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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Munchor on February 26, 2011, 02:42:22 pm
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After a long conversation on IRC, below, hidden is the log, I decided to create this topic for further discussion of each country's educational system.
<Scout> Also, do you know that everybody in my country who is licensed (has a degree) is called 'doctor'?
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> the workload and deadlines pressure was just too much for me
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> I see
<Scout> Unless if you're an Engineer, then you're an Engineer
<Scout> And a few others, but all degrees are Doctors
<Scout> Doctor with Caps D is when you doctorate and Dr is when you are real doctor (Medicine), doctor is for everyone ;D
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> over here a doctor both means someone who got a top-tier diploma in uni (doctorat) or someone who heal sick people at hospitals
<SpyBot45> (O) New post by Freyaday in What am I doing wrong here? http://omniurl.tk/6746/124625
<OmnomIRC> <Xeda112358> It takes 10 years after highschhol to be labled a Doctor, here.
<Scout> Xeda, it's not years, I guess
<Scout> I mean, I can stay there 10 years, but I got to do things
<Scout> You can take 100 years or 10 years
<Scout> (I guess, otherwise it's ridiculous)
<SpyBot45> (O) New post by Xeda112358 in What am I doing wrong here? http://omniurl.tk/6746/124626
<SpyBot45> (O) New post by DJ_O in Electric Field Sim http://omniurl.tk/6723/124627
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> Over here it works that way
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> 7 years of elementary school including kindergarten (starting at 5 or 6 year old), 5 years of hi school, then you have the option to choose the following paths:
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> no further studies, but then you are limited in what job you can have
<Scout> 5 years of High School? i have 3 here :P
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> professional studies: a lower version of college that lasts between 1 and 1.5 year, is cheaper and is more oriented towards manual work
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> college technique: 3 years of college
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> university: 2 years of college followed by 3 years of university, 5 years of it or 8
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> I think it's also possible to merge both
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> so you save 1 year
<OmnomIRC> <Xeda112358> We have PreSchool, Kindergarten, grades 1~6 for elementary (8 years)
<SpyBot45> (O) New post by DJ_O in Post nDoom bug reports here. http://omniurl.tk/6735/124628
<OmnomIRC> <Xeda112358> then 6 years for middle school and high school
<OmnomIRC> <DJ_O> Idk if pre-school still exists here. IIRC it was opt
In my country, here's how it works:
- 6 or 7 years old - Primary School (lasts 4 years)
- Then is Basic School (lasts 5 years)
- Then is High School (lasts 3 years) (most are 17 by now)
- Then you have University which is 3 years of licensing in most degrees, but it depends on the degree and each person's choices
Note: Instead of taking High School, you can have 3 years that are called 'Professional Courses' aimed at people who want to work when they're 18 in a specific (usually manual) job.
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Hmm strange, hi school for you is split in 2 parts. After elementary/primary school we skip directly to hi school here. Then it's either professional school or college.
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In the US:
Pre-school (optional)
K-5: Elementary/primary school
6-8: Middle school
9-12: High school
Colleges/universities vary depending on what courses you're taking.
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A joke about my education system (which is one of the worst I know):
Opposition Party Leader: Mr Prime Minister, our country is so bad than girls who are trying to get a degree need to become prostitutes in order to pay University!
Prime Minister: You're mistaken, our country is so good, that even prostitutes can get degrees!
EDIT: No offense to prostitutes, sorry.
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in Germany
K-4: schule (is like elementary in U.S)
5-12: gymnasium
and then colleges depending on what course you take
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Here in Sweden, the first school that everyone starts in when they're seven is called Grundskola, or Base School. It lasts for nine years, and it's the only one that's mandatory. Afterwards, there's Gymnasium (no appropriate translation) and after that, Universitet (University). There might be some minor stuff after that too, I'm not really sure...
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Luxembourgish system is like:
two years Spillschool (play-school)
then starting at six years age six years of primary school
then you have to choose between lycée classique(7 years) or lycée technique a bit shorter or modulaire(thats the lowest "difficulty" )
then if you did classique or a "higher" technique you may go to university
Myself I do go to the European School which goes like this
précoss
from the age of six five years primary
then seven years secondary
the university if on wishes to go
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Funny. In the netherlands it is like this:
Kindergarten (from 3 to about 5 years) ~2years
Primary school (from 5-6 to 12-13) ~6years
High school (from 12-13 to 16-17 or 17-18) ~depens on the "tier" you take, there are three "levels"
->vmbo, lowest level, now a lot of people dont think you should call it the lowest because it is just practically orientated, not theoretically. At my school for example they teach cooking at this tier.
->havo (my level, i used to be one higher) this is the mediocre level it is mostly theorectical but a year shorter then the highest tier (once again, I am not going to be liked to say that one level is higher or lower then the other but basically it is accepted as being that way in society only nobody dares to say it because that would be considered rude)
->vwo highest 'normal' tier. Takes 6 years and is sheerly theoretical (no cooking!)
There is also something called a gymnasium which is like high school for super intelligent people. The kind of people that have extremely well trained memories and just an iq that goes trough the roof. This may be a bit of a prejudgement but most of the time thefy lack in social skills what they make up in intellectual skills.
Ok, so after high school you can go study at a uni. Most studies will take 3 or 4 years. A study in medicine (not meth or something but in healing medication) will take another 6 years. Fortunately we get studysupplements from our government. Basically everybody can study here. School is obligated, home teaching is prohibited. Currently you have to go to school till you are 18 now this is about to change to 24 in order to obligate studies as well.
I am kinda curious to how many LANGUAGES you all get to learn. We are obligated to the last three years from primary school up until the first 3 years of high school to learn:
French and german and english and dutch. Greek and latin are most of the time optional but not obligated nor included in the standard 'packagge'.
I've always kinda hated it how most of the other countries in europe just get away with their native language and english. But honestly, i would not know if that is still the case. I might very well be mistaken.
The thing is, when i go to germany i have to speak german. Most germans do not speak dutch at all. Maybe somewhere near the borders but....thats about it i guess. Maybe dutch just sounds to corny...
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yeah... that's annoying. In germany, it's German, English, and Greek/Latin. Having been in the U.S. for the past 9 years, I have become more adept at english than at german, have about 0 Greek/latin knowledge, but know a decent amount of French.
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a system like yours, matthias, in which there are several difficulty levels may result in some people feeling insulted, but altogether it would be much better for teaching than the system we have here in the us, where everyone is lumped together in one group. having only one difficulty level means that the entire class difficulty gets lowered so as to accommodate the people with the lowest skill level, meaning that more gifted students often lose focus, lack motivation, and end up performing worse than their fellows.
as for languages, that's one of my school's supposed "specialties," and we're still only required to learn Latin, a basic background in Greek, and our choice of German, Spanish, or French. everyone in the US is lazy in that regard because the rest of the world learns english.
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a system like yours, matthias, in which there are several difficulty levels may result in some people feeling insulted, but altogether it would be much better for teaching than the system we have here in the us, where everyone is lumped together in one group. having only one difficulty level means that the entire class difficulty gets lowered so as to accommodate the people with the lowest skill level, meaning that more gifted students often lose focus, lack motivation, and end up performing worse than their peers.
In elementary school, it's like that, but once you're in middle school, you have the option of taking more advanced classes, especially with math, and in high school, there is ap classes. However, I don't know what I'm going to do for math in my junior and senior years of high school. I'm in 8th grade now, and completeing precalc at the end of this school year. :P
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In Korea,
Grade 1-6 : Elementary School
Grade 7-9 : Middle School
Grade 10-12: High School
hehehe..3 yrs in High School...
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Well, technically here I'm in High School four years, but I'm in the middle school in 9th.
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yea...O_o
And their math levels are friggin high!!
(Trig at 6~7th grade)
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I wish I could do precalc next year. They are going to stick me in geometry or algebra 2 they haven't decide. It depends if they let me test out
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I am kinda curious to how many LANGUAGES you all get to learn. We are obligated to the last three years from primary school up until the first 3 years of high school to learn:
French and german and english and dutch. Greek and latin are most of the time optional but not obligated nor included in the standard 'packagge'.
I've always kinda hated it how most of the other countries in europe just get away with their native language and english. But honestly, i would not know if that is still the case. I might very well be mistaken.
The thing is, when i go to germany i have to speak german. Most germans do not speak dutch at all. Maybe somewhere near the borders but....thats about it i guess. Maybe dutch just sounds to corny...
I think for some countries it's because many European countries are much smaller than the American ones, so you have a much greater chance to meet people talking in another language than English or French. In Canada, the two official languages are English and French. In Quebec the main language is French and we are forced to start learning English in grade 4 of elementary school. In Canada I believe they only learn English, but I am not sure, maybe they start learning French later. In USA many people only know English, but in the south there are plenty of Spanish/English people as well.
I think it's good to know many languages.
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The US system does vary a little bit from region to region. For my schooling it is:
Preschool: about 3 years (optional)
Kindergarten: age 5, one year
Elementary school: grades 1 -6
Middle school: grades 7-8
High school: grades 9-12, graduate age 18
College/university: 4 years optional
We also have levels used in high school for our classes.
honors is a more advanced version of that course
AP is an extremely advanced version of that course
IB is similar to AP
For me, I started going to a private Catholic school when I entered high school. The experience is quite different from public school, but you get a great education. These will be my courses for next year:
US history AP with Model UN
Physics 1 IB
Pre-calculus Honors
French 3 Honors
English 3
Religion 3
AP computer science
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In USA and Belgium I think it's also possible to take multiple school years into one so you finish earlier, right? You end up busy as hell, though. X.x
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Also preschool seems to be optional in most countries.
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My school has me learning latin and wants me to take spanish in high school. They won't let latin count for a foreign language since it is dead...
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Also preschool seems to be optional in most countries.
Yeah here it was optional. I wonder if it even exists anymore. Also we cannot retake the same year twice anymore. beforehand, if you failed, you had to restart the entire year from scratch in elem/hi school, but then they changed this. I think you have to re-take the classes you failed during the next year. beforehand, this only happened past the 2nd year of hi school.
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As long as Im not in high school I don't have to retake classes I fail. I just have to go to summer school
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Summer school must suck when you want to save money for college, though. Many people use Summer to work full time. X.x
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Here we don't have it, we have AM Classes.
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AM? Do you mean morning classes?
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Yeah, but some are for making up failed classes, similar to summer school.
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I see. When do they occur, though? Because don't you already have classes during morning during school time?
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I thought it would also be a good idea to post your school hours. For me on a regular day school starts at 7:40 and goes to 2:27. We have 6 classes each 57 minutes. I don't get home till 5:00 because of sports though.
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When I went to elementary school, it was from 8:30 AM to 3:15 PM. 4 classes, but I forgot how long they were. I think it was 60 minutes, 15 min break, 60 mins, dinner break from 11:15 AM to 12:45 ish PM (most students went back home to eat, but you had to pay extra fees for the bus), then another 60 mins class, 15 mins break and a final 60 mins class. We could do french for an entire day long sometimes and it was boring, especially past participles. X.x
In hi school for the first 2 years it was from 9 AM to 4 PM. Each class lasted 75 mins with 15 minute breaks between them and the dinner break filling the middle. For the last 3 years it was from 9:05 AM to 4:10 PM, IIRC
I should post my final year schedule at some point. I still have it, I think.
As for college it was from 8 AM to 6 PM. Each class lasted 50 minutes with 10 minute breaks between them. Normally you had at least an hour of dinner every day, but you could have between 1 and 9 hour of classes per day. Sometimes you had 2 hours during morning then 2 more during late Afternoon. It sucked because you couldn,t get a decent job. X.x
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In middle school hear it is 8:45-4:05 with 48 minute classes
except for fourth period which has over an hour class.