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Title: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 10, 2013, 04:47:44 pm
Hi everyone,

Sooo...3.6  Is this worth downloading AND will it conflict with any really good software created by some of your folks?

Thanks,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on December 10, 2013, 05:06:40 pm
Every news post about the 3.6 says the same thing : it blocks everything (Ndless and what it gives, nLaunch, downgrading) and since TI provided a lot of effort in that, they didn't improve anything else that much.
So, not worth downloading and conflicts (like big conflict) with good (like very good) software.

This except if you have 3.2.4 and J-hardware revision. In that case, you don't have Ndless and such so you may think "I don't care". But it is still not advised to upgrade because of the lack of useful new features and because even if downgrading is impossible on both OSes, it is still more possible with 3.2.4 (due to it having less protections).

Also, if you have 3.1 (or a 3.2 that is not 3.2.4), there's the possibility to install 3.6 without screwing everything up, and also to install a switching pack that would allow you to switch between 3.1 and 3.6 without needing a computer. But you won't manage that with the usual way of upgrading, you need to follow precise steps.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Adriweb on December 10, 2013, 05:12:23 pm
That ^, and also you can find TI's official changelog here :
http://education.ti.com/en/us/whats-new

So... the changes are mostly for the UI, and a tiny bit on features/fixes. And, well, anti-downgrade etc.
Also, an improvement on images on Lua scripting, which is welcome.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 10, 2013, 09:51:54 pm
Every news post about the 3.6 says the same thing : it blocks everything (Ndless and what it gives, nLaunch, downgrading) and since TI provided a lot of effort in that, they didn't improve anything else that much.
So, not worth downloading and conflicts (like big conflict) with good (like very good) software.

This except if you have 3.2.4 and J-hardware revision. In that case, you don't have Ndless and such so you may think "I don't care". But it is still not advised to upgrade because of the lack of useful new features and because even if downgrading is impossible on both OSes, it is still more possible with 3.2.4 (due to it having less protections).

Also, if you have 3.1 (or a 3.2 that is not 3.2.4), there's the possibility to install 3.6 without screwing everything up, and also to install a switching pack that would allow you to switch between 3.1 and 3.6 without needing a computer. But you won't manage that with the usual way of upgrading, you need to follow precise steps.

Hi,

Yeah, my CX CAS had 3.2.4 on it :(

I downloaded & upgraded to 3.6 man.........DANG

Well, I hope that the MePro "like" program being developed will be compatible with this.

I'd be cool with it.

By the way, I don't know what "Ndless" is and am not a Lua coder.....
Did I just screw myself or not?

Thanks & please Forgive my ignorance.....I returned my "new" calculator from The Bach company
back to TI & the model they gave me had the 3.2.4 OS on it....I don't know if it's the J hardware version..
How can I tell & would this help me insofar as programs for the CX CAS is concerned?

Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2013, 11:00:57 pm
With 3.6, you get the highest compatibility with Lua programs, but you permanently lose the right to use Ndless 3.1. I don't recommend upgrading.

As for the hardware revision, check the back of your calculator for the serial number. The end is the most important thing. For example, mine ends with P-0411B, meaning that it was manufactured in April 2011 and is hardware revision B.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: JosJuice on December 11, 2013, 10:34:18 am
By the way, I don't know what "Ndless" is and am not a Lua coder.....
Did I just screw myself or not?
Ndless is an exploit that allows running native code, so you need it if you want to run programs written in C/assembly.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on December 11, 2013, 10:49:33 am
^That. Concretely, Ndless is needed to run Doom, the GameBoyAdvance emulator and to read your converted pdfs on your calculator, among other things.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 03:35:54 pm
With 3.6, you get the highest compatibility with Lua programs, but you permanently lose the right to use Ndless 3.1. I don't recommend upgrading.

As for the hardware revision, check the back of your calculator for the serial number. The end is the most important thing. For example, mine ends with P-0411B, meaning that it was manufactured in April 2011 and is hardware revision B.

My version of hardware ends in E.......Can I still run Ndless? :)

I do have the 3.6 OS now though.

Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on December 11, 2013, 04:35:50 pm
I asked Critor on TI-Planet, he says that it is still possible through a USB/TTL interface to reprogram the Boot2 3.1 via the dock connector (and gain access to Ndless after installing OS 3.1).
But if you want more details, don't ask me, ask him :P
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 04:59:24 pm
I asked Critor on TI-Planet, he says that it is still possible through a USB/TTL interface to reprogram the Boot2 3.1 via the dock connector (and gain access to Ndless after installing OS 3.1).
But if you want more details, don't ask me, ask him :P

Hi & thank you for your kindness in asking him!

I emailed him privately as I dont' know how to change the TI Planet website to display in English.
(Maybe it never was meant to be "viewed in English".....I don't know)

Anyway, Using programs written in C/Assembly & reading converted .pdf's are what really matters to me
insofar as Ndless is concerned.

Why would TI "block" a program like Ndless?  I thought they were for this type of thing? Does it compete with their apps?
The TI CX CAS has ZERO apps you can buy & TI Tech Support never said anything about any Mechanical Engineering app
to be released (which is something I'm also interested in) at all!

Thanks,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 11, 2013, 06:34:15 pm
Hi,


Some TI-Planet content is available in both english and french.
It should default to english for guests when their computer language is not french.

Once regestired, you can set your preferred language in your user profile.

Anyway, you may ask your question in both french and english - most of us speak english too over there :)



If you did update your TI-Nspire HW-E to 3.6, then your Boot2 was also updated to 3.2.4.

To freely read PDF you need Ndless which requires OS 3.1
But OS 3.6 forbids you to install OS 3.1.
Thus you need Nlaunch, which makes Boot2 ignore the minimal installable OS version set in memory.
But Nlaunch only works with Boot2 3.1.

You then need to reflash Boot2 3.1.
This requires an external hardware: an USB/TTL interface:
(http://i.imgur.com/qgKU4xz.jpg)

By putting the TI-Nspire in Boot2 receive mode (Doc+Enter+2 while rebooting) and connecting ground, Tx and Rx to three contacts on the TI-Nspire bottom J01/Dock connector, you can reflash Boot2 3.1 with the Hyperterminal software coming with Windows up to Vista.
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

After this is done you can litterally do everything you want with your calculator, and we have comprehensive tutorials in both french and english for each step :)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 06:54:59 pm
Hi,


Some TI-Planet content is available in both english and french.
It should default to english for guests when their computer language is not french.

Once regestired, you can set your preferred language in your user profile.

Anyway, you may ask your question in both french and english - most of us speak english too over there :)



If you did update your TI-Nspire HW-E to 3.6, then your Boot2 was also updated to 3.2.4.

To freely read PDF you need Ndless which requires OS 3.1
But OS 3.6 forbids you to install OS 3.1.
Thus you need Nlaunch, which makes Boot2 ignore the minimal installable OS version set in memory.
But Nlaunch only works with Boot2 3.1.

You then need to reflash Boot2 3.1.
This requires an external hardware: an USB/TTL interface:
(http://i.imgur.com/qgKU4xz.jpg)

By putting the TI-Nspire in Boot2 receive mode (Doc+Enter+2 while rebooting) and connecting ground, Tx and Rx to three contacts on the TI-Nspire bottom J01/Dock connector, you can reflash Boot2 3.1 with the Hyperterminal software coming with Windows up to Vista.
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

After this is done you can litterally do everything you want with your calculator, and we have comprehensive tutorials in both french and english for each step :)

Hi,

Thank you for replying!

I went to TI Planet & set my default language to British English but the page still shows up in French!

Also, I don't know how to rewire the hardware of the CX CAS...Is this what the USB/TTL interface is supposed to do?

I'm a little confused.

Also, After I do the reflashing, Can I run programs in C/assembly?

I don't want to destroy my calculator.

By the way I have Windows 7 Professional, Will this have the "Hyperterminal" software you mentioned?

Thank you,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Legimet on December 11, 2013, 06:57:05 pm
You didn't update to 3.6, did you? If not, just download Ndless (http://ndlessly.wordpress.com/ndless/) and follow the user guide. critor's instructions were only meant to be used if you updated to 3.6 and thereby updated to boot2 3.2.4.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 07:20:27 pm
You didn't update to 3.6, did you? If not, just download Ndless (http://ndlessly.wordpress.com/ndless/) and follow the user guide. critor's instructions were only meant to be used if you updated to 3.6 and thereby updated to boot2 3.2.4.

Yeah, I did update to 3.6 on the handheld.

Man, I have a feeling that If I try to do the above, my 3.6 OS & the reflashed Boot 2 3.1 will ALL be shot! LOL
This would NOT make me a happy camper.

I'm not an electronics dude so I don't know what he means.

Thank you,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 11, 2013, 07:30:48 pm
It's just about connecting 3 wires - no need to know anything about electronic and I'm not an electronic dude at all either.
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

Yes, after reflashing Boot2 3.1, installing Nlaunch, launching OS 3.1, and installing Ndless, you'll be able to run C/assembly programs and PDF/image readers.

Boot2 reflashing apart, other steps only use softwares, are easy and pretty well documented online.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 08:24:57 pm
It's just about connecting 3 wires - no need to know anything about electronic and I'm not an electronic dude at all either.
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

Yes, after reflashing Boot2 3.1, installing Nlaunch, launching OS 3.1, and installing Ndless, you'll be able to run C/assembly programs and PDF/image readers.

Boot2 reflashing apart, other steps only use softwares, are easy and pretty well documented online.

So, After I do this, What will my OS actually be then?
3.1 OR 3.6?

When Boot 2 "ignores" the minimal installable OS version set in memory,
what does that leave me with basically, is what I'm asking.

Thanks,
Stefos

P.S. It looks like I have to spend $10 for the contraption from amazon.com
Can you take a look at it & tell me if that's the one to get please?

Merci
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 11, 2013, 08:48:17 pm
After you've installed Boot2 3.1 and Nlaunch, you can run either OS 3.1 or OS 3.6.

You can even have both OSes together in your TI-Nspire and switch between them when needed.
Check this: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=13213&lang=en

Like I said above, everything is possible ;)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 11, 2013, 10:27:25 pm
After you've installed Boot2 3.1 and Nlaunch, you can run either OS 3.1 or OS 3.6.

You can even have both OSes together in your TI-Nspire and switch between them when needed.
Check this: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=13213&lang=en

Like I said above, everything is possible ;)

Hi again,

Well....I went to the TI planet link you gave me & my boot 2 code version is 3.2.4.7...This is o.k right to take it to the next step
you mentioned?  It seems so.

Can you please let me know?  Also, Did you look at the amazon.com link I embedded?  Is this what I should buy?

Thanks,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 12, 2013, 06:06:39 am
No, Boot2 3.2.4.7 is not ok for this tutorial.
You need Boot2 3.1, and that's why you need to reflash it first using an USB/TTL interface first.

I could see no amazon link embedded in your post.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 12, 2013, 08:59:47 am
No, Boot2 3.2.4.7 is not ok for this tutorial.
You need Boot2 3.1, and that's why you need to reflash it first using an USB/TTL interface first.

I could see no amazon link embedded in your post.

Understood completely.....Thank you

Here's what I intend on buying as I have Win 7 professional...
http://www.amazon.com/NooElec-Adapter-Harnesses-Jumper-Compatible/dp/B009GXEF8A/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386856661&sr=1-4&keywords=usb+to+ttl+converter

Will this work?

Merci,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 12, 2013, 10:20:57 am
It looks ok.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 12, 2013, 10:44:58 am
It looks ok.

Thanks, so I'll place an order for it & post back when I get it to get help in actually doing what needs to be done.

I've never did this before!

Merci,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 21, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Hi everyone,

I now have the USB/TTL converter & did email critor.

Can anyone help me?

I don't know if he understood me completely...LOL

Thank you,
Stefos.......Aspiring Lover...LOL
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on December 21, 2013, 11:51:29 pm
Stefos i'm pretty sure all you do is push up the bottom part of the cas stick your three wires in, put them into your ttl/usb converter and plug the usb

into the computer. Then you flash boot2.img. Its in any ndless file around on ti-planet.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 22, 2013, 02:47:30 pm
Yes but you need to be very careful where you put the 3 wires, to prevent short circuits and/or frying your calc.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 22, 2013, 09:05:37 pm
Yes but you need to be very careful where you put the 3 wires, to prevent short circuits and/or frying your calc.

From what I read, critor made it sound like this couldn't happen.

So, since I don't know what I'm doing....I'm taking a BIG risk trying to run 2 OS's on my calculator.

I thought this would happen.......  This is NOT cool.

I don't think I'm going to do this folks unless someone can show me IN PERSON....
It's much too risky.

Thank you.......I should not have upgraded, then maybe I wouldn't need to go through all this mess.
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 23, 2013, 02:19:24 pm
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Unwanted contacts with adjacent pins happened to me many times.
And it never bricked the calculator.



Anyway, here's the complete process:

- remove any OS using the maintenance menu (hold Doc+Enter+EE while resetting)

- download a Boot2 3.1 image for the TI-Nspire CX:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=4617

- connect and secure the three Tx, Rx and GND wires to the Dock/J01 connector
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

- install and run a compatible terminal software (like the Hyperterminal private edition coming with Windows up to Vista)

- configure it with:
* the right COM port (check your device manager to know which one your adapter did default to)
* Baud rate = 115200
* Data = 8 bit
* Parity = none
* Stop = 1 bit
* Flow control = none

- trigger the calculator Boot2 update mode be resetting while holding Doc+Enter+2
(beware, they will be a timeout - just reset and try again if you're not fast enough)

- from the terminal send the previously downloaded file using the Xmodem protocol

- install one of the available Nlaunch packs
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 23, 2013, 03:02:29 pm
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Here: http://ourl.ca/18458 (After the person tried the Nspire Audio player)

I have to wonder if it's not a combination of this plus other things, though, such as previously running a bad Ndless program or doing a mistake with another (for example, setting Nover to dangerous AHB frequencies), then attempting to use the audio player?

In February 2002, I once bricked a TI-83 Plus Silver Edition just by trying to group archived programs together through an OS 1.13/1.14 (83+SE-only) bug before. The result was random, since in one occasion it just resulted in a calc freeze, but I suspect that this bug could result in overwriting random parts of the memory including the certificate, since in the other occasion nothing could bring the calc back.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 23, 2013, 04:42:10 pm
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Unwanted contacts with adjacent pins happened to me many times.
And it never bricked the calculator.



Anyway, here's the complete process:

- remove any OS using the maintenance menu (hold Doc+Enter+EE while resetting)

- download a Boot2 3.1 image for the TI-Nspire CX:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=4617

- connect and secure the three Tx, Rx and GND wires to the Dock/J01 connector
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

- install and run a compatible terminal software (like the Hyperterminal private edition coming with Windows up to Vista)

- configure it with:
* the right COM port (check your device manager to know which one your adapter did default to)
* Baud rate = 115200
* Data = 8 bit
* Parity = none
* Stop = 1 bit
* Flow control = none

- trigger the calculator Boot2 update mode be resetting while holding Doc+Enter+2
(beware, they will be a timeout - just reset and try again if you're not fast enough)

- from the terminal send the previously downloaded file using the Xmodem protocol

- install one of the available Nlaunch packs

Quote
Here: http://ourl.ca/18458 (After the person tried the Nspire Audio player)

I have to wonder if it's not a combination of this plus other things, though, such as previously running a bad Ndless program or doing a mistake with another (for example, setting Nover to dangerous AHB frequencies), then attempting to use the audio player?

In February 2002, I once bricked a TI-83 Plus Silver Edition just by trying to group archived programs together through an OS 1.13/1.14 (83+SE-only) bug before. The result was random, since in one occasion it just resulted in a calc freeze, but I suspect that this bug could result in overwriting random parts of the memory including the certificate, since in the other occasion nothing could bring the calc back.

Okay fellas!

What's going on here?

One person is telling me: NO problems if you screw up

The other is telling me: BIG problems if you screw up

I know it's my fault for upgrading but this is a tad wee too much.

Can someone please clarify?

Thank you,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on December 23, 2013, 04:48:34 pm
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Here: http://ourl.ca/18458 (After the person tried the Nspire Audio player)


A non-responding TouchPad happened to me many times in various situations.
The post isn't comprehensive, so we can't even be sure a shortcut was  the cause.
And he didn't reply after being told how to remove the battery (full reset as some things like the SRAM aren't properly resetted with the button on the back).

Anyway, the pin for the audio player is not adjacent and completely different.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: lkj on December 23, 2013, 06:37:56 pm
Can someone please clarify?

I shortcut all pins many times when trying out things and nothing bad happened.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 23, 2013, 11:34:25 pm
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Here: http://ourl.ca/18458 (After the person tried the Nspire Audio player)


A non-responding TouchPad happened to me many times in various situations.
The post isn't comprehensive, so we can't even be sure a shortcut was  the cause.
And he didn't reply after being told how to remove the battery (full reset as some things like the SRAM aren't properly resetted with the button on the back).

Anyway, the pin for the audio player is not adjacent and completely different.
Yeah, unfortunately, when his calc stopped working, I think he pretty much gave up on anything calculator-related, because he didn't post in a while then he posted like 10 times at most before leaving for good.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Vogtinator on December 24, 2013, 06:37:48 am
Quote
Anyway, the pin for the audio player is not adjacent and completely different.
Wrong, RX,TX,GND,GPIO :/

I removed the battery BEFORE soldering, so nothing bad can happen even if you short the pins. Just look at the pins several times at a different angle so you can be sure not to short anything, and then insert the battery again. My calc still lives after several solder sessions.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Adriweb on December 24, 2013, 07:21:53 am
IIRC, the GND can be gotten from the pin located towards the right, and not the one by RX and TX, so it's a bit better....
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Vogtinator on December 24, 2013, 07:26:26 am
Yup, the two slightly longer pins are GND.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on December 24, 2013, 02:07:21 pm
Yup, the two slightly longer pins are GND.

IIRC, the GND can be gotten from the pin located towards the right, and not the one by RX and TX, so it's a bit better....

Quote
Anyway, the pin for the audio player is not adjacent and completely different.

Wrong, RX,TX,GND,GPIO :/

I removed the battery BEFORE soldering, so nothing bad can happen even if you short the pins. Just look at the pins several times at a different angle so you can be sure not to short anything, and then insert the battery again. My calc still lives after several solder sessions.

Hi Gents,

Thanks for your input but I've never done this before & don't feel like bricking this calculator!

Sorry but I'll pass for now until I find someone physically to help me.

The calculator just costs too much for me to play games with!

Thanks,
Stefos..........What a waste of $10 for a USB/TTL converter!
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on December 25, 2013, 04:40:57 am
Can I use this adaptor to do the rs232?

https://core-electronics.com.au/store/index.php/usb-to-ttl-serial-uart-rs232-adaptor-pl2303hx.html

Rather than using the big port i think it's a bit of a simpler connection
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on December 25, 2013, 08:48:56 am
Thanks for your input but I've never done this before & don't feel like bricking this calculator!

Sorry but I'll pass for now until I find someone physically to help me.

I know it can be scary to hear ... even if I don't feel the warnings are appropriate here.
I never removed the battery when doing stuff on the docking port, the worst thing I experimented when shortcutting pins was ... a reboot.

My setup, without soldering, I use a piece of plastic to maintain the whole :
https://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=4&image_id=188
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on December 27, 2013, 03:58:32 am
Can someone (like critor) answer my question please?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Jim Bauwens on December 27, 2013, 05:32:29 am
Can someone (like critor) answer my question please?

It should work.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on January 07, 2014, 03:56:55 am
Another question, will my windows xp recognise the calculator on hyperterminal without the  ti nspire student software installed?

I've already got the software installed on my mac and I don't require it on the windows.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 07, 2014, 08:32:41 am
without the  ti nspire student software installed?.
You know about TI Nspire Computer Link Software, right ?
Hyperterminal [...]  ti nspire student software
Both are unrelated. The drivers tincs installs are for usb to usb connections. Hyperterminal is used for boot2 transfers using a ttl to usb converter. Thus you need the converter drivers if it requires some, not the nspire ones.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on January 08, 2014, 10:11:11 pm
My cable for rs232 came today from here https://core-electronics.com.au/store/index.php/usb-to-ttl-serial-uart-rs232-adaptor-pl2303hx.html

However i can't plug it into the nspire- there are black covers at the top of the wires preventing me from doing so.

Anyone able to help me?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 08, 2014, 10:29:49 pm
My cable for rs232 came today from here https://core-electronics.com.au/store/index.php/usb-to-ttl-serial-uart-rs232-adaptor-pl2303hx.html

However i can't plug it into the nspire- there are black covers at the top of the wires preventing me from doing so.

Anyone able to help me?

Hey man,

I have pretty much the same thing.

I believe that if you don't get someone who knows what they're doing....You probably will brick the calculator.

It's a shame I upgraded my OS.....I guess the best option is to try to downgrade instead to 3.2.4

Does ANYONE here know how to help us in this request?  Is it worth it to downgrade to 3.2.4 IF we have 3.6.0?

How would I or Springboy go ahead to do this?


Any help is always appreciated,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 09, 2014, 12:37:05 am
Does ANYONE here know how to help us in this request?  Is it worth it to downgrade to 3.2.4 IF we have 3.6.0?

But you can't downgrade to 3.2.4 either since 3.6 sets minimal version to its own.

My cable for rs232 came today from here https://core-electronics.com.au/store/index.php/usb-to-ttl-serial-uart-rs232-adaptor-pl2303hx.html

However i can't plug it into the nspire- there are black covers at the top of the wires preventing me from doing so.

Anyone able to help me?

What is preventing you from removing them ?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on January 09, 2014, 12:53:37 am
What is preventing you from removing them ?
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I try tugging at the black things and nothing happens at all. What should I do?

Here's a quick photo I took of the things

EDIT: Problem looks like it's going to be fixed, just needed a pair of pliers


Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 09, 2014, 01:14:51 am
I guess the best option is to try to downgrade instead to 3.2.4
Since that's impossible, the only option would be to sell your calc on Ebay to cover the purchase of an older one, but when buying another used Nspire, ask the seller what's the serial number on the back first and what OS the machine runs. Else, the other option is to buy a different calculator model instead (assuming your school allows it). The Nspire will only get more and more locked down as time goes by.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 09, 2014, 06:49:23 pm
I guess the best option is to try to downgrade instead to 3.2.4
Since that's impossible, the only option would be to sell your calc on Ebay to cover the purchase of an older one, but when buying another used Nspire, ask the seller what's the serial number on the back first and what OS the machine runs. Else, the other option is to buy a different calculator model instead (assuming your school allows it). The Nspire will only get more and more locked down as time goes by.

Hi DJ Omnimaga,

I decided to upgrade thinking benefit would happen & it didn't in a major way.

I wanted the nicety of being able to read .pdfs & download others programs.

It wasn't a need but a want.....as long as an MePro type program is made...I'll stick to what I have.
I can't afford another 3.2.1 OS Nspire CX CAS....Viewing .pdf's is nothing really...Using other people's created programs
I can still do via the LUA programs made.

Thank you sir for all your help,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on January 09, 2014, 07:30:39 pm
I can't seem to get the wires wedged into the connector - anybody got a good solution for this?

EDIT: Now my entire adaptor is gone - luckily the calculator's unharmed.

I'll just stick with Lua
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 09, 2014, 08:59:06 pm
I guess the best option is to try to downgrade instead to 3.2.4
Since that's impossible, the only option would be to sell your calc on Ebay to cover the purchase of an older one, but when buying another used Nspire, ask the seller what's the serial number on the back first and what OS the machine runs. Else, the other option is to buy a different calculator model instead (assuming your school allows it). The Nspire will only get more and more locked down as time goes by.

Hi DJ Omnimaga,

I decided to upgrade thinking benefit would happen & it didn't in a major way.

I wanted the nicety of being able to read .pdfs & download others programs.

It wasn't a need but a want.....as long as an MePro type program is made...I'll stick to what I have.
I can't afford another 3.2.1 OS Nspire CX CAS....Viewing .pdf's is nothing really...Using other people's created programs
I can still do via the LUA programs made.

Thank you sir for all your help,
Stefos

Actually, there are some great news from Critor and TI-Planet regarding PDF reading: They have now released MViewer CX, which doesn't require Ndless (unlike the other MViewer app) and is supported by OS 3.6, taking advantage of the Lua improvements over the last few OS updates: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13663&p=154791#p154791

It also has image support with zooming (which is apparently not slow, due to how much faster image support is in OS 3.2 or higher compared to 3.1. The app is supposed to work on older OSes as well.

The converter requires a TI-Planet account, though. Hopefully you can manage to sign up even if you don't speak French.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 09, 2014, 09:10:09 pm
I can't seem to get the wires wedged into the connector - anybody got a good solution for this?

EDIT: Now my entire adaptor is gone - luckily the calculator's unharmed.

I'll just stick with Lua

Springboy,

Look man...If you don't have a friend who knows what he's doing with your expensive calculator, I'd stop.

Don't brick your CX CAS!!!!

Don't do it! Please.
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 09, 2014, 09:14:46 pm
I guess the best option is to try to downgrade instead to 3.2.4
Since that's impossible, the only option would be to sell your calc on Ebay to cover the purchase of an older one, but when buying another used Nspire, ask the seller what's the serial number on the back first and what OS the machine runs. Else, the other option is to buy a different calculator model instead (assuming your school allows it). The Nspire will only get more and more locked down as time goes by.

Hi DJ Omnimaga,

I decided to upgrade thinking benefit would happen & it didn't in a major way.

I wanted the nicety of being able to read .pdfs & download others programs.

It wasn't a need but a want.....as long as an MePro type program is made...I'll stick to what I have.
I can't afford another 3.2.1 OS Nspire CX CAS....Viewing .pdf's is nothing really...Using other people's created programs
I can still do via the LUA programs made.

Thank you sir for all your help,
Stefos

Actually, there are some great news from Critor and TI-Planet regarding PDF reading: They have now released MViewer CX, which doesn't require Ndless (unlike the other MViewer app) and is supported by OS 3.6, taking advantage of the Lua improvements over the last few OS updates: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13663&p=154791#p154791

It also has image support with zooming (which is apparently not slow, due to how much faster image support is in OS 3.2 or higher compared to 3.1. The app is supposed to work on older OSes as well.

The converter requires a TI-Planet account, though. Hopefully you can manage to sign up even if you don't speak French.

DJOmnimaga,

You're the man brother!

Thank you,
Stefos

P.S......Going to tiplanet right now! 9:14pm ET
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 09, 2014, 09:15:47 pm
Lol you should actually thank Critor, not me, since he worked on this app. I haven't done any Nspire dev ever except some messing around with TI-BASIC back in 2009. :P (I do HP Prime and 84+CSE programming)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 10, 2014, 01:37:26 am
I got mViewer to work on ndless but when I get on 3.6 and try to start it all I get is "This document format is not supported. mviewer_cx.tns"
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Springyboy on January 10, 2014, 02:26:01 am
Does anyone have any good usb ttl converter that they used? Where could I buy it online?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 10, 2014, 02:29:57 am
I got mViewer to work on ndless but when I get on 3.6 and try to start it all I get is "This document format is not supported. mviewer_cx.tns"
For 3.6 you need mViewer CX, not mViewer.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Adriweb on January 10, 2014, 07:09:32 am
No : mViewer GX (http://tiplanet.org/forum/editgx.php) is for 3.X (especially 3.2 - 3.6) since it's made in Lua
And mViewer CX (http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=6601) is for 3.1 with Ndless (so obviously this won't work on 3.2 - 3.6 since Ndless 3.1 is for, well... 3.1)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 10, 2014, 12:04:19 pm
Does anyone have any good usb ttl converter that they used? Where could I buy it online?

Hey springyboy, if you haven't seen already on page 2 of this thread, here's a nice link http://www.amazon.com/NooElec-Adapter-Harnesses-Jumper-Compatible/dp/B009GXEF8A/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386856661&sr=1-4&keywords=usb+to+ttl+converter

No : mViewer GX (http://tiplanet.org/forum/editgx.php) is for 3.X (especially 3.2 - 3.6) since it's made in Lua
And mViewer CX (http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=6601) is for 3.1 with Ndless (so obviously this won't work on 3.2 - 3.6 since Ndless 3.1 is for, well... 3.1)

thanks adriweb because I am using 4.1 mv cx.
does mViewer GX require a program to work? or with the link you provided to GX do I just convert the image and directly onpen the image in the calculator? because I can't find a program for GX anywhere
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Adriweb on January 10, 2014, 12:26:45 pm
mViewer GX Creator (the link I posted) generated a .tns file from whatever you uploaded (imges, pdf) that you can directly open (the viewer program is contained)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 10, 2014, 01:27:15 pm
I thought I figured out my problem. I was only using mViewer 4.1 which so for ndless only so I tried using mv3.3 on OS3.6 but I still get the same exact error "This document format is not supported. mviewer_cx.tns"
This error also occurs when I try to open at xxx.png.tns file (not made with GX, just renamed)

***Is there a mViewer GX that converts images instead of only pdfs?***
nvm, I'm reading that it does do images. trying it now


EDIT: Thanks for clearing this up for me adriweb, is there anyway to get an offline version of this program?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 10, 2014, 01:31:50 pm
Read again the above posts, you missed something obvious.
Bonus fact : mViewer GX does not generate .png.tns
Title: Re: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 10, 2014, 05:29:50 pm
Oh right the 3.2+ compatible mViewer is GX, not CX. I miixed them up because I thought that mViewer CX was just called mViewer.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 10, 2014, 05:44:19 pm
Read again the above posts, you missed something obvious.
Bonus fact : mViewer GX does not generate .png.tns
Oh right the 3.2+ compatible mViewer is GX, not CX. I miixed them up because I thought that mViewer CX was just called mViewer.

O.K. folks...This is probably the WORST experience I've had on a calculator site.

I went to TI planet and changed my default language to British English...The site is still all in French.
Is this the way it's supposed to work?

Also,

Which version of MViewer is used for the CX CAS please?
You've thoroughly confused me & TI planet, seeing as it's all in French, doesn't do me any good right now either! LOL

Please help...Much obliged
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: The_King on January 10, 2014, 08:17:28 pm

Also,

Which version of MViewer is used for the CX CAS please?
You've thoroughly confused me & TI planet, seeing as it's all in French, doesn't do me any good right now either! LOL

Please help...Much obliged
Stefos

depending on your os

mviewer cx if you have 3.1

mviewer gx if 3.2 or higher
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 10, 2014, 08:30:53 pm

Also,

Which version of MViewer is used for the CX CAS please?
You've thoroughly confused me & TI planet, seeing as it's all in French, doesn't do me any good right now either! LOL

Please help...Much obliged
Stefos

depending on your os

mviewer cx if you have 3.1

mviewer gx if 3.2 or higher

I get it.

This seems to be an online program only.

I thought this was an app that you downloaded on to the CX CAS.

This is where the confusion is coming in.
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 11, 2014, 04:10:43 am
O.K. folks...This is probably the WORST experience I've had on a calculator site.

I went to TI planet and changed my default language to British English...The site is still all in French.
Is this the way it's supposed to work?
Thanks for the compliment.

What do you expect to change from a French forum when you switch language ?
Do you really expect all the content to change ? Even the people messages ?
Only most important news on TI-Planet are translated in English because its an additional work beside the original French news. Also, all the layout of TI-Planet is using PHPBB language system, so the entire layout is translated when switching language. Last but not least, the custom pages are also translated by hand, and mViewer GX is one of them.

I've just changed my settings and everything works as expected, so show me a screenshot of what you call "the site is still all in French".

PS : Yes, I'm mad to hear such false criticism. Also, your message may be inappropriate according to Omnimaga rules "Our goal is to provide a discussion environment free from hostility" : http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2

edit:

Quote
This seems to be an online program only.

Its not "an online program only", its an online generator (the G in mViewer GX) that gives you the opportunity to """view""" PDF or images on you calculator (just to remind you some principles or what is the goal of a calculator). You don't imagine the constant fight we are having in order to make mViewer GX generate reliable files in term of memory usage due to that silly TI code. Please considerate and understand our choices (and pain). Thanks.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 11, 2014, 11:58:32 am
Read again the above posts, you missed something obvious.
Bonus fact : mViewer GX does not generate .png.tns
Oh right the 3.2+ compatible mViewer is GX, not CX. I miixed them up because I thought that mViewer CX was just called mViewer.

O.K. folks...This is probably the WORST experience I've had on a calculator site.

I went to TI planet and changed my default language to British English...The site is still all in French.
Is this the way it's supposed to work?

Also,

Which version of MViewer is used for the CX CAS please?
You've thoroughly confused me & TI planet, seeing as it's all in French, doesn't do me any good right now either! LOL

Please help...Much obliged
Stefos

I have the same problem, so I just use google chrome and it automatically asks me if i want all the french translated to english.
For some of the more prasistant pages I will actually go to google translate .com
It works really well

Its not "an online program only", its an online generator (the G in mViewer GX) that gives you the opportunity to """view""" PDF or images on you calculator (just to remind you some principles or what is the goal of a calculator). You don't imagine the constant fight we are having in order to make mViewer GX generate reliable files in term of memory usage due to that silly TI code. Please considerate and understand our choices (and pain). Thanks.

Could you enlighten us?
Sense the generator (which is a program in itself isn't it?) seems done, what constant battle could there be?
It would be nice if they made this generator (program) downloadable so we wouldn't need an internet connection.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 11, 2014, 12:06:23 pm
I have the same problem, so I just use google chrome and it automatically asks me if i want all the french translated to english.
But the layout is in english, right ?
The user posts aren't automaticly translated if that's the initial question ... only the stuff we can translate is translated by hand to ensure accurate content.

Quote
Sense the generator (which is a program in itself isn't it?) seems done, what constant battle could there be?
The generator is not accurate if you want to convert more than 6 pages of PDF, that is what we are currently trying to solve, this is our constant fight.

Quote
It would be nice if they made this generator (program) downloadable so we wouldn't need an internet connection.
Having an online tool is good for multiple reason :
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 11, 2014, 12:42:30 pm
ah I see, thanks Levak : )
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 11, 2014, 04:56:27 pm
PS : Yes, I'm mad to hear such false criticism. Also, your message may be inappropriate according to Omnimaga rules "Our goal is to provide a discussion environment free from hostility" : http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2
Well it isn't written there since rules tries to be as short as possible, but indeed Omnimaga discourages bashing other community sites (unless people on the other site decided to do this to us, but even then public complaining about it would probably be discouraged here unless it became clear the other site had declared war on us). Omnimaga members certainly don't like when another calculator website engages into cheap shots against the site they invest a lot of time into. There are better ways to complain about a website problem , such as telling people there directly instead of in their back.


That said, as much as I agree about the online state of Mviewer GX, it would be nice if eventually there was a standalone alternative if there's enough demand (such as TokenIDE being an alternative to SourceCoder). Some people like Juju have no internet connection at home for financial reasons and most US school filters rivals North Korea's Internet filters. It is not a big hurry, though, and a lot of great effort was put in mViewer already. Heck, maybe if people want an offline version they could try to help making it a reality? ;) One big concern I have is that Adobe Acrobat is constantly updated with new features. As people upgrade, there are chances that more and more PDF files won't be convertable anymore using mViewer GX if there are two versions to maintain, delaying updates.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Levak on January 11, 2014, 05:48:34 pm
One big concern I have is that Adobe Acrobat is constantly updated with new features. As people upgrade, there are chances that more and more PDF files won't be convertable anymore using mViewer GX if there are two versions to maintain, delaying updates.

If this is your biggest fear, you may be pleased to hear that mViewer GX core code doesn't process any PDF directly. It uses external libraries to generate the tns. Most of the work is done in the standalone Lua script, not actually in the generator.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Stauf99 on January 11, 2014, 05:52:02 pm
I think it's fine as long as pdfs can be converted into images, then they can be GX converted.

It's nice that they are getting rid of the middle step but in my mind it's unnecessary enough to send out a downloadable version that will do just images.

not worried at all though, just how I feel. and it's awesome what has been done thus far.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 12, 2014, 03:14:19 pm
One big concern I have is that Adobe Acrobat is constantly updated with new features. As people upgrade, there are chances that more and more PDF files won't be convertable anymore using mViewer GX if there are two versions to maintain, delaying updates.

If this is your biggest fear, you may be pleased to hear that mViewer GX core code doesn't process any PDF directly. It uses external libraries to generate the tns. Most of the work is done in the standalone Lua script, not actually in the generator.
Ah that's better then :D
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 13, 2014, 11:21:22 am
O.K. folks...This is probably the WORST experience I've had on a calculator site.

I went to TI planet and changed my default language to British English...The site is still all in French.
Is this the way it's supposed to work?
Thanks for the compliment.

What do you expect to change from a French forum when you switch language ?
Do you really expect all the content to change ? Even the people messages ?
Only most important news on TI-Planet are translated in English because its an additional work beside the original French news. Also, all the layout of TI-Planet is using PHPBB language system, so the entire layout is translated when switching language. Last but not least, the custom pages are also translated by hand, and mViewer GX is one of them.

I've just changed my settings and everything works as expected, so show me a screenshot of what you call "the site is still all in French".

PS : Yes, I'm mad to hear such false criticism. Also, your message may be inappropriate according to Omnimaga rules "Our goal is to provide a discussion environment free from hostility" : http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2

edit:

Quote
This seems to be an online program only.

Its not "an online program only", its an online generator (the G in mViewer GX) that gives you the opportunity to """view""" PDF or images on you calculator (just to remind you some principles or what is the goal of a calculator). You don't imagine the constant fight we are having in order to make mViewer GX generate reliable files in term of memory usage due to that silly TI code. Please considerate and understand our choices (and pain). Thanks.

First of all sir....My comment was in regards to upgrading to OS version 3.6

I do apologize that I was not clear about that.  I own it.

Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.

Third, I should have not upgraded to OS 3.6 and I get what I deserve as a result.

Finally, I'll be posting on this website only from here on out.

Thank you for everything,
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on January 13, 2014, 12:22:38 pm
Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2014, 09:13:56 pm
Actually this comes back to the whole Google Translate solution. It's not perfect, but it does the job most of the time and translates everything. I use it when visiting Cncalc.org.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 14, 2014, 09:51:35 am
Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
  • It is not because one site translates everything that every site should, otherwise, none would translate anything because there is one English website (Omnimaga) so every website would have to be in English.
  • The content on the forums on Histwar Les Grognards are not translated, they are only available in English. Only the buttons and the sentences such as "Welcome, Guest. Please login or register." are available in different languages. On the contrary on TI Planet, the content (which is why you need most, because even Google translate is enough to understand the few words on a button and browse a website) is translated, for most interesting news and tutorials.
  • TI Planet is not a website about a paid game. The people who made Histwar Les Grognards's website were paid to do it, so they did it, and they are going to earn even more money now that everyone can browse their website, while people who made TI Planet translated their content for free.
Look,

Your post sounds more like harassment & you've come across like a jerk.

Who asked for YOUR particular opinion?  Not me.

Thanks but I don't need your "insights"

Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Adriweb on January 14, 2014, 11:18:10 am
Then go complain somewhere else, seriously.
Having such a behaviour will not make people help you.

And telling you this, I'm already helping you being a better person ; how nice of me.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on January 14, 2014, 12:13:35 pm
Your post sounds more like harassment
This can't be harassment since I only posted once (before that post) about the translation topic, so go get a dictionnary (among other things) before posting about words (among other things) you don't know.

you've come across like a jerk.
I don't think I need to comment this...

Who asked for YOUR particular opinion?  Not me.
Yeah, so no one would vote for the president because no one's opinion was particularly asked for. Once again you show some logic there.

Thanks but I don't need your "insights"
Indeed, you need more than this.
Title: Re: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2014, 12:35:48 pm
When someone disagree with your opinion, he is free to counter it with his own, even if he was not involved, especially when it comes to innapropriate behavior. You should be grateful stefos that people tried to help you with your TI-Nspire and to improve. Now that you repeatedly broke forum rules, it's gonna get much harder for you to get calculator help and feedback on your projects.
Thanks but I don't need your "insights"
Indeed, you need more than this.
A ban? O.O (Actually I think this would require about three staff warnings first. EDIT: Nvm it seems even members bringing up the rules multiple times did it)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: shmibs on January 14, 2014, 01:02:11 pm
Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
  • It is not because one site translates everything that every site should, otherwise, none would translate anything because there is one English website (Omnimaga) so every website would have to be in English.
  • The content on the forums on Histwar Les Grognards are not translated, they are only available in English. Only the buttons and the sentences such as "Welcome, Guest. Please login or register." are available in different languages. On the contrary on TI Planet, the content (which is why you need most, because even Google translate is enough to understand the few words on a button and browse a website) is translated, for most interesting news and tutorials.
  • TI Planet is not a website about a paid game. The people who made Histwar Les Grognards's website were paid to do it, so they did it, and they are going to earn even more money now that everyone can browse their website, while people who made TI Planet translated their content for free.
Look,

Your post sounds more like harassment & you've come across like a jerk.

Who asked for YOUR particular opinion?  Not me.

Thanks but I don't need your "insights"

Stefos

you have just crossed the line into harassment yourself, despite receiving multiple hints from other members that you should stop. enjoy your temporary ban and feel free to come back in a few days when you cool down a bit.

EDIT: also, at Levak and Hayleia, getting angry in response to someone only makes things worse.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Xeda112358 on January 14, 2014, 01:27:09 pm
I believe there is a language barrier issue going on here.

Keep in mind that while Omnimaga is primarily an English speaking forum, we have many members whose first language was not English. It is possible that most people here aren't native English speakers.

It is very easy to cause confusion when not talking about programming and it is easy to insult people unintentionally. Stefos' post that kind of started it all was a post of frustration and I think it wasn't intended to insult anybody. However, it was insulting.

I think that due to the expectations Stefos' had, they have grown up in a culture where only one language is spoken, or if any other languages are present, it is always translated from English not to English. This could cause the naive expectation that non-English languages have a natural translation to English that can be easily completed by a computer, or anything other than oneself.

Something that is normally funny, but may be insulting here, is the following quote:
Quote from: Hot_Dog's Signature
There are people who can speak two languages, and they are called bilingual.  There are people who speak three languages and are therefore trilingual.  Then there are people who speak one language, and these people are called Americans.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Eeems on January 14, 2014, 01:44:18 pm
Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
  • It is not because one site translates everything that every site should, otherwise, none would translate anything because there is one English website (Omnimaga) so every website would have to be in English.
  • The content on the forums on Histwar Les Grognards are not translated, they are only available in English. Only the buttons and the sentences such as "Welcome, Guest. Please login or register." are available in different languages. On the contrary on TI Planet, the content (which is why you need most, because even Google translate is enough to understand the few words on a button and browse a website) is translated, for most interesting news and tutorials.
  • TI Planet is not a website about a paid game. The people who made Histwar Les Grognards's website were paid to do it, so they did it, and they are going to earn even more money now that everyone can browse their website, while people who made TI Planet translated their content for free.
Look,

Your post sounds more like harassment & you've come across like a jerk.

Who asked for YOUR particular opinion?  Not me.

Thanks but I don't need your "insights"

Stefos
May I also point out that this is the internet, and a forum. You don't have to ask specific people for their opinion to get it.

If you feel like any member is acting inappropriately towards you or any other member instead of lashing out at them on the forum, please press the report to moderator link on the right side of the post and let the admins who run this site (ie: me) deal with this.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 19, 2014, 03:18:54 pm
I believe there is a language barrier issue going on here.

Keep in mind that while Omnimaga is primarily an English speaking forum, we have many members whose first language was not English. It is possible that most people here aren't native English speakers.

It is very easy to cause confusion when not talking about programming and it is easy to insult people unintentionally. Stefos' post that kind of started it all was a post of frustration and I think it wasn't intended to insult anybody. However, it was insulting.

I think that due to the expectations Stefos' had, they have grown up in a culture where only one language is spoken, or if any other languages are present, it is always translated from English not to English. This could cause the naive expectation that non-English languages have a natural translation to English that can be easily completed by a computer, or anything other than oneself.

Something that is normally funny, but may be insulting here, is the following quote:
Quote from: Hot_Dog's Signature
There are people who can speak two languages, and they are called bilingual.  There are people who speak three languages and are therefore trilingual.  Then there are people who speak one language, and these people are called Americans.


You're right!

There is a language barrier but I won't go back to that website nor will I ask anyone a question here again openly.

I've never been so misunderstood and thrown under the bus in this way.

PM's from now on only!

Stefos
Title: Re: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 20, 2014, 01:12:05 pm
Considering that most people (including many non-english-speaking people) prefer Omnimaga to other calc sites because they feel it's less hostile, and that they usually come back even after misunderstandings, I don't think that many people will agree with you here.

If you think Omnimaga members tries to throw people under the bus this much, imagine what it will be on calc forums where trolls are not banned.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on January 20, 2014, 01:18:44 pm
Most people yes, but not everyone. Some people think that Omnimaga is repressive. For example you downrated me when I told aeTIos that he'd better work with Kindermoumoute rather than making another Worms clone of his own (that was a long time ago). I personally thought it was fair because it was said in the rules, it is for a greater good and you warned me when downrating me so it was more helpful than harmful, so I am fine with Omnimaga's rules. But some other people who were in a similar case thought it was unfair.

(if you wonder what I was talking about, here (http://ourl.ca/11444/217248)'s the Worms topic).
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 20, 2014, 07:21:33 pm
Yeah someone called us a dictatorship a few times last month on IRC and in the past, some group from another calc IRC channel (that no longer exists as one) basically declared war against Omni for it >.<

As for the Worms thing, I think it was more because of how many time you said your stuff than the fact you said it, since we generally encourage people to work on original calc material and projects within their programming skills, while not insisting. But again this was almost during the nDoom policy days so I was more downvote (and tempban)-happy at that time. :P

Basically, the point is that if Omni tried to put people down like stefos tries to make it sound like, I don't think the people who prefer Omni for being friendlier would have stayed either. So in other words, it's not that bad, and incidents can happen everywhere (especially with that many members including ones who are used to their own site rules)


Maybe we should go back on the topic about how evil TI can be, though, with their anti-downgrades. (But again, there are like three or four downgrade help threads now)
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 21, 2014, 08:20:46 pm
Yeah someone called us a dictatorship a few times last month on IRC and in the past, some group from another calc IRC channel (that no longer exists as one) basically declared war against Omni for it >.<

As for the Worms thing, I think it was more because of how many time you said your stuff than the fact you said it, since we generally encourage people to work on original calc material and projects within their programming skills, while not insisting. But again this was almost during the nDoom policy days so I was more downvote (and tempban)-happy at that time. :P

Basically, the point is that if Omni tried to put people down like stefos tries to make it sound like, I don't think the people who prefer Omni for being friendlier would have stayed either. So in other words, it's not that bad, and incidents can happen everywhere (especially with that many members including ones who are used to their own site rules)


Maybe we should go back on the topic about how evil TI can be, though, with their anti-downgrades. (But again, there are like three or four downgrade help threads now)

DJ Omnimaga,

I never once said "Omni tried to put people down like stefos tries to make it sound like."

It's not this website but because of my not being extremely precise when posting, certain people
have decided to attack me......Yes, I view some of my posts as being attacked by others.

Instead of asking me, "Hey pal, what do you mean by X, Y, Z statement" an immediate "He's bashing me"
is assumed....Of course I did make a statement towards someone here openly....No denying that fact, as well as breaching this forums rules.  No denying that either.

As Eeems said " If you feel like any member is acting inappropriately towards you or any other member instead of lashing out at them on the forum, please press the report to moderator link on the right side of the post and let the admins who run this site (ie: me) deal with this."

So, I've never had a problem with you & As of now, have no problem with anyone here.........It's a moot point :)

For me, all is cool.......I intend to keep it that way.

Have a great day!
Stefos
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 21, 2014, 11:11:03 pm
Ok good to hear. Also if an user's behavior is deemed offensive, some admins might not deal with it publicly and will just try to reason the person via PM, so it's possible that you might not see if he was warned or not.

That said, it's a good thing that the new versions of SMF software (that Omni will eventually switch to) have an ignore feature that works on posts too. Currently, we can only ignore PMs (or disable our inbox) and their shoutbox messages, not forum posts. It can be handy if somebody has problems with an user, although if the admins/moderators are notified of issues, they can try to resolve it before ignoring is considered.
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Hayleia on January 22, 2014, 12:56:08 am
Yes, I view some of my posts as being attacked by others.
Wait, Levak and I were not attacking you in any way. We were defending TI Planet.

I quote my post here so you don't even have to scroll to re-read it.

Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
  • It is not because one site translates everything that every site should, otherwise, none would translate anything because there is one English website (Omnimaga) so every website would have to be in English.
  • The content on the forums on Histwar Les Grognards are not translated, they are only available in English. Only the buttons and the sentences such as "Welcome, Guest. Please login or register." are available in different languages. On the contrary on TI Planet, the content (which is why you need most, because even Google translate is enough to understand the few words on a button and browse a website) is translated, for most interesting news and tutorials.
  • TI Planet is not a website about a paid game. The people who made Histwar Les Grognards's website were paid to do it, so they did it, and they are going to earn even more money now that everyone can browse their website, while people who made TI Planet translated their content for free.

The only time I mention you in my post is "And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination" (which is far from being as insulting as "You've come across like a jerk"), and it is followed by a "More seriously", which means that what I said about you was obviously false, that I knew it was false, that everyone here including you knew it was false, and it was just a way to show that your logic about translating websites couldn't be applied, which is what I precise with my three following points.

(And excuse my English, I am not an English native speaker so maybe my sentences don't fit my thoughts, but seriously, I never meant to attack you and I don't see where in my post you saw me attack you).
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: stefos on January 22, 2014, 09:44:32 am
Yes, I view some of my posts as being attacked by others.
Wait, Levak and I were not attacking you in any way. We were defending TI Planet.

I quote my post here so you don't even have to scroll to re-read it.

Second, No I thought the page would change to English because I've experienced this on a foreign language forum,
which actually did change the entire page.........Histwar Les Grognards game site AND it's forum does this.
And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination. More seriously:
  • It is not because one site translates everything that every site should, otherwise, none would translate anything because there is one English website (Omnimaga) so every website would have to be in English.
  • The content on the forums on Histwar Les Grognards are not translated, they are only available in English. Only the buttons and the sentences such as "Welcome, Guest. Please login or register." are available in different languages. On the contrary on TI Planet, the content (which is why you need most, because even Google translate is enough to understand the few words on a button and browse a website) is translated, for most interesting news and tutorials.
  • TI Planet is not a website about a paid game. The people who made Histwar Les Grognards's website were paid to do it, so they did it, and they are going to earn even more money now that everyone can browse their website, while people who made TI Planet translated their content for free.

The only time I mention you in my post is "And you think all blonde girls are stupid because you met one stupid blonde girl. That is called discrimination" (which is far from being as insulting as "You've come across like a jerk"), and it is followed by a "More seriously", which means that what I said about you was obviously false, that I knew it was false, that everyone here including you knew it was false, and it was just a way to show that your logic about translating websites couldn't be applied, which is what I precise with my three following points.

(And excuse my English, I am not an English native speaker so maybe my sentences don't fit my thoughts, but seriously, I never meant to attack you and I don't see where in my post you saw me attack you).

Sir, I have no issue with you......Have a nice day.

The issue(s) are closed & over.

Stefos
Title: Re: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 22, 2014, 12:00:57 pm
Yeah I agree, let's drop it.

Is this topic solved anyway? Maybe it would be best to lock it.

We should also have a sticky warning people to not upgrade to 3.6 before reading it carefully
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: tonzaysi7 on February 05, 2014, 11:49:03 am
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Unwanted contacts with adjacent pins happened to me many times.
And it never bricked the calculator.



Anyway, here's the complete process:

- remove any OS using the maintenance menu (hold Doc+Enter+EE while resetting)

- download a Boot2 3.1 image for the TI-Nspire CX:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=4617

- connect and secure the three Tx, Rx and GND wires to the Dock/J01 connector
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

- install and run a compatible terminal software (like the Hyperterminal private edition coming with Windows up to Vista)

- configure it with:
* the right COM port (check your device manager to know which one your adapter did default to)
* Baud rate = 115200
* Data = 8 bit
* Parity = none
* Stop = 1 bit
* Flow control = none

- trigger the calculator Boot2 update mode be resetting while holding Doc+Enter+2
(beware, they will be a timeout - just reset and try again if you're not fast enough)

- from the terminal send the previously downloaded file using the Xmodem protocol

- install one of the available Nlaunch packs

Hello critor, I'm trying to send the img file to the calculator but It just stuck at 0 kt/855 kt.
After a while it gives a message: "No response from system".
I have tried like 10 times but with no result. All three lights (Rx Tx and GND) are on in the USB TTL adapter so the problem isnt in the connections. I also have right configuration. Any good piece of advice will be helpful, thanks.

E: I first tried in Windows 7 but the software crashed so now I'm using Windows XP computer but still no result..
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: critor on February 05, 2014, 12:28:33 pm
The same (progress stuck at 0%) happened to me with short-circuits (Tx and Rx or Rx and GND in contact).
Try to recheck...
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: tonzaysi7 on February 05, 2014, 01:21:43 pm
The same (progress stuck at 0%) happened to me with short-circuits (Tx and Rx or Rx and GND in contact).
Try to recheck...

This time the calc cancelled the transfer... timeout?

E: Are you able to give me a link for some good cables because mine are piece of shit...
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Jose Alma on July 07, 2014, 11:53:16 am
@DJ Omnimaga: do you have a source about this ?

Unwanted contacts with adjacent pins happened to me many times.
And it never bricked the calculator.



Anyway, here's the complete process:

- remove any OS using the maintenance menu (hold Doc+Enter+EE while resetting)

- download a Boot2 3.1 image for the TI-Nspire CX:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=4617

- connect and secure the three Tx, Rx and GND wires to the Dock/J01 connector
(http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/13/23/13/53/nspire10.png)

- install and run a compatible terminal software (like the Hyperterminal private edition coming with Windows up to Vista)

- configure it with:
* the right COM port (check your device manager to know which one your adapter did default to)
* Baud rate = 115200
* Data = 8 bit
* Parity = none
* Stop = 1 bit
* Flow control = none

- trigger the calculator Boot2 update mode be resetting while holding Doc+Enter+2
(beware, they will be a timeout - just reset and try again if you're not fast enough)

- from the terminal send the previously downloaded file using the Xmodem protocol

- install one of the available Nlaunch packs

Hello, I have been reading the post and not do the last step. " from the terminal send the previously downloaded file using the Xmodem protocol"

What should I do to send the file? What should I write or I do?

No other way to downgrade? I bought my TI a few days ago and have the version 3.9

Thanks
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Streetwalrus on July 07, 2014, 11:57:13 am
Is your calculator a CX model ? Which revision (last letter of the serial) ?
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Jose Alma on July 10, 2014, 07:46:46 am
CX CAS
The last letter is M
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: Streetwalrus on July 10, 2014, 08:45:28 am
You have a revision >= J calc. Unfortunately there's no way to downgrade. Sorry. :/
Title: Re: New CX CAS OS......Worth upgrading?
Post by: tonzaysi7 on September 26, 2014, 11:23:48 am
Hello guys again! I have again tried to downgrade the boot. I'm so close to the solution but it still fails while trying to send the image through ttl.  :banghead: Connecting the Rx and Tx is clear to me but the ground (GND), should I connect it to both GND pins in the calc or is 1 enough? Also when I'm trying to send the image, it just returns me random bytes with recognizable strings like "boot". Could you explain me the use of the ground cable and how should it exactly be connected? How about an example picture with all the connections made?  ???

Info about my calc:
Spoiler For Spoiler:
Exact name: TI-nspire CX CAS
Hardware revision: F (downgradeable)
Boot1 version: 3.0.0.99
Boot2 version: 3.2.4.7
OS version: 3.6.0.550 (not currently installed but ofc written in boot2 to prevent downgrade)

EDIT: Now after numerous tries when i click send the file, select boot2.img, xmodem and press send, it just says: "Not enough memory".... please help me!

For now I have tried more than 100 times, every time with different settings: many protocols (even straight binary), different bitrates and different boot images with different names and every time i have checked that the cables are well connected and there are no shortages but still no result...

It seems to be like a communication problem because most of the errors have been timeouts. If you know anything about the Rx and Tx lights in the TTL converter, please explain how should I understand their signification.


EDIT2: HELL YEAH I made it!  :w00t:  The problem was in the USB/TTL interface but I changed to arduino uno and soldered some pins and it worked perfect. My next question: How do I downgrade because even I have boot2 version 3.10.16, the computer link doesn't allow me to install os 3.1.0 or anything below the version i had. I even tried tnocing the current 3.6.0.550 and then install it but straight after first boot the calc crashed and the os was automatically removed? ??? ???


Situation now:
Only installable OS: 3.6.0.550 (not installed)
Boot2 version: 3.10.16