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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: SatanicToothpaste on November 30, 2010, 01:12:55 am
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Hello Omnimaga.
I, along with millions of students this year, are required to purchase a new TI-Nspire CAS Touchpad (OS 2.0) in our many booklists 8) . My question to you, omnimaga, is what are the basic "things" we need to use the calculator for functions such as running homebrew programs. You seem to take the knowledge of GameBoy Color (gba4nspire or TI-Boy) emulation for granted, yet if one was to download the wrong upgrades (OS 2.1) the calculator would be rendered useless >:( . What OSes are compatible with which Ndless versions, and it it even required for gaming at all. What do we all need to buy - as rendering a $400 calculator unable to run tetris is apparently a common fate - and how do we go about doing this? ???
Is downgrading to OS 1.7 a good step, or is this impossible from 2.0. Will Ndless even work in 1.7 (and what version) or is it TOO beta for the moment. The majority of your forum can do it, so please (PLEASE) educate us in the fine art of TI-Nspire. In conclusion, what do we do and when (step by step would be nice) can we do it!?!
From Schoolies everywhere; aka SatanicToothpaste.
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Did you buy the calc yet? If not, then could you ask if a TI-Nspire CAS clickpad would do as well? Because sadly, I don't think OS 1.7 works on the Nspire CAS Touchpad. You can use Nleash to get rid of the anti-downgrade protection, but I don't think the calc will boot correctly. I don't remember about 1.1, though. To run 1.7 on the CAS Touchpad you will need to buy a TI-Nspire clickpad from TI website and good luck keeping it inserted in the calc: it's not very convenient... so if possible, get a Nspire CAS clickpad. Also, $400 seems like a bit much for a Nspire CAS. On TI website they're $160.00 but they no longer have the clickpad version for sale. I'm sure on Ebay they would go for much cheaper, too.
You would need to wait before doing anything, though, until someone with more experience on the Nspire than me answers you. In any case, if you are allowed to get a CAS clickpad model, try to get that instead. Otherwise, if you get a Touchpad, if it's impossible to get Ndless 1.1 or 1.7 on your CAS Touchpad, you will have to wait until Ndless 2.0 arrives, which could take another while.
Welcome on the forums by the way!
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as rendering a $400 calculator unable to run tetris is apparently a common fate
As first posts go, this one is pretty awesome.
Welcome to the Omni forums, hope you enjoy your stay.
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I think you should buy the Clickpad version to play and homebrew and program?.
I recommend having the 84+ Keypad to play too.
As for school, the Clickpad is fine :)
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I think you should buy the Clickpad version to play and homebrew and program?.
I recommend having the 84+ Keypad to play too.
Well... it'll require some kind of dremel and soldering work, right? And some kind of software surgery, too...
Remember: we are talking TI-Nspire CAS (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) here. You can not change Keypad on TI-Nspire CAS with Clickpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) (not even temporary like with TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas.html) where it's detachable but has slightly different form: on TI-Nspire CAS with Clickpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) it's not detachable at all!) - and an OS does not include TI-84 emulator! That's why TI-Nspire CAS ROM is smaller despite addition of CAS!
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I think you should buy the Clickpad version to play and homebrew and program?.
I recommend having the 84+ Keypad to play too.
Well... it'll require some kind of dremel and soldering work, right? And some kind of software surgery, too...
Remember: we are talking TI-Nspire CAS (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) here. You can not change Keypad on TI-Nspire CAS with Clickpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) (not even temporary like with TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas.html) where it's detachable but has slightly different form: on TI-Nspire CAS with Clickpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas_clickpad.html) it's not detachable at all!) - and an OS does not include TI-84 emulator! That's why TI-Nspire CAS ROM is smaller despite addition of CAS!
I'm pretty sure there is a new CAS wich allows keypad swaping:
Will post link in a minute
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I'm pretty sure there is a new CAS wich allows keypad swaping:
Sure:TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas.html). It's only compatible with OS 2.x and above. And you can swap keypad with another similar keypad - that's all. Keypads for regular TI-Nspire work fine if you'll manage to connect them, but they physically can not be inserted because of different form-factor!
Noone knows why TI added such an useless "feature". Perhaps for some kind of future product?
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I'm pretty sure there is a new CAS wich allows keypad swaping:
Sure:TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas.html). It's only compatible with OS 2.x and above. And you can swap keypad with another similar keypad - that's all. Keypads for regular TI-Nspire work fine if you'll manage to connect them, but they physically can not be inserted because of different form-factor!
Noone knows why TI added such an useless "feature". Perhaps for some kind of future product?
Oh, then he's doomed. Buy a regular CAS Clickpad will work, right?
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Oh, then he's doomed. Buy a regular CAS Clickpad will work, right?
Should work. From Ndless ReadMe.txt: "You need: A TI-Nspire CAS or non-CAS ClickPad. TouchPad models aren't supported except if you have a non-CAS ClickPad keypad". As I've said it's possible to attach non-CAS ClickPad to TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad, but it's quite awkward because it physically don't "click" so you need to forcefully keep it in place.
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Wasn't there a detachable clickpad keypad for Nspire CAS touchpads for a while for people that wanted to use the old one? If not, then I guess they plan another keypad eventually. Maybe TI-89T emulation?
But yeah if SatanicToothpaste gets a clickpad, he won't be able to use a 84+ keypad, should Calc84maniac eventually revives his Z80 and 68K emulators. (which used the 84+ keypad for more conveniences.)
And yeah calcforth I remember Critor posted a picture of how the keypad is connected on the CAS touchpad. Seems pretty akward, to me. I wonder if ductape is even strong enough to keep it in place?
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As first posts go, this one is pretty awesome.
Welcome to the Omni forums, hope you enjoy your stay.
Thanks JustCause. After lengthy decision, I - along with mates at school - are leaning towards the TI-Nspire TouchPad CAS. Being the latest and apparently greatest OS of the pack, it is currently the only calculator officially supported in my Mathematics Textbook anyway. Although homebrew is currently not supported via OS 2.1 (or 2.0 for that matter) I'd rather wait for the new Ndless distribution. The balance between education and mario is just too idiotic.
Also, since the peak of prior discussion was at a degree of change, how different is the Touch/clickpad's software. Apparently the menus are totally different, despite the congruent naming of OS 2.1 for both tangents. You mentioned earlier that applying a clickpad is possible on the touchpad series. Would this be via opening the calculators hardware and manually rewiring? ...and would doing this allow installation of OS 1.7 (for Ndless) later?
Please help me out, as time is nearing its depletion!
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Furthermore, does OS 1.7 differ completely to OS 2.1, or are they really identical in function input. I do NOT want to downgrade merely for the quick thrill of Mario. Is there a balance between the two. My fears are comparative to downgrading PC to Windows 95: full support for Commander Keen (DOS) vs support for Visual Basic and Office (7).
Thanks.
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The Touchpad software has a different home interface, but I don't remember what are the new math features on it, as I never actually used a TI-Nspire for... maths. :P However, OS 2.0/2.1 are the exact same between the clickpad and Touchpads, except the different keypad layout. For example, my TI-Nspire clickpad is currently running that OS. As for a CAS clickpad on a Nspire, you need to insert it at 30° angle and put some pressure on it with your hand and keep the pressure for the entire time you use the calc. Then the keypad layout is all scrambled. Basically, good luck playing Mario and doing maths with that setup.
That said, OS 1.7 has no Input/Request function. It was added in OS 2.0.
We do not know when Ndless will come out for OS 2.0.
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TI loves to do this. release a newer version of the same calc and make the old one discontinued. then introduce it into booklists so that everyone has to buy programming-limited calcs while ti boasts about the latest tech in its calcs.
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Thanks JustCause. After lengthy decision, I - along with mates at school - are leaning towards the TI-Nspire TouchPad CAS. Being the latest and apparently greatest OS of the pack, it is currently the only calculator officially supported in my Mathematics Textbook anyway. Although homebrew is currently not supported via OS 2.1 (or 2.0 for that matter) I'd rather wait for the new Ndless distribution. The balance between education and mario is just too idiotic.
Also, since the peak of prior discussion was at a degree of change, how different is the Touch/clickpad's software. Apparently the menus are totally different, despite the congruent naming of OS 2.1 for both tangents. You mentioned earlier that applying a clickpad is possible on the touchpad series. Would this be via opening the calculators hardware and manually rewiring? ...and would doing this allow installation of OS 1.7 (for Ndless) later?
Please help me out, as time is nearing its depletion!
Lol, your textbooks already have the nspire in them! Two hers ago, my algebra 1 textbook had 83+/84+ examples, and last years algebra 2 textbooks had the original 83 in it. I would still try to get a clickpad cas, as they still support os 2.1 if you must use it, and over the summer or whenever, you can downgrade to 1.7 and use ndless.
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Wow! My math textbook this year has TI-82 problems. You must use very new textbooks! :)
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My textbook features TI-81's ;) I think I win :P
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Yeah, even USA Today recommends the nspire (touchpad, of course). I saw it in some back to school gear guide. If all you are using your calc for is middle school/he math, the nspire is completely unnecessary. Just TI trying to make more money when the textbooks get updated.
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Over here, in some classes, sometimes they gave us notes or books from the mid '80s. In English classes, during my 3rd and 4th years of hi school (2000 through 2002), our books were from 1987 and 1988 and in Biology, we sometimes had exams from 1984 and watched documentaries from the '70s. In math and french the books were from 1999 I think, though.
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Over here, in some classes, sometimes they gave us notes or books from the mid '80s. In English classes, during my 3rd and 4th years of hi school (2000 through 2002), our books were from 1987 and 1988 and in Biology, we sometimes had exams from 1984 and watched documentaries from the '70s. In math and french the books were from 1999 I think, though.
This is really funny because biology is still changing (even basic questions like kingdoms classification are not fully decided), while math is essentially static (well, there are new ideas and such, but not at high-school level).
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Yeah I have no clue why they kept material that old at school sometimes. Granted, a lot of the things in those exams were things that did not change as much as others, but we could still notice some accuracies and the exams were too easy anyway. Also it was stupid because all questions had a letter choice called D) None of the answers above, yet it was never used at all. ???
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Over here, in some classes, sometimes they gave us notes or books from the mid '80s. In English classes, during my 3rd and 4th years of hi school (2000 through 2002), our books were from 1987 and 1988 and in Biology, we sometimes had exams from 1984 and watched documentaries from the '70s. In math and french the books were from 1999 I think, though.
My math book this year is from 1980 : w00t:
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All my books are current. Like, past five years.
I just hate how teachers LOVE to use videos from the 70's and 80's. I mean, I know it's supposed to be 'educational' but the terrible sound, the over-the-top acting, and terrible computer graphics detract from it. Not to mention that half the stuff you already know. :P
I just program whenever we watch one of those things.
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Lol, I thought those were better than the ones that come with my math textbooks, featuring mr. Burger.
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All my books are current. Like, past five years.
I just hate how teachers LOVE to use videos from the 70's and 80's. I mean, I know it's supposed to be 'educational' but the terrible sound, the over-the-top acting, and terrible computer graphics detract from it. Not to mention that half the stuff you already know. :P
I just program whenever we watch one of those things.
The funniest things ever are the health class videos. I remember one video I had to watch on condom use, and the entire class was laughing through the whole thing because of the pathetic faked acting :)
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Haha XD
But I think outdated videos and books are usually due to poor school budget. They don't bother updating because they can't afford newer stuff. Over here they're not doing too bad, though, considering we're a socialist country, especially the Quebec part of it.
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yeah, ordering 100s of textbooks r not cheap for the school. if there are lots of outdated books the school does not have an as large budget for spending on new editions of the same books
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True, though I don't quite mind old textbooks. I just hate the old videos.
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My pre-purchased textbooks, with addition to a shiny new (emphasis on the shiny) TI-Nspire CAS Touchpad, have finally arrived :w00t: . I'm amazed at how convenient it is to have the majority of questions actually designed specifically for readers with TI-Nspire's ;D . The prior years have featured TI-84+, although with the absence of the exact same calculator (went for a cheapo K-Mart one) I was advised to skip entire units because of this. Regardless, the Aussie Government is now placing larger focus on TI integration than graph paper . Hooray for TI!!!
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I just got a Ti Nspire Touchpad(non CAS), which came with OS 2.0 preinstalled. Does this mean I can get a clickpad separately and can use it instead of the annoying touchpad? I would also like to downgrade to OS 1.7 in order to use Ndless, and I know that OS 1.7 wont work with the touchpad. Is that all I would have to do to get Ndless working on my Nspire? ???
Any advice appreciated!
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(Please note: I don't know a lot about the Nspire, so what I'm saying might be wrong)
I just got a Ti Nspire Touchpad(non CAS), which came with OS 2.0 preinstalled. Does this mean I can get a clickpad separately and can use it instead of the annoying touchpad?
Yes.
I would also like to downgrade to OS 1.7 in order to use Ndless, and I know that OS 1.7 wont work with the touchpad. Is that all I would have to do to get Ndless working on my Nspire? ???
Yes, but you need to use a certain thing that I've forgotten the name of in order to downgrade. Also, a version of Ndless that supports 2.0 might be released soon.
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Ok, thanks
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You'll need The program is called Nleash, and also the Touchpad doesn't work on 1.7.
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No, you don't need nleash to go to 1.7, only for 1.4 and below.
@merauder
That should work perfectly, but you'll have to use only the clickpad for booting up. Once ndless 2.0 comes out you can use that instead, and just use the touchpad. From what I can see, a release shouldn't be too far away either ;) (not actually a comment from ExtendeD or anyone from ndless team, just my thoughts and opinion)
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yeah, my main concern about ndless is that gbc4nspire wont work in 1.7, does anyone know if it does? Also, since all of my expertise is in the iPhone jailbreaking world, I have no idea how to downgrade in the first place.
Thanks for the fast responces.
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Also, since all of my expertise is in the iPhone jailbreaking world, I have no idea how to downgrade in the first place.
Downgrading to 1.7 is just like upgrading to a new OS, except you use an old OS instead of a new one.
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gbc4nspire was ported to 1.7 actually. It's now included in Omnimaga archives. TI-BANK had it for a while (although the site is in French). Welcome on the forums by the way!
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Do you know how to get to the maintenance menu? from there you delete the OS, then when you turn it on it will say "install os now" or similar. Use the linker to install 1.7 from there.
For the clickpad, hold ON-Home-Enter-P while it turns on (at least until the bar is half full)
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Ok, so to downgrade, all i have to do is go to the maintenence menu(kinda like DFU mode) and delete the OS, then use the TI linking software to install 1.7. I already have the files for OS 1.1-2.1 on my PC, so finding OS 1.7 isnt a problem. Where do I download gbc4nspire? COuld anyone provide a link? I just ordered a clickpad off Ebay, and I want the emulator ahead of time.
Huh, I always seem to be getting the worst versions of these calculators for homebrew. First my Ti-84 cant run ti boy, and now this.
Ah, well, doesnt seem too difficult to do.
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Where do I download gbc4nspire? COuld anyone provide a link? I just ordered a clickpad off Ebay, and I want the emulator ahead of time.
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=484
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okay, deleted OS, how do i send the new OS?(With what software)
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uh oh, it didnt work, ummm, it just told me i cant downgrade my OS to 1.7, Why? Help!
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What OS do you need? Did you try 2.0.1?
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ok, im trying to downgrade os 2.0 on my newer nspire(came with touchpad), to os 1.7. What i tried doing was deleting the os from the maintenence menu, then installing os 1.7 from the linking software.
However, this failed, and the linking software refused to install os 1.7, saying that i couldnt downgrade below my current version. I just tried nleash, but it isnt working either.
What do i do?
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You should not use OS 1.7 with the touchpad, it will not work. Send OS 2.0.1 (not 2.0.0) in the same way you sent OS 1.7 to your calc.
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i have a clickpad installed on the calc
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In order to use Nleash/downgrade to OS 1.7, you have to update to OS 2.1 first, run Nleash, then send OS 1.7. That should work for you! :)
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ok, thanks man :)