seems.