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Title: Marathon
Post by: Quigibo on June 07, 2011, 08:28:10 pm
So I've decided to run a marathon!  This will be my first marathon ever and I've never ran more than 3 miles without stopping before so I'm going to be doing a lot of training for these 26 miles (42km).   Its going to be the San Fransisco Marathon on July 31 so I have just a little under 2 months to train which is shorter than recommended, but I'm confident I can do it.  Its a pretty cool course too, it goes across the Golden Gate Bridge at one point.

Has anyone here ran a marathon before?  Any tips for training and such?  :D
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 07, 2011, 08:40:10 pm
Unfortunately i never ran one alone so I am unsure about the tricks, but at school some years we had to do jogging during 25 minutes without stopping and it was  quite hectic during the last few minutes, especially in my case due to a physical malformation reducing the space for my lungs x.x.

An idea would be to code something on the calc while jogging maybe :P
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: Quigibo on June 07, 2011, 08:45:09 pm
Actually, I'm almost done writing an Android app for pacing myself that I started yesterday.  It uses the GPS and shows all sorts of different statistics.  :)
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 07, 2011, 08:48:58 pm
You made it while jogging? :P
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: JustCause on June 08, 2011, 02:50:14 pm
2 months? You've got quite the pair.

Here's how I train:
1) Create an epic running playlist. Eye Of The Tiger should be on this.
2) Run as far as you are physically capable of running.
3) Start at half that, and every day increase the distance a little.
4) Don't eat crap. If you must carry cash, carry 5s so you can't use vending machines.

I run a 5:50 mile, so this seems to work for me. :P YMMV.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: Quigibo on June 08, 2011, 11:35:06 pm
I run a 5:50 mile, so this seems to work for me. :P YMMV.

5:50 pace for a marathon!!!  :o  That's really fast, I'm shooting for about an 8:00 mile pace because I think that will be more comfortable/realistic since this is my first marathon.

By the way, I just ran 4 miles today (the most I've ever run without stopping) and I didn't feel that tired.  My first long run will be on Friday on a 7 mile course.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: JustCause on June 09, 2011, 02:06:15 pm
NO. 5:50 miles in a marathon would legitimately kill me. And you. That's my standalone time.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: Juju on June 09, 2011, 09:20:58 pm
Unfortunately i never ran one alone so I am unsure about the tricks, but at school some years we had to do jogging during 25 minutes without stopping and it was  quite hectic during the last few minutes, especially in my case due to a physical malformation reducing the space for my lungs x.x.

An idea would be to code something on the calc while jogging maybe :P
Did that as well, but for nearly an hour... Something like half a marathon.

Also bring your calc and develop Axe Parser 1.0.0 while running :P
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: z80man on June 29, 2011, 06:52:59 pm
Just to mention as a long distance runner myself an 8:00 pace marathon will be brutal to accomplish in the little time you have to train. That is about a 3:30 time for the entire marathon. For example my best three mile race time is 17:49 which is about a 5:56 mile pace. Normally I would add somewhere between 1-2 minutes to that mile pace to find the pace for a marathon. With the 1-2 minutes varying based off the experience of the runner. It is hard to judge the projected mile pace of a marathon runner based off their fastest mile time due to the huge difference in pace but normally that is about a 2-3 minute difference. For me my best mile time is 4:59 so adding about 2 minutes gets a 7 minute pace for me or a 3 hour marathon. For most marathon runners you will want to get at least 50 miles of running a week until the last 2 weeks when you should start to scale down. Also when you peak in mileage you should have done a 12-13 mile non-stop run a few times.

When it comes to equipment the most important thing you need are your running shoes. I recommend going to a dedicated running store and let the staff help you find the perfect shoe. There is no ultimate running that works for everyone and you need to find what is right for you based of your step experience, and foot shape. Also everyone needs a reliable watch to keep track of their pace. During a marathon the miles are marked so with a little quick math in your head you can find your pace. Otherwise for clothing you will want nylon shorts and shirts as cotton ones get hot and can leave a rash on longer runs. Equipment wise that is about it and don't bother with all that fancy gear that yo really don't need such as $50 dollar socks that are made from space shuttle material. Lastly stay away from orthotics as they don't do anything good.

For food make sure you eat healthy. Stay away from junk food and soda, but make sure you get plenty of calories as you will need them. I'm usually on a 3000-4000 Calorie diet to get the energy needed for long distance running. I also tend to stay away from energy bars and stuff as they first off taste bad and are no better than glorified candy bars. And for most people don't eat a meal within 2-3 hours of a run or otherwise you will get terrible cramps. Another good thing to include with food is plenty of water to drink. Runners should drink about 2 gallons a day which at first sounds hard, but as long as you have a glass about once an hour you will reach that. Also limit your consumption of sugary drinks like gatorade as they are not good in large quantities. I do recommend drinking gatorade after a long run though because of it's sodium content will make you thirstier and it easier to drink more water. The same thing applies with salty foods. Another drink I also have after hard or long runs is chocolate milk. I'm not sure why, but helps rebuild muscle.

Good luck with the race and make sure you get plenty of rest the night before. Make sure you warm-up and stretch before every run and cool-down and stretch afterwards. Lastly make sure you post your time after the race.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: shmibs on June 29, 2011, 10:52:37 pm
i was on a soccer team up until last year, when i quit (or rather didn't return next season) because the coach enforced a ridiculous running policy. he would have everyone run a mile, and if anyone came in at over 5:00 we'd all have to run it again later during the practice. we'd typically end up having to run 4-5 5 minute miles during our three hour long practice(five days a week plus impromptu meet-ups on saturdays every now and then), interspersed amongst the constant start-and-stop running of scrimmages and practice crossing/passing.
z80 man is right about fluids. it's nearly impossible to keep enough water in your system (particularly when you're playing in a city that has temperatures of 120 farenheit during the summer :p).
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: mrmprog on June 29, 2011, 10:56:04 pm
Imagine running at the speed of AXE compared to Basic.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: Quigibo on June 29, 2011, 11:48:48 pm
@z80man
Actually, this morning I ran the furthest distance so far in my training: 18 miles!  And I did it in 2 hours and 22 minutes so I've actually kept a 7:53 pace even with that distance which means my once unrealistic goal seems more realistic now.  My next and longest run before the actual marathon will be a 22 mile run after which I will gradually lower the distance until the marathon.  Also my brother works at a running shoe store so he already hooked me up with some really nice shoes, cushion insoles, synthetic material socks, and energy gels.  I also bought a really tiny mp3 player that I wear on my shoulder and it really helps me stay focused as I run and I use it to gauge my time as well since I setup the playlist in a particular order prior to running.  Luckily, the SF marathon starts at 5:30 in the morning so it probably won't be very hot and I won't have to worry about the heat like I did when I was training in L.A.

@mrmprog
You'd basically be on a motorcycle then ;)
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: fb39ca4 on June 30, 2011, 12:48:14 am
Good luck!
The most I've ever run is 5 miles (8 km). I still can't fathom how people can run 26.2 miles in a row. But I'm only 14, so I imagine stuff like that will seem easier in the future.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: mrmprog on June 30, 2011, 01:32:59 pm
@mrmprog
You'd basically be on a motorcycle then ;)
Lol, more like a jet.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: Quigibo on August 01, 2011, 08:42:50 pm
So I finished the marathon yesterday, it was really intense!  Now I see why they call it one of the hardest marathons, there were so many hills, it felt like it was up hill the whole way!  But anyway, I was doing great until the last mile (mile 25) when my legs couldn't hold up my body and I fell.  The volunteers there had me sit down on the side and told me I should rest and I shouldn't run, but I really wanted to.  Every time I said I was ready to run they kept insisting I wasn't ready, at one point, one of them was calling an ambulance.  At that point I was like, no, I'm running, I'll walk if I have to.  So I started walking and one of them was following me.  As soon as he looked away though, I started running to the finish until I finally made it.

So anyway, having sat down for 15 minutes kinda ruined my goal time, but its still a decent time for a first marathon.  I ended up with 3:52, but by my 20 mile split, I was on pace to finish in 3:37.  It was probably due to not getting enough sleep the night before, it was really difficult to go to bed when I wasn't tiered.  It was only a 9 hour day before I got in bed at 6pm to get up at 3am for the marathon.  I maybe only got 2 hours of actual REM sleep, the rest was just lying there trying to fall asleep.

The best part was going across the Golden Gate Bridge, it seems so much taller when you're actually on it.  Also the architecture in San Fransisco was really neat at some parts, but by then I hardly had enough energy to really appreciate it.

Anyway, I'm alright now.  My legs are still sore, but no more than from my training.  I'm just glad I finished :)  I was hoping this would be my last marathon, but now I kinda feel like I should try again at some point.  I already promised my brother that if he runs one, I'll run it too.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: ZippyDee on August 01, 2011, 08:45:01 pm
Congratulations, Quigibo! That's awesome! I wish I had the stamina to run a marathon, but I definitely don't. Props to you!
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: zeldaking on August 01, 2011, 10:23:22 pm
Sounds like it was a fun learning experience, marathons can be difficult if you don't know what to expect.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: coolrudski on August 01, 2011, 10:30:13 pm
if you ever do a marathon again, what you eat before hand is really important. its different person to person but when you have a big race its amazing what eating the right foods for you can do. if you dont have enough of the right nutrients and energy for the muscles when you do hit the miles at the end its hard
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: zeldaking on August 01, 2011, 10:34:57 pm
Especially if you have certain dietary needs.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 01, 2011, 10:36:59 pm
Congrats Quigibo!
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: coolrudski on August 01, 2011, 10:37:38 pm
but usually once i get past the wall im fine. after the wall long distances arent bad. its mostly mind games for me. i kinda have to trick myself like just to that mailbox then after just to that house.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: zeldaking on August 01, 2011, 10:38:54 pm
I have to do that to check the mail. JK.
Title: Re: Marathon
Post by: TIfanx1999 on August 03, 2011, 09:18:28 am
Quigibo that's really awesome! That's quite a feat you've accomplished, and in a fairly short time as well. I lol'ed when you said you ran off when one of the volunteers wasn't looking. ;D I'd love to do a marathon someday. I'll really have to look into it, very inspiring.