Omnimaga
General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on March 27, 2010, 11:27:45 pm
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Just so you know, today I visited #omnimaga for the last time.
The reason for my departure from the channel is that it is turning into a troll-fest since the last few days. We cannot have a serious discussion anymore without some people messing around with us and it is 10x worse when it comes to computer discussion, where it always turn into a Windows bashing discussion and in some cases, even someone I will not name indirectly insulting people who have trouble using Linux (such as those getting viruses). Tonight was the final straw. I was upset that we may lose ztrumpet because his parents think we're the cause of the virus on their computer (which is not true, else I would have got warned about it by many people), but some people did not give a shit and simply decided to start another linux vs windows debate. It was NOT the moment for such debate. Maybe you could have waited later? Or maybe just have let it go, since it was exactly the same thing discussed as earlier today? Then after banning, someone else continued messing with us (or maybe me?).
Well, seeing how things are going now there, even though people know we do not like argument starters, I am staying in the channel until midnight of my time, then I am done with it.
Goodbye to the members who just frequent IRC and not the forums. Unless I show up again in #omnimaga at one point?
And yeah I guess this means #ti too...
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This is a very sad post. Goodbye DJ Omnimaga, I hope to see your continued use of the forums.
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;.;
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/me hugs kevin
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:'(
/me joins the hug
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:'( :'( :'(
/me joins too, in a sadly mood
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* Hot_Dog hugs too, and invites Kevin to #seekanddestroy if he ever has questions or needs a decent chat, not trolled, chat
Guys, this is serious by the way. Here's what ztrumpet said:
I don't think I'll be able to get on Omnimaga until tomorrow, so could you tell DJ? My computer got hit with a virus, so until I can show my Dad that there are no viruses on Omnimaga I will not be able to get on. =\
On Friday I'm leaving on a vacation, so I'll have another week that I'm not on computers. =\
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*Meishe somehow grows arms long enough to fit around everyone and joins the hug* I'm sorry to hear all that :(
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Nah, I would prefer to avoid chats for a while, at least public ones. Maybe I'll eventually change my mind and return to #omnimaga later, but I'll sometimes check logs to see if there are improvements (this includes excessive spam), but for now I think I need a break from IRC. That includes that chatbox on Cemetech site, too, not that I really used it much, though. Too many stuff happened lately (altough a lot of it is not online)
Unfortunately, though, due to stuff I will not talk about in public, if this leaving of #omnimaga is not permanent, a few people are alerady aware of the following: My first upcoming temporary leaves from #omnimaga will not be the last and will also include more sparse visits in #ti and the permanent leave of other places (as it started happening alerady with others) :/. Some people probably noticed I am also on Skype, AIM, MSN and Yahoo less and less often since the past few months.
I'll still frequent the forums and post regulary for a long while, though (hopefully).
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I do hope your absence isn't permanent, It would be really sad if it was. I hope everything works out for you and that things go good, and that someday you will return to teh IRC's.
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I just noticed Hot Dog edit: are you sure Ztrumpet will even be allowed again today, though? (meaning, to browse Omni at all). My worry is if his parents are very narrow-minded about technology and despite their kids knowing a lot about it, will not get in their head that Internet Explorer just plain sucks when it comes to virus protection and that to get viruses they have to really not be careful, such as downloading torrents and browsing warez/porn sites or not being careful to scams.
Omnimaga is just another calculator site like United-TI and TIBD, we monitor files for their content and if I got infected elsewhere, I would quit uploading anything to Omnimaga altogether until I cleaned my PC.
That said, Omni or not, I seriously hope Ztrumpet did not lose his entire calc projects... I hope he back them up to his comp asap once repaired if he didn't.
I'M still worried, though, since the way his parents seemed to talk, I may not be able to talk to Ztrumpet again until he moves out of home and he's one close online friend
EDIT: btw I do know myself how narrow-minded people who are not into computers or dislike them can be about technology. Thanks partly to the medias, first, and secondly, companies like Micro$oft brainwashing schools, other companies, computer illiterate people and medias about how their products are better:
-My mother was so paranoid before about online shopping that despite my adult age and owning a credit card, she did not want me to buy anything on Ebay and Amazon, even if I kept telling her these sites were safe and legit if you be careful. I also kept explaining her the https thing with no luck. When was I allowed to buy online? As soon as I moved to an appartment.
-After getting a computer for the first time in 2004, it took almost one year until she lets me install Internet on it, even if I wanted to pay the entire internet bill myself at first. She said it was too dangerous.
-She did not like chats, despite how safe they can be if you be careful, so when she came next to my bedroom door, I usually minimized mIRC/Trillian. She wouldn't notice, then.
-Because I was online too often, she cancelled my internet in Jan 2007, leaving me with no internet in February 2007. I was not allowed to get internet again until I move out. She should just have taken the computer away altogether, since no internet did not stop me from playing Starcraft and emulator games all day long.
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Bah, my parents use AOL Desktop :( 'Nuff said.
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That is a sad post...
And I fear that now that you don't frequent other calc forums, #omnimaga and other IRC calc channels, it is going to encourage bad persons to bash Omnimaga forums until you quit on Omnimaga Forums, too.
Or if a serious misunderstood happens in Omnimaga forums to you will lead to the same situation.
Seriously, your systematic retreat in the TI community can only encourage them or make them feel with more reason. I am really worried. :(
You should stand in #omnimaga because:
1st: discussions do happen but you do not have to run after every nasty discussion
2nd: if it was done intentionally to make you leave the IRC, you should counter exactly by not quitting
3rd: #omnimaga is not #omnimaga without DJ Omnimaga
Remember that almost everyone in live will have to ignore or forget certain situations to better benefit. "You have to swallow the frog sometimes" that is what people say in my country. (translated to your convenience)
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Well, when I reopened Omni I did not even frequent any other forum alerady. Back in late 2006 I only really frequented UTI and Omni, altough I lurked on others. In 2008 I barely even bothered checking new posts anywhere else. Later I started visiting once a week, to finally visit most forums everyday after #ti came up, so I doubt it will cause any problem, unless some newer #omnimaga users really have bad intentions.
Unfortunately, though, in 20 years I was unable to do much progress in ignoring bad people/comments, so the best way to avoid them for me is to avoid these people. Since #omnimaga is my own channel, though, I decided this leaving will just be a break to clear my mind. However, since the three people concerned were warned, they now have an idea of what will happen if they do it again. In this case I would not need to leave because they would be banned.
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well i guess that is god to hear
/me cant wait for a dj_omni to return as like point 3 by galandros #omnimaga isnt #rickmaga with out dj_omni ....er i mean #omnimaga
any way take your time a break is a good thing it does help one clear there head :) :)
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Sorry to hear. It's unfortunate, but hopefully it will bring down stress levels to a more manageable level. I wish the best.
Your participation in this community definitely hasn't been wasted, I don't think, despite the problems that occurred. I see lots of people here who have benefited from this place and its philosophies, and even the problems can teach valuable lessons (though maybe not always right away).
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I just noticed Hot Dog edit: are you sure Ztrumpet will even be allowed again today, though? (meaning, to browse Omni at all). My worry is if his parents are very narrow-minded about technology and despite their kids knowing a lot about it, will not get in their head that Internet Explorer just plain sucks when it comes to virus protection and that to get viruses they have to really not be careful, such as downloading torrents and browsing warez/porn sites or not being careful to scams.
Omnimaga is just another calculator site like United-TI and TIBD, we monitor files for their content and if I got infected elsewhere, I would quit uploading anything to Omnimaga altogether until I cleaned my PC.
That said, Omni or not, I seriously hope Ztrumpet did not lose his entire calc projects... I hope he back them up to his comp asap once repaired if he didn't.
I'M still worried, though, since the way his parents seemed to talk, I may not be able to talk to Ztrumpet again until he moves out of home and he's one close online friend
It's okay, as they are pretty understanding, just not completely. They actually think any site that I go to is where viruses come from, so me getting on Omnimaga is no different than UTI or TIBD. :) He just thinks that: Calculator programmers may know how to create computer viruses and would put them on calc forums to laugh at people. =\ That's their logic... I don't believe it though. :)
I'm back on now. Our computer is working again, and I'm allowed to check more than email. :)
My calc it backed up on my flash drive mostly, so I should probably back it up... ;D I also have all my project progress on my calcs, be it in group or program form. :)
Thanks for relaying the message Hot Dog! :D
Thanks DJ. You're someone I respect immensely and consider a friend (well, online friend) too, so that means a lot! ;D
I agree with your decision to avoid #omnimaga, but I await your return. I really look forward to when you're on again! ;D
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Nah calc coders will create viruses for the calc, not PC :D, welll, they don't actually, since it's pointless, but BrandonW/Iambian knows how :P
And thanks, welcome back ^^
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welcome back, ztrumpet!
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yay your back Ztrumpet! DJ is right, you are a great contribution to the community, and a great friend :)
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looks like i missed a lot today :O
welcome back ztrumpet, and i hope it all works out well in the end for you DJ :o
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me too x.x, and thanks a lot, it means a lot to me
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I would like to sincerely apologize for any antics I may have committed that added to the cumulative stress you endure on a daily basis and exacerbated the situation at hand. I hope things get better for you and that you decide to return to the #omnimaga EFNet channel some day soon.
I somewhat agree with Galandros, however. There will always be people in this inter-forum community who will, for some inane reason, disdain you and desire your permanent leave. Your systematic withdrawal from the TI community really is a reinforcement of their malevolent behaviors. If these people know that by continuing their actions they will get their way, they won't stop. They will keep exacerbating the situation themselves until you feel you have no choice but to withdraw entirely and they will have "won".
However, I am not saying that you should just "deal with it" and stay regardless the situation or your feelings. Sometimes a sabbatical is exactly "what the doctor ordered" in order to stay strong.
Come back and rickroll us all soon, alright? ;)
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yeah well, the next time, if I return and certain of the same people do the same thing again (that made me leave) I'll have an indication that these people in particular comes to #omnimaga for the sole purpose of pissing me off. If that's the case, they will be removed from the channel, since they're not the kind of user we welcome in our channel. The same applies to forums anyway. If someone in particular does absolutely no effort to not be rude or if someone purposely snaps on people/annoy them to piss them off/scare them away, they will be removed as well.
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It looks like I may never be ready to come back again on a permanent basis. A few people (8, I think, one of which is gone) have been aware that this and the hosting space owner change were coming since January began, altough some only knew in February, but it looks like the inevitable has finally be come. From now on it may simply be a bunch of visits every few days or occasional ones with some chatting through OmnomIRC. I feared this would eventually happen but I did not know when. Eventually my visits on IRC will also get more sparse and I may eventually never show up in #ti again, then eventually it will be #omnimaga turn (and minimizing the chatbox on my PC). I alerady have visited MSN/yahoo messender/skype less and less often since the past few months and have been gone from any other IRC channel since about the beginning of February. After I am completly gone from #omnimaga/OmnomIRC, Omnimaga as a whole will be next, but I don't see this happening in the next half a year. A few people have been left indications so far, but only 8 are really aware of the details. One other person is aware of something like this too but not with much details either.
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DJ, I'm sorry.
Please realize that I truly didn't understand what you were saying in that conversation. I meant no ill harm to you, and I wish you would stay on irc.
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:( im am very sorry to hear this :(
/me hugs a kevin
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as said in my post I'll pbly still show up in the chan, just not idle there regulary. Normally I used to stay on 24/7. Eventually I may join once per 3 days then a week then idk.
Also I am sorry if earlier I was rude or something, I just don,t have as much patience anymore. Has my english deteriorated that much to cause most people to no longer understand me? I may also not take requests anymore and switch MSN address to one with only some Omnimaga people on it, so it's less of a burden for me. Now, when I login, 4 windows open within the first second.
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no no you arent i understood you and i knew you meant you were not leaving but its still somthing sad to here that we as a communuty cant always seem to work things out and in turn a few durastic measures may be taken weather its for good or not :(
but im my opinion your english is getting better (seen larger more complex sentances and less grammer errors lately ^_^ )
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One thing to consider, though, is that I am partly cause of the problem when misunderstoods occurs. So if I get angry at someone, it may not necessarly be all his fault, simply because I take stuff the bad way easier and had an hard time solving this. My main worry is if someone eventually lose patience because of me and I get haters because of it, this is not good for the entire community because then it ends up into inter community disputes or rivalries. And I would prefer this to not happen. As soon as I am gonna start harming Omnimaga with my personal issues this is when I will be leaving. However, I don't see this happening soon, altough I took early precautions in case. For example, rcfreak0 is alerady charge of hosting now, but I still send him the money to pay the bill as long as I am around.
Knowing the 2008-09 userbase we got I think Omnimaga would have bigger chances to live without me than the old board did, since it seems now people are more fans of Omnimaga as a whole rather than just fans of myself. No offense to the old board community, but it really seemed like many members and staff didn't care much about the site. I think there were even a bunch of staff that didn't like each others and a lot of members and staff seemed to side with haters and advocate some of their behavior. During Summer 2009, I realised this new board community seemed to be different in overall on that point. Maybe this is also why so many members have been around for over a year and that we get this much activity, now?
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Well hopefully the day you leave omnimaga is not for a long time, we will miss you.
Yeah it seems that the community as a whole on omnimaga believes more or less what the core beliefs of of the community has been put on the front page, a hate free enviroment.
(gah...this Refreshing omnomIRC is getting annoying on my iPod...keeps on intterupting my typing :( )
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Yeah, on slower platforms it might be hectic x.x. it reminds me TI_Sax but refreshing much faster. I wish it did refresh slower, like every 5 seconds.
As for the community, I think one issue is that back then people didn't believe hostility could kill the community slowly, even if in the past it killed forums even on non calc sites. After seeing the activity drop in 2008 after Omni died, then Omni end up with highest activity in 2009 (even more than Cemetech or UTI) even if the site was down for half a year before and people posting less and less on UTI and Cemetech after Omni returned, they probably finally understood. There are still people who deny that hostility can kill forums, though, but usually, those who do are people who advocates such hostility and bad behaviour.
There will always be people who like us less because of our stricter rules (they believe in no free speech restriction) but now I think we can finally see that there are people who believe in free speech, but not at the expense of the community.