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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on December 26, 2007, 10:06:00 pm

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 26, 2007, 10:06:00 pm

In case in the next weeks you wonder where I am I may not be very active or not at all active due to recent events. ATM I don't feel like I am able to contribute anymore, because anything I try to do ends up not working or ends up being useless. You have no idea how pissed I am at the moment. Nobody have done something bad, I am pissed because everything I touch doesn't work, anything I plan doesn't work, anything I do doesn't work, anything I spend weeks working on doesn't work, i have no luck with anything. I lost interest in programming, so I tried something less heavy on my shoulders (updating one of my odl PC game), and guess what? No one can run it except me. I cannot solve the bug since I am unable to create it so the f***ing game is gone in the trash bin now, forever. Idk what will happen next with me, but i expect worse so idk what I will do and how I will continue

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: lordofthegeeks on December 27, 2007, 01:08:00 am

So kay Djomnimaga. I have Periods of time like that.
I break them by doing something compleaty away from what I am having no luck at.

I root for you all the way.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 02:24:00 am

Don't worry. Everyone goes through problems like this. It's called debugging. ;)

You won't believe how much bad luck I've had with some of my projects, to the point where I've had to trash all my resources and start again from scratch. That's just the tedious nature of creativity for you.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Spellshaper on December 27, 2007, 02:31:00 am

Heh. I can relate to that. Maybe it's I am kind of a perfectionist, but when something I had a hand in doesn't turn out exactly the way I want it to, I first lose interest, force myself to do it anyway, then finally get angry enough to stop alltogether. At least for a while, until my ehrgeiz (woo, another german word that has found its way into the english language) kicks back in.

Actually I am surprised that you found the strength to keep going for so long. Kudos for that. If you need a break, then by all means, take one, you of all people here earned it. ;)

Btw: I don't think deleting the source was a good idea. I often find myself returning to old abandoned projects, and then I get annoyed when I realize I deleted it out of chargrin :(

As I told you, I am here for ya if you need someone to talk to, or even just to work off your anger ^^

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Ranman on December 27, 2007, 03:53:00 am

You may have to distribute a Game Maker DLL file with your game. I remember writing some Visual Basic programs where I had to do something similar.

Good luck!

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: MechaTech84 on December 27, 2007, 05:01:00 am

Not to compare myself to the god of calculator rpg's, but I haven't even made a single game! I made the Bob videos, sure, but they are not all that impressive to those who know what it took to make them, they don't even run off an engine. You on the other hand have made games that are completely awesome! I mostly don't get the games with big file sizes, but your games were totally worth it! I only wish I was even close to your level of awesomeness! If you're having an off month or two or whatever so be it, I'm in the middle of my 2nd off YEAR! But whatever, we all deal with stuff differently...

P.S. the word "awesomeness" should in reality be replaced by the term "awesome-osity", mostly just because I have freedom of speech and I think the latter sounds cooler....

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Netham45 on December 27, 2007, 05:21:00 am

hope you're not leaving because it won't run on mine, my PCs are in a constant state of "WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS THING?!"

But, if you do decide to go(hope not!) I wish you good luck!

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Liazon on December 27, 2007, 06:14:00 am

jeez, sounds like me and all the other projects stuck indefinitely in limbo...

don't worry, you'll figure it out DJ_Omnimaga. maybe you need the break like me.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Radical Pi on December 27, 2007, 08:49:00 am

Here's my advice: Do some deep thinking. Philosophize, if that's a word. Figure out exactly what you need to figure out. It works.
Figure out where you are, where you're going, how you'll get there. And why you want to go there.
No matter what, remember that your life isn't worthless. You have plenty of fans. I still consider you the number one calculator game maker (programming good means nothing if you can't make it fun). You make great music (I'm listening to Escape From Life right now). You are a creator. You have the power to make people happy and have fun.
Everyone goes through rough times once in a while. You probably go through them more often because you're a "creator" and that's a tough job, especially when things you create have to not only be good enough for other people, but for you too. Perfectionism doesn't help.

I hope that made sense, and made you see things in a different way. It's always important to look at things in different ways.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 11:18:00 am

Here's the problem:

Forget aobut netham not being able to run the game, as he runs Vista. My biggest worry is that two people tried the game on XP, and the game crashed at the exact same place (when exiting the cavern after fighting the first enemy) for both people, and I am unable to recreate the error/crash/bug at all. Try to fix a bug that is nonexistent on your end.

Also if the game really have problems then I may be screwed. SInce the game was made using RPG Maker, this means there is no code, so try to debug a crash with no code.

I am pissed because it seems lately that there is always somethign trying to make me stop producing anything lately.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: dinhotheone on December 27, 2007, 11:25:00 am

unfortunate, i hate stuff like that. i recently tried to give 15 people P64k so they could play ssb online, it worked for 3 people. all i can say is, dont give up. try something else, if you cant move foward, attack in a different direction. (sorta like chuck norris)

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Radical Pi on December 27, 2007, 11:29:00 am

I use Vista too, so I probably wouldn't be able to help. But that's still no reason to give up. Sure, it's a reason to be PO'ed, but you shouldn't give up. If RPG Maker itself has a glitch, that's not your problem.
Move on if you need to. But don't stop creating/producing/whatever you want to call it.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 11:32:00 am

I wonder if it's an OS specific problem. Why don't you send it to me and let me test it on Windows 2000?

Also, it could depend on which RPG Maker you're using. If you're using anything prior to XP, that could be your problem. None of them were officially released outside of Japan, so no doubt you're using an unofficial patched version. I think the patched versions require you to distribute a special DLL file with any games you produce.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 11:46:00 am

I use windows XP SP2, like the two guy which the game crashed while exiting the Water Cave. However it worked pretty fine for me, so that's not an OS specific problem.

As for the dll I don't think it is that because the previous version of the game worked fine for almost everyone and no one got problem exiting the cavern. This only happens with the new version, meaning something bad happened with that part of the game. Maybe a file is missing, but which one? It is impossible to tell if I cannot recreate the bug

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 11:56:00 am

QuoteBegin-DJ Omnimaga+27 Dec, 2007, 17:46-->

QUOTE (DJ Omnimaga @ 27 Dec, 2007, 17:46)

Check the specific event scripts in that area, and then cross-check the game's resources to see if a file is missing. (which is the most usual cause of a crash)

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 12:02:00 pm

i yet have to figure out why it worked fine on my pc though

I am gonna try it on my bro's pc when he let me use it (which is next to impossible these days since he's addicted to Yu-Gi-Oh Online). I'll uninstall RPG Maker from his pc and the RTPs as well, then install the game

if I dont get any errors then it's nitacku/dysfunction computers which have problems or a bad video card that doesn't support some 2D stuff properly. If I get the error I'll check the error message. It will be quite a bit problem if there are no error messages though. I checked through the game events and couldn't find anything wrong

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 12:44:00 pm

UPDATE: The game works fine on my bro's PC.

Now my other concern: could this be caused by the fact I am using the french version of RPG Maker and that my game will have compatibilities issues with english versions of Windows? Again the original version worked fine on them but we never know

so I am gonna try to install an english version of RPG Maker 2003 now, and if it support my game I will try to run it through this. I hope it won't wreck the game even more though.

That said,

http://www.mtv-music-generator.com/xlib/mcog2coa.zip

could someone else who have 2000 or XP try the game and if he gets an error message on exiting the cavern please tell me exactly what is written in the error message. It may help me a lot. Thanks

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 01:11:00 pm

I made it through the first cave no problem, and even ventured around the second town.

I'm not sure if the version of RPG Maker you used is compatible with XP. That may be the problem. You can probably remedy this by setting the compatibility layer to 2000.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 01:18:00 pm

at least that's good that someone else managed to do it. In which language is your windows version though?

Oh and RPGMK english installer maker works, unlike the french version (which is why i used another installer maker) but it sucks imho, so I'm gonna stick to winrar or such stuff

EDIT: RPG Maker 2003 is supposed to be compatible with XP, as it was released in 2002 and everyone on french forums can run it fine on XP.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 01:21:00 pm

Multi-language. I doubt language has anything to do with it, though. Your game doesn't have any special encoding.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 01:26:00 pm

Yeah, but can special characters with accents play a role in this? Because maybe the produced files have special character used inside them

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 01:28:00 pm

Diacritical letters are standard with English character sets.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 01:30:00 pm

Ok thats one good thing to hear

Now I am glad that the crash didn't occured on you, meaning it's not the game that have problems nor me who did something wrong (hopefully), but i'm still curious about what was the error message and what causes it for some people :/

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Zera on December 27, 2007, 01:41:00 pm

Since you were able to run it on two different XP systems, and I was able to run it on my 2000 system, I don't think XP is the problem. I think it's just a coincidence that the people who had problems with the game were both using XP. It may be a problem specific to their video adapters, for example.

I wouldn't worry about it. Just include a notation in the readme about possible crashes with some systems. :)

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: Netham45 on December 27, 2007, 02:00:00 pm

threw my Vista PC into XP compatability mode and it played fine.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 02:08:00 pm

thats good to hear. Maybe the new video cards have issues with 2D or such stuff

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: dinhotheone on December 27, 2007, 06:47:00 pm

who were the other two people to test. i believe the most common bug is, EOBCAK of something. error occurs between chair and keyboard. seeing as how even netham on vista was able to run it and grendale on xp could, that may be the problem. now im not sure who you asked to test it, and i dont want to insult anyone obviously, but i think that may be the problem. im testing it once it dl's, ill give results shortly.

it worked good, i beat the first cavern, assuming the error occurs right after they go "we are less strong than three days ago" or something. also audio is better than in the last game :)

the audio error is gone, like i said it would be. the only problem i saw was that the rightmost edge of the screen was cut off. so when people were talking, 2 letters were missing. i dont think its my monitor but idk, i wouldnt worry about it though.

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 07:18:00 pm

i think the error may be related to issues with rpg maker handling mp3s, altoughb I was sure it was fixed in 1.09, but nitacku patched the mp3s anyway, now I,m waiting to see if he can run the game properly. If it's not that then it must be their sound card or their video card. The two people who got the error were Nitacku and dysfunction (from maxcoderz)

Title: DJ Omnimaga is very pissed
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 27, 2007, 08:32:00 pm

update: it was effectively related to the mp3s, thanks nitacku for converting them. Idk why it happened though, because in the readme for RPG Maker 2003 1.09 it says this issue was fixed...