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Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Netham45 on April 12, 2007, 10:12:00 am
Ok, if you know what the Day of Silence is, then yay! If not...

The Day of Silence is a day where GLBT(Gay,Lesbian,Bisexual,Transexual) people or supporters don't talk for a day to show the lack of voice the GLBT community has. The goal is to not talk :Xscotch.gif for nine consectutive waking hours.

You can find more information at http://www.dayofsilence.org/ .

It is on Wednesday, April 18 2007 this year.

:)smile.gif

Edit: [Admins]: Would this be apropriate for news???
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Post by: josephmarin on April 12, 2007, 11:18:00 am
Oh? Never heard of it till now. Nine hours is all? Hell, I do that every day =P
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Post by: rivereye on April 12, 2007, 02:32:00 pm
this is not news worthy (as it is contorversial).

Loud, Straight, Proud!!!
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Post by: Speler on April 12, 2007, 03:35:00 pm
What's so controversial about it?  I don't think it's newsworthy, but there's nothing controversial.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: rivereye on April 13, 2007, 12:38:00 am
supporting of gays and the like, there are a lot of people (myself included) who feel that it is unnatural and wrong.
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Post by: Insanity on April 13, 2007, 01:04:00 am
Uh-oh, I'm sensing tension in this general area here.
*Insanity
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Post by: josephmarin on April 13, 2007, 04:44:00 am
Rivereye: I didn't know you felt this way about it. I hope we can still be friends?
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Post by: calc84maniac on April 13, 2007, 06:10:00 am
I agree with rivereye here.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on April 13, 2007, 10:12:00 am
Well, I would say being gay is pretty unnatural if you asked me, but I don't have any issues with people that are gay I don't think. They seem at least mostly normal to me and as long as they don't do something like, make out when I'm in the room (common sense for straight people too :Ptongue.gif) I'm ok with homos.
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Post by: bfr on April 13, 2007, 10:15:00 am
I think it's unnatural, but I don't really think that it is wrong.  If somebody is gay/bi/whatever, then they're gay/bi/whatever, and I doubt that they chose to be that way.  
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Post by: Speler on April 13, 2007, 10:28:00 am
What's un-natural about it, the human species and it's actions/thoughts are part of nature as well.
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Post by: bfr on April 13, 2007, 10:38:00 am
By "unnatural," I meant that it's not the way it/.nature indented it to be.  Being born with one arm is unnatural.  It's not wrong, but it's unnatural.  If nature ended for people to be, gay, for example, and that was the way it was supposed to be, then the human species might have died out many years ago because not enough people were being born.  (No offense to gay/lesbian people, and that isn't really a problem currently anyway, but just saying...)
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on April 13, 2007, 01:28:00 pm
Nature doesn't have intentions.  There is only what happens and doesn't happen.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: bfr on April 13, 2007, 01:35:00 pm
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unnatural

Definition #3:  "at variance with what is normal or to be expected"

That's what I meant.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, and I try to avoid quoting dictionary websites....
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Post by: Halifax on April 13, 2007, 02:26:00 pm
Ok let's look at it like this. Boys = PS3 and Girls = Power Outlets. If you walked in and saw a PS3 having intercouse with a PS3 you would be like woah how are you compatible you both need to be hooked up. But if you saw a PS3 having intercourse with a Power Outlet its like oh he's just getting his thing on. Haha that's my analogy. Anyways I don't care what people want to do its their life. Your life or die! Im straight because nothing matches boobs!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: tifreak on April 13, 2007, 04:05:00 pm
man and man or woman and woman cannot naturally produce a child. That is why it is unnatural.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on April 14, 2007, 02:08:00 am
Neither can a women and a man over 60.  Is love between them un-natural?
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: tenniskid493 on April 14, 2007, 03:12:00 am
Guys...please keep this on topic.  I don't want to see this turn into a debate topic.  
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Insanity on April 14, 2007, 05:02:00 am
*Insanity
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on April 14, 2007, 06:46:00 am
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Neither can a women and a man over 60.  Is love between them un-natural?  

 But if you remember, back in the day the average life span of a human being was around 3-40. Modern medicine makes it possible to have people living 80 and 100 years old.

Besides, it seems pretty natural to me that people over 60 can't have children. After a certain age, their ability to be good parents decreases simply because they can't do as much anymore. Think about your grandma-- as much as she loves babies, imagine the difficulty she'd have in raising one.

Also, I'm with halifax--boobies FTW! O_Oshocked2.gif
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Post by: Insanity on April 14, 2007, 10:53:00 am
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boobies FTW! O_Oshocked2.gif

[ Southern Accent ]:   Best durn thangs ever 'nvented, I'll tell ya what.  Ain't never seen somethin' so ver-see-tile in my life.  Cain't have a purty woman wit'out a good set a' hooters.  No, sir'ree.

Now, with the guys... 'scuse me a sec'nd, I'm gon' need a beer on this one...

* glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug... *
* Aaaahhh *

Nothin' like a 'freshin' beer er'ry now 'n then.

Anyway, now with the guys... they ain't got nothin' to... er... well... 'preciate, ya know?  Nah, if ya gay or somethin' like that, I ain't puttin' ya down, but I mean, ya look at a guy and its like, "Man, thur's somethin' missin' here... ain't no...."  It's like lookin' at a wall; ain't got nothin' there.  'S [It's] like watchin' that there CSPAN channer on the tel-ee-vis'n.  I had 'ta git that channer blocked off 'cause I be lookin' for me somethin' good to watch and I flip past that channer there and, shoot, I already be snorin' in the chair lookin' like I been hittin' the bottles 'little too hard.  Just nothin' there to 'preciate.

* glug, glug, glug, glug... *

Now, with the purty women, ya gots that el-ee-ment of... vis-u-al-tee.  It's like lookin' at one of them fancy paint'ns and ya know ya don't know what the hell ya lookin' at, but ya can't take your eyes off'a it.  It's like one a'dem magnets ya' put up on yer coolin' box. Finest work of art ya ever done saw if ya saw one.  An' when ya have them purty lesbian women, shoo'wee, it's bett'r than that "buy one, git one free" thang.  Best party animals ya ever did see...

Welp, bett'a git on out 'er here; I gots me some tel-ee-vis'n ta watch...
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Post by: Speler on April 14, 2007, 11:12:00 am
@Spengo, if that's true then it's un-natural to live over 30 or 40.  Therefore, it shouldn't be done and it's moraly wrong.  Also, it seems pretty natural that gay people won't have children with each other.
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Post by: Halifax on April 14, 2007, 12:29:00 pm
hmm this discussion is turning the wrong way. If things are unnatural it doesn't mean they shouldn't be done. Spencer's Zelda is unnatural does that mean he should stop. Hell no! Lot's of things are unnatural depending on your definition of natural and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on April 14, 2007, 12:33:00 pm
Halifax, that is my point (except I disagree with the idea that the topic being discussed is un-natural).
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Post by: bfr on April 14, 2007, 01:08:00 pm
Again:

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unnatural

Definition #3:
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Post by: Halifax on April 14, 2007, 01:10:00 pm
Yes I agree with bfr.
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Post by: Speler on April 14, 2007, 02:01:00 pm
Ok sure, it means abnormal, but how does that have anything to do with morality?
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Post by: bfr on April 14, 2007, 02:29:00 pm
EDIT:  I posted before thinking about what I was saying, and then realized it didn't make much sense, except I can't delete my post....  :paf:tripaf.gif
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on April 14, 2007, 03:06:00 pm
It's definitely unnatural. As for morality, I don't know much about that sort of thing. All I know is I'm friends with many gay and bi peoples and they seem cool, so whatev.

Oh, one thing I'm pretty sure is immoral is that gender reassignment surgery thing that some transsexuals do. That's pretty nasty if ya ask me.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on April 14, 2007, 03:33:00 pm
There is a difference between immoral and nasty :)smile.gif.
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Post by: spengo on April 14, 2007, 03:57:00 pm
true.dat

Turds are nasty, but they ain't immoral. Gender reassignment surgery is both though methinks. :Xscotch.gif
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: josephmarin on April 14, 2007, 10:09:00 pm
i personally dont think its cool to hate someone just because of a difference. Everyone can do their own thing, and well, you dont have to agree with it, but you also dont have to hate them because of it. Its like me hating spengo cos he's taller than me. Sry for picking on you spengo, but you're the first person that popped in my head =P
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: CureDesu on April 15, 2007, 02:27:00 am
http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=6580&st=0

It's an all out Battle Royale..
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on April 15, 2007, 03:32:00 am
Meh... I promised myself not to post in UTI untill I finish a certain game (must... save... post... 1000).  Arcane Wizard seems to share the same viewpoint with me though (except is arguing much more intellitently then I can).
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: bfr on April 15, 2007, 04:11:00 am
Well, mostly the same point of view.  From what I've read, it seems as if Arcane Wizard is arguing that being gay/lesbian/bi/trans isn't wrong, but you seemed to be arguing that it wasn't wrong and it wasn't unnatural.  Still similar though, just saying.  I normally agree with Arcane Wizard in arguments at UnitedTI (or at least in the past few I've seen), although sometimes I don't bother to post in them.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: josephmarin on April 15, 2007, 12:50:00 pm
Well I'll just say this. Im a proud openly bi man, and i hope no one will have a problem with it. No one certainly has so far, whether they knew i was bi or not. That bit of knowledge should not change a persons perspective of me.
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Post by: tenniskid493 on April 16, 2007, 11:39:00 am
omg...ban him ban him...nah, im kidding.  I dont care :)smile.gif  its ur choice an i can't control it, so why worry about it (my thoughts)
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Post by: Insanity on April 17, 2007, 12:54:00 am
Holy crap at how much this has blown up at UTI; seven pages of nothing debate so hot, you'll need to bring your own fire extinguishers and thermal suits.  I'm surprised they haven't locked it yet there...
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Netham45 on April 17, 2007, 02:18:00 am
if they locked it, someone would unlock it or copy it.

It must be good there because were talking about it here.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 15, 2007, 05:21:00 pm
I missed the entire convo and felt bad for not replying, because i was gonna reply something back then but the internet caf
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 15, 2007, 06:00:00 pm
I, personally, have no problem with gays/lesbians. People are brought up to follow their passions. If your passion differs, then that should not matter at all.

I can't imagine just hating someone for something they do, that is just something my mind can't grasp. On the same hand you can't make someone conform to your ideals, but just advise. So I will advise people who hate gays/lesbians to open their mind, and accept other peoples decision.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 15, 2007, 06:30:00 pm
well said halifax, and people hating me because of something I do, this happened often in the past, not about being gay though, more for stupid stuff such as how I played legos until i was 13, how I had a Nintendo 64 instead of a Playstation, some because I had good (not the best, but above average) scores at school. Some were not hate, but close to it, probably more disrespect. But I heard lot of people saying they hated gay ppl or even black people.

I just don't see why we have to hate something that won't harm us
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Post by: Halifax on September 15, 2007, 07:31:00 pm
Yes DJ_Omnimaga, that last statement is so true.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 15, 2007, 07:38:00 pm
add the old TI-BASIC vs ASM arguments to my last post. Yes, there was people who hated me for the sole reason that I only programmed in BASIC or BASIC and libs. There's even someone (IRL) who hated me because I programmed too much for calcs ._.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: lordofthegeeks on September 16, 2007, 01:35:00 am
Homosexualality is wrong plain and simple. it is a moral absolute. If you don't belive in absolutes do you belive that absolutly?

also i love homosexuals But i do not love the traversity they comit.

i would go into details but it would go strait to the bible
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on September 16, 2007, 03:31:00 am
... i dont really understand why people always have to debate this. its basic, heres the answer: no one truly cares what other people think on this subject, at least not enough to make any difference, if they believe in absolutes then they wont change and if they're close enough in the middle to go to the other side then it really doesnt matter. all that happens is that the people who feel that gays are satan incarnate go crazy and the people who belive that man on x sex is an unalienable right, just spaz right back. and there will always be these two groups, just like there will always be people who love/hate african americans.

having said that im going to keep my opinion on this to myself because i dont fool myself into thinking that anyone will change with it or even that anyone cares.




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Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 07:21:00 am
Whatev. I don't give a rats-a** who other people decide to sleep with. That's their business imo. As for government legislation on gay marriage? That's total bulls***. The government shouldn't have to legislate ANY marriage. I don't need a piece of paper that tells me who I'm in love with. More of the government trying to get in places it doesn't belong. X(angry.gif

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people who feel that gays are satan incarnate go crazy and the people who belive that man on x sex is an unalienable right, just spaz right back. and there will always be these two groups, just like there will always be people who love/hate african americans.


There was a gay dude that went to my high school who was very religious too. He just didn't act on it and stuff I guess. I thought he was pretty funny, he was the kind of guy who would get into debates with religion teachers. From what I understand, the christian faith says that sex is the ultimate act of love and should always be open to life. They are against buttsecks for the same reason they are against contraception. You can't give all of yourself to another person if you keep back the possibility for life or something like that. Anyways to dinho, I think most people against gay sex don't hate gay people, they think something similar to this. Even so, the government should have no business in it.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 09:12:00 am
true, if church doesn't want to approve gay marriage or if they want to approve it, it's their own business, not government business. I personally find any arguments against homosexuality invalid when they are based on religious views though, because lot of people have different religion, and some are atheist, meaning their view on this are different than with catholic people. This is why I would disagree with lordofthegeeks here. Homosexuality is unnatural and abnormal, because it's different, but it shouldn't be seen as heinous crime, because everyone is free to do whatever they want providing it doesn't violate law.

What the f*** is up with all those gay parades though? This is just stupid, why not a Barney fan parade while at it?
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on September 16, 2007, 09:24:00 am
i was just giving both extremes
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 09:27:00 am
i know, my post was more directed at lordofthegeeks though


and congrats for 255 posts, now you became an assembly program. jk
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Post by: lordofthegeeks on September 16, 2007, 09:31:00 am
the reson is that they just don't want to do there perversion privitly the want everyone to think that what the are doing is on the same level as marrige or even better thus they cram it down our throat. or up our [inpolite word for posterior]s.
i belive it is wrong thats my personal belief. lets go with the armys policy- "Don't ask Don't tell" and lookat nature do we see any other creature seeking the same gender for intourcourse?
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 10:14:00 am
only thing you need to understand though is that it's not all gay people who does this, the ones who participate to those parades seems to want attention, but there is lot of gay people who just ask to be respected, no more discriminations. Some gay people won't disturb other people with their stuff, they just tell they are gay, and it's not their fault if they were born this way. Which is why i disagree that it's totally wrong. Lordofthegeeks, please quit bringning religion everywhere in debates. I think you alerady should know that the last time you did nobody appreciated. Religion can't just be brought on the internet, because it is too controversial as a subject. In the first place, this topic had nothing to do with religion anyway.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 10:48:00 am
Yeah, the parades... Now I'm reminded of Pure Pwnage. Jeremy thought it was a parade about owning things 'cause everyone was making humping motions. XDsmiley.gif This whole day of silence thing I don't really get either. Gay rights activists are some of the loudest people on the planet! "omgz nobody listens to us we has no voice!" stfu ph00lz! quit yer whinin'. No offense. ;)wink.gif (of course imo the debate shouldn't even exist as the government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage in the first place) I would also say religion is a moot point. Separation of church and state plzkthx. :)smile.gif
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 01:39:00 pm
The government shouldn't deal with a lot of things, but it is total bulls**t if you think a country could survive without a government so personally I don't give a f**k. The government is hot on Rockstar's tail for the Manhunt 2 release, because as you have heard they had to cut a majority of their game due to "violations". The thing is that Rockstar just tells the truth about life. So with that...

Are people scared of seeing, and admitting what really happens in life? You can't post pictures about 9/11 without people tell you that you are a f**king idiot, and you are insulting the families.

Telling the truth is an insult?

Point is, people don't like to deal with life in actuality. We can't make a game about sex, and not have it banned, although that same 13 year old who plays the game is probably going to go out and have sex either way.

Defending things with the bible really isn't something that should be done.

How can you protest Resistance Fall of Man with the bible? and say it is immoral and insensitive to the future.

My point being, religion/church should be separated from anything that doesn't explicitly have to deal with religion/church.

EDIT:

Don't say a f**king debate won't change anything. If that was what the whole world thought, then what happened at Jena Six?
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 01:50:00 pm
Imho a debate can change things, it would need to be taken further than on a small forum like this one though ;)wink.gif

And I wouldn't like if we were left with no government, because economy would fall and the entire country would turn into chaos. Just when the quebec city mayor died a few weeks ago the time they elected someone to replace her, which took 3 days, it was alerady starting getting hot there. But government shouldn't have to deal with everything, especially not religion. I never understood why religion, especially catholic one still take a big place in society even after discovering 90% of the priest sexually abused childrens in dormitories in the mid 1900s and still do today
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Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 02:20:00 pm
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The government shouldn't deal with a lot of things, but it is total bulls**t if you think a country could survive without a government so personally I don't give a f**k. The government is hot on Rockstar's tail for the Manhunt 2 release, because as you have heard they had to cut a majority of their game due to "violations". The thing is that Rockstar just tells the truth about life. So with that...

Are people scared of seeing, and admitting what really happens in life? You can't post pictures about 9/11 without people tell you that you are a f**king idiot, and you are insulting the families.

Telling the truth is an insult?

Point is, people don't like to deal with life in actuality. We can't make a game about sex, and not have it banned, although that same 13 year old who plays the game is probably going to go out and have sex either way.

Defending things with the bible really isn't something that should be done.

How can you protest Resistance Fall of Man with the bible? and say it is immoral and insensitive to the future.

My point being, religion/church should be separated from anything that doesn't explicitly have to deal with religion/church.

EDIT:

Don't say a f**king debate won't change anything. If that was what the whole world thought, then what happened at Jena Six?

Whoah whoah hold on here where are you getting this. :gah:fou.gif I never said I was an anarchist and what the hell does manhunt 2 have anything to do with this? (btw you can get the original version online if you... know where to look. ;)wink.gif ) As for it telling the truth about life... hehe I don't think that game was meant to be realistic rofl. Resistance Fall of Man the church of england got mad at 'cause they used one of their churches in the game. They are being rather unreasonable about it, though I don't understand what this has to do with gay rights either.

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90% of the priest sexually abused childrens in dormitories in the mid 1900s and still do today

O_Oshocked2.gif Uhh... no. Just no. In fact 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of priests don't abuse anybody... that's kinda... against the whole idea of being a priest. Holy s***, dunno where you got THAT statistic from... Cases of sexual abuse by Catholic priests are actually probably one of the rarest things on the planet. No offense but you have a highly warped view of the catholic faith.  
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 02:26:00 pm
Yeah I guess I just got off topic, but the thing that pisses me off is that developers can spend 3-4 years slaving away on a game just to have it ripped apart, and said to not be allowed by the bible.

And I was more or less talking about GTA being realistic. How can you deny a videogame's release, but allow porn sites that are accessible to children through a simple click of saying you are 18? I just don't see the logic in that.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 02:34:00 pm
It's not the bible, it's fricking ESRB. They hate rockstar remember? The bible had nothing to do with it as I recall. At most a few people may have used it as an excuse to agree with ESRB but that's it. Personally I <3 GTA =)
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 02:38:00 pm
Geez, dude can you stop skewing my points. The bible was involved with Resistance fall of man, not Rockstar.

Also it is very stupid to hate Rockstar as a whole as it was mainly Rockstar North.

And ESRB is a joke. I think they just need to die.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 02:38:00 pm
did they really banned games from USA? o.oblink.gif
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 02:42:00 pm
The original Manhunt 2 was banned in Ireland, and England. That forced Rockstar to cut their game down by 40%, and send that version to ESRB, which got a M rating.

They obviously could have released the original version, but as we know AO is basically a death note to your videogame. Which is easy to tell as I bet no one has even heard of 5 out of the 24 games that have an AO rating. Some of them are even from respected developers such as Vivendi, Atari, and others.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 02:43:00 pm
No, it isn't banned but ESRB rated it AO (adult's only) which means 90% of retailers won't sell it. :/confused.gif So they remade it so it could be rated M. No more ripping nuts off with pliers I'm afraid. XDsmiley.gif ESRB is a joke, did you know they don't even play the games? They just watch preview vids. And yeah they hate rockstar because they hate GTA and then *really* hated GTA:SA because of the hidden sex scenes and now they always rain down their much haet on rockstar.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 02:48:00 pm
They don't play the games?!?!?! What the hell. They shouldn't even be rating them then. Either way I like Rockstar, and I would be more than happy to work on one of their many teams.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 02:54:00 pm
Over here some retaillers sells M games to 8 years old, they wont even respect the ratings
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 05:43:00 pm
Hmm, some places around here will card you for buying an M rated game. The ratings are pretty much BS anyways though.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2007, 05:51:00 pm
Indeed. On the GBA same games that were released on the Playstation were rated T on Playstation and E on gba
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: spengo on September 16, 2007, 07:00:00 pm
well that's understandable, the games are quite different. :oohmy.gif Little teeny gba screens with 2D gore is not nearly as bad as uber ps2 graphics on a big screen.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 16, 2007, 07:03:00 pm
Yes, but you cannot go by that idea. Wolfenstein recieved a M rating in its time. And the blood, nor the people, nor the graphics looked at all realistic.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: necro on September 16, 2007, 08:22:00 pm
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supporting of gays and the like, there are a lot of people (myself included) who feel that it is unnatural and wrong.

Yay for gays and lesbians, boo for people that hate them.  I think the problem is people don't watch enough porn  :)smile.gif .  Anyways, I heard only two phrases I'll rehash on: first, as most species of animals besides  humans have some percentage of their populations homosexual, i think it would qualify as natural.
And second, people aren't supposed to do anything.  Life, quite fortunately, doesn't have a predefined prime directive or purpose or anything of the sort.  Rather, we can choose our own hopes, dreams, and goals.  There is no inherent need to reproduce other than to sate an instinct.

Anyways, I would much rather have a national science day...maybe celebrate with DNA strand streamers and lively discussion about quantum physics or the nature of infinity or just a little reading up on bucky balls and carbon nanofibers and nanotori, or arguing over whether dimensional tunneling is remotely plausible or silly school boyish duncery, and of course reading up on some of the newest fossils and neat tech toys and next wonder drugs you would want to forge a prescription for, and so forth.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on September 17, 2007, 12:35:00 am
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QUOTE (Halifax @ 16 Sep, 2007, 19:39)
The government shouldn't deal with a lot of things, but it is total bulls**t if you think a country could survive without a government so personally I don't give a f**k. The government is hot on Rockstar's tail for the Manhunt 2 release, because as you have heard they had to cut a majority of their game due to "violations". The thing is that Rockstar just tells the truth about life. So with that...

Are people scared of seeing, and admitting what really happens in life? You can't post pictures about 9/11 without people tell you that you are a f**king idiot, and you are insulting the families.

Telling the truth is an insult?

Point is, people don't like to deal with life in actuality. We can't make a game about sex, and not have it banned, although that same 13 year old who plays the game is probably going to go out and have sex either way.

Defending things with the bible really isn't something that should be done.

How can you protest Resistance Fall of Man with the bible? and say it is immoral and insensitive to the future.

My point being, religion/church should be separated from anything that doesn't explicitly have to deal with religion/church.

EDIT:

Don't say a f**king debate won't change anything. If that was what the whole world thought, then what happened at Jena Six?

i didnt say that... i said it wont really have any effect on this issue because people's points of views on this issue are so innately built into them. there is no logic that those who believe gays are evil can throw at you because they are going on bible and what thier parents/society have taught them. others who feel that they are just different and judge them by what they do and who they are and who dont clump all gays into one big bin get nothing but crap thrown at them in the form of debate. i do not however believe that debating is useless just that its better to avoid flamewars and the like (which is my experiance) in this one case.

also i think family needs to be referenced here (satire about society): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7027708764389905359&q=family+guy+gay&total=820&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

also how did this convo switch to videogames, ive read the posts and i still dont know what that guy is saying
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 17, 2007, 03:46:00 am
I think the best way to avoid flame war is to completly keep religion out of any debates. Also I agree that people should quit putting everyone of a group into the same bin, this doesn't just happen with gay people, it happened with many other groups too
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Halifax on September 17, 2007, 08:16:00 am
QuoteBegin-dinhotheone+17 Sep, 2007, 6:35-->
QUOTE (dinhotheone @ 17 Sep, 2007, 6:35)
QuoteBegin-Halifax+16 Sep, 2007, 19:39-->
QUOTE (Halifax @ 16 Sep, 2007, 19:39)
The government shouldn't deal with a lot of things, but it is total bulls**t if you think a country could survive without a government so personally I don't give a f**k. The government is hot on Rockstar's tail for the Manhunt 2 release, because as you have heard they had to cut a majority of their game due to "violations". The thing is that Rockstar just tells the truth about life. So with that...

Are people scared of seeing, and admitting what really happens in life? You can't post pictures about 9/11 without people tell you that you are a f**king idiot, and you are insulting the families.

Telling the truth is an insult?

Point is, people don't like to deal with life in actuality. We can't make a game about sex, and not have it banned, although that same 13 year old who plays the game is probably going to go out and have sex either way.

Defending things with the bible really isn't something that should be done.

How can you protest Resistance Fall of Man with the bible? and say it is immoral and insensitive to the future.

My point being, religion/church should be separated from anything that doesn't explicitly have to deal with religion/church.

EDIT:

Don't say a f**king debate won't change anything. If that was what the whole world thought, then what happened at Jena Six?

i didnt say that... i said it wont really have any effect on this issue because people's points of views on this issue are so innately built into them. there is no logic that those who believe gays are evil can throw at you because they are going on bible and what thier parents/society have taught them. others who feel that they are just different and judge them by what they do and who they are and who dont clump all gays into one big bin get nothing but crap thrown at them in the form of debate. i do not however believe that debating is useless just that its better to avoid flamewars and the like (which is my experiance) in this one case.

also i think family needs to be referenced here (satire about society): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7027708764389905359&q=family+guy+gay&total=820&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

also how did this convo switch to videogames, ive read the posts and i still dont know what that guy is saying  

 Oh, my bad then, I apologize dinhotheone.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on September 17, 2007, 12:42:00 pm
dont worry about it, i wouldve said the same sorta thing if i saw someone saying that debating is useless
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: JonimusPrime on September 17, 2007, 01:06:00 pm
Let it Be
The is my view on this issue they think or want to or are gay let them be I don't care if they start hitting on my manliness then maybe I'll care but other then that whatever. the Beatles made that song for a reason so listen to it.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on September 17, 2007, 01:48:00 pm
*Super Speler
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: JonimusPrime on September 17, 2007, 01:55:00 pm
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QUOTE (Super Speler @ 17 Sep, 2007, 19:48)
*Super Speler commends TheStorm for bringing the Beatles into this thread.  It's exactly what it needs.  

 *TheStorm
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 18, 2007, 04:34:00 am
o.oblink.gif....
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: JonimusPrime on September 18, 2007, 10:12:00 am
Its an album I' wasn't really naked its just the name. :Ptongue.gif
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 18, 2007, 03:35:00 pm
ok phew
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Zera on November 01, 2007, 04:13:00 pm
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Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2007, 05:40:00 pm
Well said grendel. Imagine, for example, a member of the forum is best friend with another one, they get to know each others for one entire year, then suddently one reveals on the forum he's gay, and the other start hating him, I think worse stuff than one of the person leaving could happen, to the person who declare herself gay.

I don't mind some off topic discussions on the forum though, even if it involves some debates, but I keep an eye on topic like this one or about politic, abortion and any other controversial stuff, because it can easily go out of hand. I'm glad that besides when lordofthegeeks  came in this topic things stayed kinda under control though, you should have seen the similar topic that was posted on United-TI back then. It wasn't involving flame wars, but it was close o.oblink.gif

That said, I agree with the fact that this site is more of a work place and technical discussion stuff and not really moral stuff. Not to brag, but I think this forum is the most calc games oriented TI forum out there.

That said in the past there was a lot of arguments in the past involving calc programming unfortunately, so it wasn't just politic, religion, sexual orientation, etc. There was a time when using TI-BASIC (or ASM libs + TI-BASIC) was almost a crime on some TI forums, you would get bashed pretty bad for using it, even if your game was better than some ASM games. :(sad.gif

Having been a TI-BASIC user for 6 and half a year and still failed at ASM you can guess I got bashed pretty bad often back then -.-blah.gif.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Zera on December 02, 2007, 10:36:00 am
I'm sorry, but this discussion is going to continue to bother me until I say something. It's really crawling under my skin at the moment.

First of all, this thread was about a holiday -- not religious morality or evolutionary science. However, a few members brought it upon theirselves to participate in this discussion SOLEY to illustrate their feelings against homosexuality. The fact that they are against it does not bother me in the least bit -- it's the fact that they have absolutely NO regard for anything outside of their own beliefs and just had to rain on Netham's parade with pages of off-topic discussion about what's natural and what's not. That wasn't the point of this thread. All Nathem wanted to do was remind people about a holiday, in case any of our members were interested in checking it out. Yes, I'm sure we do have a few gay / bi members here, myself included.

The next time a topic about religion comes up, I'm going to post only to state my disapproval of religion based on how religious members have represented their lack of respect for anyone other than theirselves.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2007, 11:31:00 am
I think there is around 8 people here who are gay/bi, IRC channel included. Only half are still active though. There may be more though because it takes a lot for one person to reveal such stuff to public.

I just hope that the people who are against homosexuality doesn't hate those ppl, like, if a friend reveal them he is then he start hating him and doesn't want to talk to him anymore. That would be pretty homophobic and homophoby should be banned from the entire world, as it is as worse (if not more) as racism, discrimination, slander, libel and elitism. Why hate somebody for a skin color or their sexual orientation? Especially if the person doesnt bother you with it and act normal toward yourself?

If somebody hate gay people here with no exception, they might as well leave Omnimaga forums, because they have no idea how many people here and the IRC channel are either gay or bi! O_Oshocked2.gif I know at least 15% of the entire Omnimaga staff, including managers and admin are.  
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Speler on December 02, 2007, 11:33:00 am
Yup, omnimaga is just one big colorful gay pride parade :)smile.gif.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2007, 11:37:00 am
It may be higher percentage actually, because only 6 or 7 staff actually ever revealed their orientation IIRC. And there is member who're bi/gay too, here and other TI forums.

Just to tell how people could be there used to be lot of people who hated someone for the simple fact that he used TI-BASIC inside a game and doesn't know ASM.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 02, 2007, 12:10:00 pm
People tend to fear and shun that which is different from what they are accostumed to and that which is different from themselves. I don't know if humanity will ever reach a point in which discrimination due to diferences of race/sexuality/religon/whatever are not an issue. I would encourge people to keep an open mind and instead of taking the easy way out by fearing or shuning what you don't understand; try and at least understand it. Diversity has and will always exist on many levels and while you may not agree with someone elses differences, at least try to and acknowledge the fact that they are unique and you are also because that is just the way the world is.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: MSR5 on December 02, 2007, 04:41:00 pm
i really don't care if a person is gay or not, just as long as it does not makes problems for society. also the entire gay thing is just a waste of time, if some one is gay they are gay and no one can change it, so people should just let it be not complain about something they will never be able to change. and anyways it is a good thing that some people are gay because then they can't have children, and with the earth starting to be over populated it is good that they can't contribute to earth's population probleml.  lastly people that cann't just let it be are idiotic in that belief since it justs promotes fear of gays and wastes time and energy when something much more productive for humanity can be done instead of arguring the point of if it is bad or not. I mean you have to also relize that gays are human too.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2007, 05:09:00 pm
I dont really agree with the kid thing entirely. I think less kids in country like china and 3rd world country may be a good thing, cuz those kid often suffers anyway, but in country like Canada there are so few kids that they predict that 30% of the population will be above 65 years old and total population will decrease at fast rates.

There is also the gay parade things, I think it got overrated with the time. It always look more like attention begging than trying to convince ppl gay are like each others. On top of that almost all guys are disguised as women x.x, it just look weird and overrated imo. I just think that if such parade was neccessary that there should be one for black ppl, arabs, asians and all ethnicities everywhere a gay parade occurs.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on December 02, 2007, 05:47:00 pm
i too think the parade is useless, despite my view on homosexual people, having a parade really does nothing to help how they are viewwed. if anything, it does the opposite

Title: Day of Silence
Post by: Zera on December 03, 2007, 07:58:00 am
QUOTE
... and just had to rain on Netham's parade with pages of off-topic discussion about what's natural and what's not. That wasn't the point of this thread. All Nathem wanted to do was remind people about a holiday, in case any of our members were interested in checking it out.


I take it no one really caught the point I was trying to make.

I just don't understand why the most trivial mention of homosexuality has to result in a full social dissection of gay issues like adoption, marriage, and so forth. Although, I guess those subjects actually do relate to the Day of Silence, so this is somewhat of a moot point to be illustrating at the wrong time. Either way, it's just my frustration speaking.
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 03, 2007, 08:23:00 am
sorry for being off topic, I just wanted to point out that hating of a specific group of people as a whole was bad. But i guess thats to be expected since the holidays relates to homosexuality. If you posted a topic about the anniversary of sept 11st  2001 terrorist attacks it would be certain that ppl would start talking about how terrorism is bad and others that USA  asked for a terrorist attacks.

That said I was wondering if the Day Of Silence always occurs at the same date every year? Because I never heard of it before I saw this topic and over here it got announced in newspaper almost one month after it occured. Is it just an american holiday?
Title: Day of Silence
Post by: dinhotheone on December 03, 2007, 09:07:00 am
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QUOTE (grendel @ 3 Dec, 2007, 13:58)
QUOTE
... and just had to rain on Netham's parade with pages of off-topic discussion about what's natural and what's not. That wasn't the point of this thread. All Nathem wanted to do was remind people about a holiday, in case any of our members were interested in checking it out.


I take it no one really caught the point I was trying to make.

I just don't understand why the most trivial mention of homosexuality has to result in a full social dissection of gay issues like adoption, marriage, and so forth. Although, I guess those subjects actually do relate to the Day of Silence, so this is somewhat of a moot point to be illustrating at the wrong time. Either way, it's just my frustration speaking.

because there is no universal answer for the question, is homosexuality okay. when someone posts something about how on a certain day, a group of people are getting together to celebrate a certain viewpoint, inevitably people are going to post saying that they support the opposite. whch then leads to defence of the original view, and so on.