Well... my issue is if you bash people for having a different point of view than you or for believing in something you don't, or if you post in a topic about religion without being careful about offending people. This is where I and some people can have a problem. Example, your last post that did that had a -5 rating and the entire admins of Omnimaga opened a discussion about the possibility of a staff demotion due to past warnings.That post specifically was some of my inspiration for writing this one. I just want to clear the air and get my full opinion out, instead of bits and pieces. I never aim to offend, I just speak my mind (which is a curse sometimes).
I do much the same thing and many people I know think I'm a completely evil person for it.Well... my issue is if you bash people for having a different point of view than you or for believing in something you don't, or if you post in a topic about religion without being careful about offending people. This is where I and some people can have a problem. Example, your last post that did that had a -5 rating and the entire admins of Omnimaga opened a discussion about the possibility of a staff demotion due to past warnings.That post specifically was some of my inspiration for writing this one. I just want to clear the air and get my full opinion out, instead of bits and pieces. I never aim to offend, I just speak my mind (which is a curse sometimes).
I just want to clear the air and get my full opinion out, instead of bits and pieces. I never aim to offend, I just speak my mind (which is a curse sometimes).Speaking your opinion is one thing, degrading others' opinions is another.
Also, your comparing of a foundation for peoples' lives to a spaghetti monster is out of line. You can't honestly claim that you tolerate something you're degrading and belittling.Can you think of another comparison that makes the same kind of sense? To me, all forms of religion have the same level of truth.
I suggest that you keep your religious views and offense to yourself. If you must degrade others' ways of life, try to do it in a way that's not claiming that they are believing in a flying spaghetti monster.I never claimed that anyone believes in a flying spaghetti monster. In fact, I said the exact opposite.
Personally, I am athiest too, but I believe that comments like this don't do anything beneficial. You'll just piss people off and alienate yourself.When I have my opinions degraded and shot down constantly, I won't just take it lying down.
This is just proof that it is never a good idea to get into a discussion on religion except with people who believe extremely close to you and even then you keep it to just that subject. Discussing religions you don't believe in just causes problems
When I have my opinions degraded and shot down constantly, I won't just take it lying down.
If you are easily offended, please stop reading.I mean it. You read at your own risk.
Your opinions are only shot down because of how you present them. Stating your opinion isn't bad. It can create conflict, yes, any opinion can, but when you present it rudely and offensively, you're going to get poor reception, and people are going to shoot them down.
Your opinions are only shot down because of how you present them. Stating your opinion isn't bad. It can create conflict, yes, any opinion can, but when you present it rudely and offensively, you're going to get poor reception, and people are going to shoot them down.Understand that to me, they are the same thing. They both have about the same level of truth in my opinion. Why is a flying spaghetti monster any more or less likely than an invisible man in the sky? How would you suggest I make my point without a comparison. I feel like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only comparison that really can get a theist to see my point of view.
A comparison is not necessary, people will understand what you mean when you say that you don't believe in religion. What you're doing is the same thing as a religious person trying to convert you.
Also, you didn't claim people believe in a spaghetti monster, but you said that Christianity is the same thing and that believing in that is just as bad. That is what I meant.
Its not that they are easily offended its that this is a subject that will almost inevitably offend people. And it is especially true for how you presented it.First of all, due to my extreme warnings about the possibility of being offended by my post, I don't take any responsibility for people being offended. To say this as nice as possible, you were warned, and ignored the warning.
EDIT:Your opinions are only shot down because of how you present them. Stating your opinion isn't bad. It can create conflict, yes, any opinion can, but when you present it rudely and offensively, you're going to get poor reception, and people are going to shoot them down.
even if you present these ideas nicely they will still get down because most people have deeply rooted beliefs and they are almost impossible to convince otherwise. many people respond very angrily at any attempt to unroot their ideas.
Understand that to me, they are the same thing. They both have about the same level of truth in my opinion. Why is a flying spaghetti monster any more or less likely than an invisible man in the sky? How would you suggest I make my point without a comparison. I feel like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only comparison that really can get a theist to see my point of view.
even if you present these ideas nicely they will still get down because most people have deeply rooted beliefs and they are almost impossible to convince otherwise. many people respond very angrily at any attempt to unroot their ideas.
First of all, due to my extreme warnings about the possibility of being offended by my post, I don't take any responsibility for people being offended. To say this as nice as possible, you were warned, and ignored the warning.
As for a nice presentation, ruler is right that no presentation is a nice presentation in the eyes of theists.
I would bet against them ever coming to your side which is one reason I keep trying to make a point that discussions like this(well on religion between people who believe different things) are pointless. the roots are very deeply planted in 90% of people you'd talk to and nothing will ever change that.Your opinions are only shot down because of how you present them. Stating your opinion isn't bad. It can create conflict, yes, any opinion can, but when you present it rudely and offensively, you're going to get poor reception, and people are going to shoot them down.Understand that to me, they are the same thing. They both have about the same level of truth in my opinion. Why is a flying spaghetti monster any more or less likely than an invisible man in the sky? How would you suggest I make my point without a comparison. I feel like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only comparison that really can get a theist to see my point of view.
A comparison is not necessary, people will understand what you mean when you say that you don't believe in religion. What you're doing is the same thing as a religious person trying to convert you.
Also, you didn't claim people believe in a spaghetti monster, but you said that Christianity is the same thing and that believing in that is just as bad. That is what I meant.
Your religion offends me. I don't know how to say it nicely. I just want to come out and say it. So please stop getting all defensive towards me when I make a small comment about religion. It's all I can do to not post an essay about how wrong you are, your delusional state of mind, etc. Take it as a blessing that I don't go completely ape shit and post about how much your religion sucks. I've never targeted an individual's beliefs (even though some people see it as a personal hit).
Understand that to me, they are the same thing. They both have about the same level of truth in my opinion. Why is a flying spaghetti monster any more or less likely than an invisible man in the sky? How would you suggest I make my point without a comparison. I feel like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only comparison that really can get a theist to see my point of view.
Offensive statement:
I'ma let you in on a secret, no one cares about your opinion, just like you don't care about anyone else's on the topic.
I don't have to respect your religion - in fact, I don't. But I do tolerate it, and please accept that as enough.In fact, you do have to respect your religion if you expect others to respect your own religion. It's as simple as this: if you give people your respect, they should respect you. Until you learn to abide by that, others will not respect you as much as they would if we looked at you by your coding-skill alone. Please, Drew learn from this. If you accept, tolerate, and respect others' views, beliefs, and morals, they will do the same to you.