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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: NeoCrisis on June 25, 2011, 10:34:45 am
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Hi and goodbye everyone.
As my dad explicitely forces me to stop coding, i'm now retiring from coding. I may be still on the IRC sometimes, but i don't think so, depends on my dad.
He will receive a copy of this message, in order for him to understand how much i like coding and doing calculator stuff.
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Hi and goodbye everyone.
As my dad explicitely forces me to stop coding, i'm now retiring from coding. I may be still on the IRC sometimes, but i don't think so, depends on my dad.
He will receive a copy of this message, in order for him to understand how much i like coding and doing calculator stuff.
Wow, I think it sucks for a parent to force their children to stop doing what they like most, especially when it's coding. I think he has to understand, like I made my father understand, that coding is what I wanna do for a living and that it's what's gonna make me earn money when I'm an adult and the more experience I have now, the better coder I will be when I'm an adult.
I'm very sorry for you rayquaza, I think that's just not what a father should do, and personally I can't stop coding now, I hope you can manage to get used to it :( Will you at least be able to code Axe/Basic on your calc?
I hope you can go back to coding some day :)
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nope ephan :/ since i have a nspire xD
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nope ephan :/ since i have a nspire xD
Nspire Basic is better than nothing. There's also on-calc console for Lua, but that's not really coding.
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Oh, this is so horrible! I hope your father will change his mind :/
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If possible, I'd be curious to hear about the reasons invoked by your father for forbidding you to keep programming... Are these reasons decent and sane ?
If you're coding waaay more than you should, with the result that you're very tired, and your marks have switched from 15/20 to 5/20, he has a point; if he wants you to learn a job other than programming (for some reason), he does not necessarily have a point.
EDIT: as posted on IRC, I'll add that as long as you're under-age, and financially dependent from your family, you probably don't have much of a choice to comply...
And it seems that his father wants him to stop programming, even if rayquaza wants to have a job in programming later. And he wrote that his marks remained good. So I'm leaning towards his father not having a point...
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hmm... that sucks. all i can do is offer my condolences, i suppose, and tell you that you aren't the only one with this sort of issue. you should definitely try to hop on irc at least, because being around people with interests that are similar to yours every now and then can be incredibly helpful.
i'm also kind of hesitant to say this, because i don't know the details or what relationship you have with your father, but you should try to find some outlet for your coding that you can manage without his seeing (borrowing a friends laptop, getting a hold of some hand-held that offers coding options, or something like that) because in the end simply complying with your father in this situation would both be bad for your health and bad for your future career. before trying something like that, though, you should do your best to try to explain yourself to him and try to make him reconsider. one's relationship with one's father is pretty important as well, and if there's any way to salvage it you should definitely try.
good luck with life!
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Sorry, dude, but I understand where you're coming from. Personally, my dad doesn't like me programming, spending time on Omnimaga, and he certainly doesn't like me being an admin here. Oh well.
Good luck with everything, rayquaza. :)
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And it seems that his father wants him to stop programming, even if rayquaza wants to have a job in programming later. And he wrote that his marks remained good. So I'm leaning towards his father not having a point...
That's terrible. D:
Good luck, rayquaza, and I hope you can convince him otherwise!
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I am getting more grateful for my parents every day. The just let me be and actually I sometimes show them what I have made, they don't understand how I manage to make the things I do but they are certainly interested.
My condolences, like others have said, I have no idea what your relationship with your father is but to me, personally, I don't think it's good parenting to keep your kid from the one thing that he likes most. I can even go further on this, there has been a scientist doing research about geniusses, the one thing that made a genius was nurturing. His daughter once grabbed a chess game and asked how it worked, she was fascinated by how the game worked and her dad (the scientist) taught her every time he came from work more about chess. She is now a world wide recognized champion in chess. Reason one, she chose chess herself. Reason two: her dad did not force anything unto her but let her chose what she liked, in this case chess, he then supported it and nurtured it.
I see if I can find the video in which this story is explained...it's been a while since I watched it...
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I hate parents who prevents their son from doing what they like...
Anyway sorry to hear and I hope you still participate to forum discussions from time to time. It would suck to see you go forever :(
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Sorry to hear :(
Hope you can program stuff again.
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well this stinks. i hope you stick around when you can and remember us for a long time to come ^_^ let others know and enjoy. hopefully life goes well for you. parents reasons may not always be the best but they almost always have a good reason behind it. trust and love them no matter how much you dont want to for them taking what you love.
we will always be here if you can come back if not good luck on life and pursue what you dream!
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It's sad when parents do this to their own children. I wish the best of luck in convincing him to change his mind. Is your dad just against calculator coding, or all types? If you can still code computer programs, that's better than nothing. Do you have any relatives that are programmers? Maybe they could talk to your dad as well.
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This is never right. Parents should never stop children from pursuing their dreams.
What would cause your dad to do this to you? This is almost as bad as mental abuse! There is NO VIABLE REASON IN THE WORLD for a parent to stop their child from doing anything, especially coding! You already have your calculators and computer right? Then you surely have the means to continue your dream and career!
Make your brain always think in code, and you will never forget that language!
Good luck.
(Could someone give me an idea what's going on?)
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You know, is it me or has this happened more in the past few years than it used to? There are also parents that just plain block every site their kid likes even if they got 99% marks. My parents were fine with 70% and even rewarded me (not as much as when I got 80%, but still...)
I wonder if it got too bad if it would be possible for the entire internet, even if anon gets involved, to get together and in the world gather in the streets to denounce the diminishing freedom for kids from their parents and do some sort of march (not riot, though) for teenagers/student freedom, regarding their future plans, to show that parents shouldn't be allowed to prevent their kids from majoring in something in particular because they hate that stuff, such as technology. I don't know... something to maybe get governments to pass a bill that makes computer filters usage on non-adult sites illegal, same for parents who don't want their kid to pursue a carreer in programming, for example. Some sort of war against technophobic parents.
I'm not talking about parents that don't want their kid to go online past 9 PM or ground them for violating parent rules, but parents that just deliberately tries to prevent their kids from doing what they like, just because themselves hate those hobbies.
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Maybe make it so teenagers have more rights than minors do today, but less rights than an adult?
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Wear all black clothing with lots of chains and spikes, and get a few tattoos.
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Don't.
We have to show the world we are normal human beings too.
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Don't.
We have to show the world we are normal human beings too.
The fact is that we're not :P
How many "normal" people feel the desire to make a machine perform odd tasks?
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Sorry to hear that D:
When you say coding, do you mean just calc programming or coding whatsoever?
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What I can't get my head around is, why ground your child from something that's productive?! You really have to fight them on this one. This is YOUR future, not theirs. You have to show them that this is what you want and what you are going to do regardless. Show them that this is not a bad influence. Perhaps even show them this thread so they can see for themselves the support you are getting.
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He did show his father this thread and apparently it made the problem even worse.
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write down all the electronic devices you know that use software, and let your father write down all electronic devices that doesn't use software. Than maybe he'll understand how important coding can be in this digital age. I'm telling you: there are microchips and processors in everything right now.
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I'm really sorry to hear this.
To some extent, I can relate to this, but I can't imagine them trying to stop me from coding altogether.
My suggestion, for what it's worth, is to just let the situation settle down a bit, then show your dad that you are responsible enough to code and still manage your time and grades effectively.
Good luck, and we hope to see you back soon!
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At the very least you should find a workaround. Perhaps still writing code via pencil and paper and having a friend write it and compile it. Or something like that. :S
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Idk, that's risky...
Again, he needs to show his dad he's responsible enough to do that, and the situation will resolve itself.
If he gets caught, that would not be at all good for him. :(
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He did show his father this thread and apparently it made the problem even worse.
I can imagine. Getting everyone pitted against his dad and then having him read it isn't the best idea... X.x
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Why are parents so antagonizing to their children's efforts?
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He did show his father this thread and apparently it made the problem even worse.
THis sucks. Personally though, if his parents are like that, like SirCmpwn/Shmibs's parents I would move out as soon as I reach 18 years old.
He did show his father this thread and apparently it made the problem even worse.
I can imagine. Getting everyone pitted against his dad and then having him read it isn't the best idea... X.x
Although he kinda deserved it IMHO. I don't think parents should prevent people from doing something they enjoy that is productive if it doesn't harm him or his grades.
I think it is OK to install computer filters if your kid is under 13 or 14, but then lift some restrictions, while still monitoring what he does online (making sure they won't frequent bad sites). I think some parents are just jealous that younger people know about technology more in general and use it easier, so they hate technology and try to force their opinions of technology on others by preventing them from using it.
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If you do truly love something you should pursue it. That's all I'll say.
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Don't.
We have to show the world we are normal human beings too.
The fact is that we're not :P
How many "normal" people feel the desire to make a machine perform odd tasks?
That's my idea of normal.
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I'm seriously considering going to talk to his dad, as I live nearby... Show him that the fact that I started coding on calcs helped me in my studies, because coding is used in many scientific domains. Yeah, I think I'll email rayquaza to try and arrange a meeting or something.
EDIT: email sent, waiting for an answer
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While I may not be accurate, I can only guess it's because his dad is like mine: a bit protective and only wants kids to do things they find productive, which is fine but it'll really robotize the kid into doing only schoolwork and having no external fun. I could be entirely wrong, though. The only I know is that if I were his dad and I read this thread I would be pretty pissed.
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I'm seriously considering going to talk to his dad, as I live nearby... Show him that the fact that I started coding on calcs helped me in my studies, because coding is used in many scientific domains. Yeah, I think I'll email rayquaza to try and arrange a meeting or something.
EDIT: email sent, waiting for an answer
Silver Shadow: That's great from you, make sure you don't get into trouble though.
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I'm seriously considering going to talk to his dad, as I live nearby... Show him that the fact that I started coding on calcs helped me in my studies, because coding is used in many scientific domains. Yeah, I think I'll email rayquaza to try and arrange a meeting or something.
EDIT: email sent, waiting for an answer
That's not a very good idea. It'll most likely just get rayquaza in trouble for talking with strangers and will make the dad feel embarrassed that other people are getting involved (like if you child is screaming in a store for sweeties, you won't let them have it, and people around you criticize you for not letting them have it) and will just bring more wrath upon him.
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I'm seriously considering going to talk to his dad, as I live nearby... Show him that the fact that I started coding on calcs helped me in my studies, because coding is used in many scientific domains. Yeah, I think I'll email rayquaza to try and arrange a meeting or something.
EDIT: email sent, waiting for an answer
That's not a very good idea. It'll most likely just get rayquaza in trouble for talking with strangers and will make the dad feel embarrassed that other people are getting involved (like if you child is screaming in a store for sweeties, you won't let them have it, and people around you criticize you for not letting them have it) and will just bring more wrath upon him.
I'm not a complete stranger, I was in the same school as him. And I'll only do this if he's OK with it, and will be extra careful when talking to his dad, I don't want to bring him more trouble.
Besides, this isn't sweeties we're talking about, it's about something useful that can turn into a career.
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Besides, this isn't sweeties we're talking about, it's about something useful that can turn into a career.
Agreed. That's one of the things that his father needs to understand.
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I think it's wrong for you guys to be intrusive, it's just a choice his dad made and it's an invasion of privacy to bother him.
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This definitely requires tact. You should let things settle down for a few days or so and then try to sway his opinion. No use just adding fuel to the fire. :/
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In any case, I'll wait for rayquaza's reply before doing anything.
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While coding can definitely turn into a career, it's a rather tenuous link between custom designed calc languages and "real" programming, which is often vastly different. Also, you're assuming Rayquaza's dad is rational. As much as I hate to admit it, that's quite often a bad assumption to make. Thirdly, Rayquaza's dad is his legal guardian. That means that he can legally force Rayquaza to do pretty much whatever he wants. Going over to his house, being a stranger he's never met before and thus has little to no influence, and telling him that his parenting is faulty...? If he's like the majority of parents out there, he's probably going to be at least annoyed. It may even reflect badly on Rayquaza, leading to further restrictions of his privileges. Let Rayquaza handle it, since he has the advantage of influence over his father.
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What RQ needs to do is show his parents that he's not rebelling against them, but just doing what he thinks/beleives will help his future. Calculator programming is still programming. It will only open up gateways that will assist him in his future.
RQ: Show your dad some stuff that you wrote that helped the people of this community. He could see that how your programs are helping others pursue their educational goals and helping to make the community better. Once he see's that, he'll most likely let you do a little bit from time to time. Also, if you ever negotiate to program, it better be an all or nothing deal, because if you can only program once per week (for example) you will inevitably forget all of the code and lost your spot on your programs. Really, if you lose this argument and desperate to code. nSpire BASIC still doees the trick.
Maybe your parents are right, maybe their not. But NEVER let anyone stand if front of your goals and ambitions. ;)
Good luck.~
(Could someone explain half the situation? Apparently, the other half is in the IRC. :P )
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+1 for putting that into words. I was thinking of a way to say that, but you did it perfectly.
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This is horrible I have convinced my parents that programming is good(they don't want me testing stuff on their computers though...) I hope you can convince your parents that programming is good and will help you/them
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This is horrible I have convinced my parents that programming is good(they don't want me testing stuff on their computers though...) I hope you can convince your parents that programming is good and will help you/them
I was lucky with that: My dad works at IBM, and as soon as i started to gain interest in programming, he helped me with it. The same is not true for calcs: I haven't told my dad yet that I program my calc, becouse I don't know how he would react. Now he doesn't even knows my calc is programmable.
So if you want to convince your parents that programming is good, show them some useful stuff you have made for a computer, becouse most people thinks programming calcs is strange.
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While coding can definitely turn into a career, it's a rather tenuous link between custom designed calc languages and "real" programming, which is often vastly different. Also, you're assuming Rayquaza's dad is rational. As much as I hate to admit it, that's quite often a bad assumption to make. Thirdly, Rayquaza's dad is his legal guardian. That means that he can legally force Rayquaza to do pretty much whatever he wants. Going over to his house, being a stranger he's never met before and thus has little to no influence, and telling him that his parenting is faulty...? If he's like the majority of parents out there, he's probably going to be at least annoyed. It may even reflect badly on Rayquaza, leading to further restrictions of his privileges. Let Rayquaza handle it, since he has the advantage of influence over his father.
I'm not gonna just walk into the house like that :P I'm perfectly aware of the fact that he decides what his son does, I'm not gonna say that his decisions are faulty or whatever. I'll just tell him how programming has affected MY life, and how it helped me in my studies. And I won't do anything if rayquaza isn't OK with it.
From what rayquaza said, I gather that he stopped coding whatsoever, not just on calc, so it's not an issue about doing it on a calc.
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By the way it's not true that calc programming cannot help on your carreer. KermMartian, for example, said it did help him a lot to get where he is now.
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Same for me, among a number of TI calculators long-timers: I wouldn't be where I am "now" (until the end of June), if I hadn't done a sizable amount of calculator programming.
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Silver Shadow: I think it is good what you are trying to do, but do as the others say and do it carefully. I just saw this and do agree with you guys, but thankfully (or not?) I can not relate to the situation because my parents support me with anything I do.
But Rayquaza, I'm so sorry to hear this. I understand how much you love this, and this community. Even though I don't understand exactly what you are going through, I understand how parents can sometimes be unfair. I hope your father sees how important programming is to today's world. How necessary it is to what we do daily.
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Thanks everybody!!
Actually my dad took my TI-Nspire, my phone, my Nintendo DS, and I can't go on the computer! I'm connected from my school, where I have to update/upgrade the computers, but in less than a week i won't be able to go on the computer :/
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Oooh. Not good at all.
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He took your Nspire ? Man, I could not stand that. I just love this calc.
I would do anything to get my Nspire back (Well, maybe it's because I bought it myself)
I feel really sad for you. My dad even helps me programming on calc sometimes.
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Rayquaza, if it's not too personal, could you tell us exactly why he's doing this to you? If I knew specifically why, I could help more so, since my dad did this to me multiple times before and I know a way to counter every reason they through at you (now my dad knows he'll lose so he encourages me to do a little programming each day, like maybe hour -- but got good at sneaking so I get in like 6 total)
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Rayquaza, if it's not too personal, could you tell us exactly why he's doing this to you? If I knew specifically why, I could help more so, since my dad did this to me multiple times before and I know a way to counter every reason they through at you (now my dad knows he'll lose so he encourages me to do a little programming each day, like maybe hour -- but got good at sneaking so I get in like 6 total)
I'm having a hard time understanding what's happning on RQ's end as well. From what I assume, most of what happens is lost in the IRC. Someone give a quick summary, please?
And he took you nSpire?!? That's not right. I still don't understand how financial problems could end your programming hobby. If you got the calcs, you got the ability to program.
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Ouch. How can your dad do this to you???
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This is just wrong. I am so sorry for you Rayquaza
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Clearly, your dad is determined to stop you from coding, which is why I would more strongly than before suggest letting things cool down a bit before you start negotiating.