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Calculator Community => TI Calculators => General Calculator Help => Topic started by: runeazn on August 15, 2011, 09:26:51 am
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So i did google abit read the 44 pages topic here and there, and i still dont understand anything? :banghead:
So i need to install ndless? I also read in a topic, that you need to compile the ndless? When I download it you get a nice zip-file with normal files?
How do i install ndless somebody got any steps, i'm a total noob yeah,sorry.
After I install it, does it take my normal TI-Nspire functionality away, as in, is it a whole OS? ndless.
Why I am thinking that, as there is a Ti-Nspire Emulator and there must be a good reason for that, what i think is thus that you loose the normal capabilities of the calc.
Where can I Download GBC4you file something, .tns to make my play :)?
And what are those tns files actually? ti-nspire something?
Where do you put them? Where can I download games? Or will normal .rom files do it?
I also saw the games section, are those games that do not run on a emulator? or have a emulator built in?
I really am a total n00b sorry but i am looking forward to play games, and your replies.
Thank you,
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Ndless is a program that you can install on Nspires. There are both versions that you have to compile and versions that are already finished so that you can use them right away. Ndless does not delete the OS of the Nspire, so you can continue using it as normal. Which OS version do you currently use, and what keypad do you use? Some OSes block Ndless so that you can't use it.
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mine is supported i think, 2.1.0.631
touchpad and also have the ti-84+ keypad
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Yep, that OS is supported by Ndless. I'm not completely sure how to install it, but I believe that the included readme file describes it for you.
gbc4nspire normally doesn't support the touchpad keypad at all, but there's a hacked version available that works decently: http://ourl.ca/3840/166688 (http://ourl.ca/3840/166688)
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the readme says nothing ill copy it :
- particles.tns: screen/keyboard demo.
- hello.tns: C Hello World. Run it in nspire_emu or with an RS232 adapter.
- hella.tns: ARM Hello World.
Source code is available in src/samples.
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so i still dont know how to install it lol..
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Are you sure that you downloaded the newest version, Ndless 2.0 (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42626.html)?
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yep that is correct thats the one i downloaded
Btw why would the touchpad not work like the clickpad it is almost the same,
btw i cant really use the modded version as it supports only one game :banghead:
Oh well better than nothing,
Im still searching for somebody that can teach me how to install ndless..
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This is what the readme looks like for me:
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= Ndless v2.0 for TI-Nspire =
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What is it?
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Ndless combines an executable loader and utilities to open the TI-Nspire to
third-party C and assembly development.
As a TI-Nspire user, installing Ndless on your calculator will enhance the
Operating System with the functions required to run assembly programs until the
next reboot.
What do I need to install it on a TI-Nspire?
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- A TI-Nspire CAS or non-CAS
- OS v1.7, v2.0.1 or v2.1.0 installed on it. v2.0.0 is not supported, you
should update your OS.
- Any linking program such as TI-Nspire Computer Link Software
How do I install it?
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First locate the file 'ndless_installer_os-<version>.tns' in the calcbin/
directory of Ndless where <version> matches the OS version currently installed
on the calculator.
Send this file along with the file 'ndless_resources.tns' to any directory of
the calculator. Make sure that the name of the target directory doesn't contain
any special characters such as '.'. The two documents must be in the same
directory.
Unplug the calculator from the computer (trust us, it is important).
Open 'ndless_installer' from the Documents screen of the calculator and wait a
few seconds. Now:
- The calculator may display a popup about the success of the installation.
That's it!
The installation is not permanent: you need to reinstall Ndless after each
reboot.
- The calculator may display a frozen clock and possibly 1, 2 or 3 vertical
bars of random pixels on the screen. You are out of luck, the installation
failed. The TI-Nspire may reboot by itself after a few seconds.
If not, force a reboot by unplugging the USB cable if plugged in, then removing
and putting back a battery. Retry the installation again.
If you can't install Ndless after multiple attempts, jump to the section
'Installation problem report' below.
How do I install it on nspire_emu/Ncubate?
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Use the "connect" command of the emulator, then send 'ndless_installer.tns' and
'ndless_resources.tns' from the calcbin/ directory to any directory of the
emulated calculator.
Open 'ndless_installer' from the Documents screen of the calculator and wait a
few seconds for the installation.
If the installation makes the calculator hang or reboot, retry the installation
on a OS image that has just been created.
How do I upgrade from v1.7?
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First follow the uninstallation steps below, then the installation steps above.
How do I run an executable?
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Executables have the extension .tns as standard documents.
- Transfer the executable with a linking program to any folder of the TI-Nspire
- Run the executable from the Documents screen
You may try the particles demo available in the calcbin/samples/ directory.
Programs built for Ndless v1.0/v1.1 won't work with this version until they are
updated by their authors.
How do I uninstall it?
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Make sure the documents 'ndless_installer.tns' and 'ndless_resources.tns' are
still in the same directory on the calculator.
Then open 'ndless_installer' from the Documents screen. A full reboot will be
initiated.
Troubleshooting
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- If the TI-Nspire becomes unusable, hangs or loops at reboot time:
* Reboot the TI-Nspire, by unplugging the USB cable, then removing and putting
back a battery.
* Enter the maintenance menu by turning it on while holding the following keys
until half the progress bar:
with the ClickPad keypad: Home+Enter+P then ON
with the TouchPad keypad: Doc+Enter+EE then ON
* Select '2' to uninstall the current OS. Reinstall it when asked to.
- If running an executable from the documents screen displays the following
message: "Sorry. Could not open document 'xxx.tns'", Ndless has not been
correctly installed. Run 'ndless_installer' again after a reboot.
Known issues
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A more complete list of known isues can be found in the tracker:
http://www.unsads.com/projects/nsptools
* The installation confirmation message may not be displayed in some
configuration. An error about the document format being not supported is
displayed instead.
* The installation may crash when ndless-installer is run from the directory
MyLib/.
Support and suggestions
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Forum: http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=136.0
Issues and enhancements tracker: http://www.unsads.com/projects/nsptools
General TI-Nspire hacking wiki: http://hackspire.unsads.com
Development version of the source code:
https://www.unsads.com/scm/svn/nsptools/Ndless/trunk (guest/guest)
Installation problem report
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First make sure:
- You are using the right 'ndless_installer_os-<version>.tns' file compatible
with the Operating System (OS) version currently installed on your calculator
- You have followed the steps in the troubleshooting section above
- You don't find a solution on the web sites above
Then count if you can:
- the number of vertical bars of random pixels which appear at the top of the
screen at installation time
- The number of dotted lines which appear at the bottom of the screen
E-mail this with anything which might help the authors to fix the issue.
Developing for the TI-Nspire
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Development information and resources are available on Hackspire:
http://hackspire.unsads.com
Join the community now!
Upgrading your developments and scripts
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The executable format, the conventions and the header files are currently being
defined and prone to change. The upgrade steps between the different releases
are documented here: http://hackspire.unsads.com/wiki/index.php/Ndless
What we hope you will be able to see in the next releases
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- Installation on recent OS versions
- More syscalls definitions
- Basic routines as static libraries
- A fully-fledged executable runner, with complete relocation support, library
support, an exception handler...
- Support for the TI-84+ keypad
We are open to any contribution to these features.
Many thanks to
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calc84maniac (GB/GBC emulator, HW info), Goplat (TI-Nspire emulator, HW info),
hwti (OS info, v1.0 64-bit support), squalyl (Hackspire and development tools
hosting), TI-Bank (data hosting).
Thanks to all the contributors and beta testers, including AdRiWeB, apcalc,
BrandonW, bsl, bwang, calc84maniac, calcforth, chronomex, critor, Levak,
Lionel Debroux, shrear.
Development team
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Olivier Armand aka ExtendeD - < olivier dot calc at gmail dot com >
Former team member:
Geoffrey Anneheim aka geogeo - < geoffrey dot anneheim at free dot fr >
Ndless is brought to you by Omnimaga: The Coders Of Tomorrow
www.omnimaga.org
We will gladly accept PayPal donations for the hardware expenses that were
required for the development of Ndless. You can use the e-mail addresses above
or the following URL:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=PJ7SGQPQJ8WKQ&item_name=Ndless%20Donation
Thank you for your support.
Legal stuff
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Most of the work is covered by the Mozilla Public License, version 1.1 (MPL).
Please read careful the file "Mozilla-Public-License-v1.1.html" before
distributing of any part of Ndless, with or without modification.
Some parts are covered by other licenses. Others are in the public domain. These
parts are identified by the files LICENSE.txt or LICENSE.html in the sub-
directory.
Changelog
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See Changes.txt.
As for the touchpad: All of the key codes have been remapped, and I don't even know if the arrow keys can be detected anymore. The difference is not very large for humans, but programs have been written in a way that makes it very hard to support the touchpad unless they're rewritten - and sadly, the source code for gbc4nspire is lost, so it can't be modified easily.
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The ReadMe file is this one, just follow the instructions and tell us where you get in trouble: http://www.ticalc.org/cgi-bin/zipview?nspire/asm/shells/ndless.zip;ndless-v2.0/src/doc/ReadMe.txt
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is the linking software one use?
As when windows 8 is out i am upgrading..
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is the linking software one use?
As when windows 8 is out i am upgrading..
Do you mean the TI-Nspire Student Software, or the TI-Nspire Computer Link Software? The latter can be installed any number of times, but the former is more limited. I'm not sure if it's one-use.
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i need the linking software where can i downlaod it?
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installed fine so now just download the gba emulator?
and what for games, normal .rom or specialized ones?
Btw why didnt they make ndless permanent and just give you a uninstalled if you dont want?
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Btw why didnt they make ndless permanent and just give you a uninstalled if you dont want?
Because it's not just that easy, technically ;)
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installed fine so now just download the gba emulator?
Download the GBC emulator - the version that I linked to earlier.
and what for games, normal .rom or specialized ones?
Use normal ones, but instead of naming them .rom, name them .rom.tns.
Btw why didnt they make ndless permanent and just give you a uninstalled if you dont want?
Because that's impossible. Only TI can make permanent changes to the OS that aren't refused by the calculator, because we don't have their signing keys.
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ah okay, any good hacker can get those keys, or with the right connections, not saying they arent good hacker or anything.
it failed :(
there is no message of install completed.
and gameboy emu cant be started,
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ah okay, any good hacker can get those keys, or with the right connections, not saying they arent good hacker or anything.
Computing the keys using the kinds of computers that we have today would take very many years.
it failed :(
there is no message of install completed.
Try again!
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again fail
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What do you mean with "fail"?
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What do you mean with "fail"?
Failure it isn't able to run the gbc emulation.
It crashes with vertical stripes after a little time.
Atm I am not home but keeps suggestions for fixing coming
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Which games are you using?
Also, "good hackers" has nothing to do with it. The greatest hackers of all time could combine their knowledge locked together in a room for two weeks and still not get those keys. It would take years to accomplish with the best resources available and an unlimited budget.
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Which games are you using?
Also, "good hackers" has nothing to do with it. The greatest hackers of all time could combine their knowledge locked together in a rkoom for two weeks and still not get those keys. It would take years to accomplish with the best resources available and an unlimited budget.
I am not using any games the hacking didn't work.
Btw did I say theright connections.it isn't that hard to get the key if you have somebody that can leak them.
Butanybody got suggestions to fix this.
I get vertical stripes and then it automatically reboots
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Ndless always eventually installs, at least if the USB cable is unplugged.
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Btw did I say theright connections.it isn't that hard to get the key if you have somebody that can leak them.
TI most certainly guards them very closely, its not like we can go up to them and ask them for the keys, even if one of us has connections there, which I know a few of us have.
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Ndless always eventually installs, at least if the USB cable is unplugged.
ok trying for the 4th time
im finalyl at home
[edit]
it worked i used the wrong file 2.0.1
instead of 2.1.0
:stupid!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
so where can i download super mario/tetris?
preferably ti nspire optimized, which as small as possible file size
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so where can i download super mario/tetris?
preferably ti nspire optimized, which as small as possible file size
We don't discuss downloading copyrighted ROMs here.
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so where can i download super mario/tetris?
preferably ti nspire optimized, which as small as possible file size
We don't discuss downloading copyrighted ROMs here.
oh okay, anyway how do i exit??
the gbc4nspire thing? or is a pulling the battery needed?
Is a GBA rom the same as a GBC rom?
btw http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42630.html
he gives afile how does the file work?
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After installing ndless, you just open gbc4nspire.tns.
You can only use roms for the original Gameboy, or Gameboy Color, GBA's are a whole different system and not supported. On your computer, you have to rename the rom so the file extension is .gb.tns or .gbc.tns, then you can use the computer link software to send it to the calculator.
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ah okay,works fine now :)
just so much blur O_O
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There's nothing we can do about that, because the LCD TI put in has a horrible response time, causing the blur. It reminds me of those screens in laptops from the 90's, where you had cursor trails even if they were disabled :P.
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There's nothing we can do about that, because the LCD TI put in has a horrible response time, causing the blur. It reminds me of those screens in laptops from the 90's, where you had cursor trails even if they were disabled :P.
i see it so horrible i cant even play :(
Or is it the game then? Supere mario Deluxe,
Btw where can i find the tetris? lkike in that youtube movie,
or was that on a emulator?
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Btw where can i find the tetris?
Ask for any game even one more time and you'll be temporarily banned. Use Google, we don't do that here.
See rule #7 (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2).
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Btw where can i find the tetris?
Ask for any game even one more time and you'll be temporarily banned. Use Google, we don't do that here.
I didnt ask for a rom i asked only if there was a custom game written..
look at the edit?
i cant edit at inhuman speeds you know?
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Finding ROMs in the first place is up to you, regardless of content. Someone might mistakenly post a ROM hack, which is also illegal to post without a patch. Just find it yourself.
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Finding ROMs in the first place is up to you, regardless of content. Someone might mistakenly post a ROM hack, which is also illegal to post without a patch. Just find it yourself.
AS YOU CAN SEE I EDITED THE POST FOR MISUNDERSTANDING? before you
i refresh the page and then i see your "intimidating" message, which i already tried to prevent.
So dont start bashing me on it as i do know what i do wrong,
as i started editing at 17:30 something directly after my post?
and you do some ninja actions to post asap while i already was doing my work.
anyway does somebody got some fun games?
that are custom made?
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Please calm down.
Also, finding games is up to you. We highly recommend using Google for game reviews.
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Please calm down.
Also, finding games is up to you. We highly recommend using Google for game reviews.
damm it cant anybody read that i already understand that??
by custom games i mean game written by the community.
http://ourl.ca/12255
liek that one :)
anyway i found the correct sections,
if i need ever help ill make a thread or post in here
Thank you very much for all the help guys.
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You mean homebrew games? That, we can discuss here, though I have no idea where to find them.
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yeah i forgot the name homebrew it is called
one unanswered question and i got 2 new ones so.
The old one, what does the ti nspire emulator do?
So if i have a ti-84+ pad can i also play games on them, the homebrew i posted, and how?
Also the 2nd i forgot :(
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Finding ROMs in the first place is up to you, regardless of content. Someone might mistakenly post a ROM hack, which is also illegal to post without a patch. Just find it yourself.
AS YOU CAN SEE I EDITED THE POST FOR MISUNDERSTANDING? before you
i refresh the page and then i see your "intimidating" message, which i already tried to prevent.
So dont start bashing me on it as i do know what i do wrong,
as i started editing at 17:30 something directly after my post?
and you do some ninja actions to post asap while i already was doing my work.
anyway does somebody got some fun games?
that are custom made?
Don't get snarpy with my for doing my job. I am a moderator here, you know, and you were asking about illegal content, which I'm perfectly at liberty to reprimand you for. Last warning.
As for finding homebrew gameboy games, you won't find many here, as our users are more dedicated to calculators. For "homebrew" calculator games, you should look at ticalc (http://www.ticalc.org/) for a large list of games for all calculators. You can use TiLP (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/) to send games and such to any calculator.
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The TI-Nspire emulator emulates an Nspire on a PC, but I believe that it's mostly intended for developers that want to debug code as it's a bit hard to set up. Basically, it allows you to do what you can do on an Nspire on a PC, but nothing more.
The 84+ keypad for the Nspire allows you to use most of the programs and games that are made for the 83+ or 84+ (but not all of them).
To run TI-Nspire homebrew, just send the program like you did with gbc4nspire (and make sure that Ndless is still installed).
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The TI-Nspire emulator emulates an Nspire on a PC, but I believe that it's mostly intended for developers that want to debug code as it's a bit hard to set up. Basically, it allows you to do what you can do on an Nspire on a PC, but nothing more.
The 84+ keypad for the Nspire allows you to use most of the programs and games that are made for the 83+ or 84+ (but not all of them).
To run TI-Nspire homebrew, just send the program like you did with gbc4nspire (and make sure that Ndless is still installed).
how do i want to play ti 84 games with the 84 keypad?
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Can you please be a little more clear? Are you asking "How to play 84+ games?" or "Why would I want to play 84+ games?"
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Can you please be a little more clear? Are you asking "How to play 84+ games?" or "Why would I want to play 84+ games?"
how do i play.
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Exactly like on a real 84+, you put in the 84+ keypad so it is in 84+ mode, and transfer files with 84+ linking software over either USB or link port, and run them exactly the same way, with the exact same shells.
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Exactly like on a real 84+, you put in the 84+ keypad so it is in 84+ mode, and transfer files with 84+ linking software over either USB or link port, and run them exactly the same way, with the exact same shells.
yeah i figured, ty :)
but now i got a bigger problem: ill quote it : it about data transfer
yeah problem is ti connect doesnt work,
ti nspire student software works, but as the name says only for nspire.
Ti connect can find my 84 but not ti nspire, oh the compatibility!
But it cant communicate, tried normal + a cable i used before, both still give the error.
so i cant even put the file in..
the not communicating part is for the 84+
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So TiLP works with Nspires in 84+ mode? I remember hearing the USB emulation on-calc was inaccurate...
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It is supported in later OS versions, I know 1.7 and over is supported for a fact.
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Yeah, when in 84+ mode, the oldest OS versions (at least 1.1) expose the USB PID of a 89T. This has never been worked around in libti*/tilp, since this OS version is severely outdated anyway.
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@runeazn:Many of your posts are somewhat unclear, even after your edits. That is part of the reason why you got the response you did.
In regards to where you can find community written programs, I'd suggest looking in checking under <a href=http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=12.0>Our projects.</a> There are a few Nspire programs in that board. You can also look to see what our members are currently working on under <a href=http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=5.0>Other calc-related Projects</A>. <a href=http://www.ticalc.org>Ticalc.org</a> is also an excellent archive/news site that has programs for all Texas Instruments Calculators. Finally I'd like to say; welcome to Omnimaga! :)
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Finding ROMs in the first place is up to you, regardless of content. Someone might mistakenly post a ROM hack, which is also illegal to post without a patch. Just find it yourself.
AS YOU CAN SEE I EDITED THE POST FOR MISUNDERSTANDING? before you
i refresh the page and then i see your "intimidating" message, which i already tried to prevent.
So dont start bashing me on it as i do know what i do wrong,
as i started editing at 17:30 something directly after my post?
and you do some ninja actions to post asap while i already was doing my work.
anyway does somebody got some fun games?
that are custom made?
Don't get snarpy with my for doing my job. I am a moderator here, you know, and you were asking about illegal content, which I'm perfectly at liberty to reprimand you for. Last warning.
As for finding homebrew gameboy games, you won't find many here, as our users are more dedicated to calculators. For "homebrew" calculator games, you should look at ticalc (http://www.ticalc.org/) for a large list of games for all calculators. You can use TiLP (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/) to send games and such to any calculator.
The problem here is that he was not even asking for ROMs in his last few posts. First he asked where to find Tetris, unless it was in emulator, meaning he only wanted the link if the game was ported by somebody from the TI community, not if it was a GB game. He only asked for ROMs once. Also you were rude by warning him, especially that they were false accusations, so I could understand him becoming angry. Please don't start pulling kllrnohjs on new members here.
Remember Omnimaga is meant to be free of hostility towards newcomers and we especially do not want the same thing to happen to runeazn and other new members as what happened to Netham45 and Harold on another forum.
As for homebrew ROMs, someone could link to one if that site only contains IPS patches, but otherwise you would need to search.
As for homebrew tns games, you need to check ticalc.org, omnimaga downloads section or ti-bank (french). All those places got a few games. There are not a lot for Ndless, though, because C and ASM are much harder to program for than Lua it seems.
Anyway welcome on the forums and I hope you enjoy your stay.
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It doesn`t work
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Welcome on the forums NuriSahin12. Could you explain your problem in more details, so it is easier to help you?
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ive installed everything (ndless and the emulator) but im getting something that says it wont take .gb and .gbc files, only .tns? :banghead:
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I think you have to convert the files to tns. Did you read the readme for the emulator?
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You must add a .tns extension at the end of the file. So PokemonRed.gb would become PokemonRed.gb.tns.