Omnimaga
General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: annoyingcalc on May 25, 2011, 08:17:47 pm
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http://ticalculator.webs.com/ I made this site :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: visit it, it is for calculators Duh ::)
EDIT: almost 2.5 years later I see how nooby I used to be x.x
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I'm not a big fan of this idea.
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Ok but still It is up
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this might cause some problems.
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I don't think it is right for you to take the name of this site and make another site with the same name AND purpose, it may cause you legal problems and I advise you change the name.
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Why
EDIT Ashbad Ok Ill change it to calculator.webs.com
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It's inappropriate to rip off our site here. Creating your own, completely new website is fine, but making a "new Omnimaga" is just wrong.
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Why do we need to split Omnimaga in two sites? ??? Even a totally new name/forum wouldn,t be very welcome in the community, since we try to avoid splitting it too much.
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Look I edited it
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If you leave it named omnimaga i know it will just cause problems. calculator.webs doesn't sound too bad
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Wait how do I change it
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I have no idea how to change it. This is just an all around bad idea.
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you will probably have to make another site and just delete the one you just made
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That's not blatant copyright infringement at all!
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Ok Ill do that
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I never used Webs so I don't know. There won't be legal issues for using Omni since the site is not copyrighted, but it might give you a bad image among the community. Also if you start your own calc site, make sure it doesn't have a forum/irc channel, because I doubt it will work well. You could maybe write a home page where you have all your calc games and tools published in one place, maybe.
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That's not blatant copyright infringement at all!
Do we have a copyright on omnimaga? It is stealing of a name and it is definitely not a good idea, but Im not sure if copyright infringement would hold since we'd need an international copyright(I think)
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No, it isn't technically copyright infringement, it's just bad taste.
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http://ticalculator.webs.com
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http://ticalculator.webs.com
Better. I still don't like it for the mere reason that it was started with the idea of replacing Omnimaga in mind.
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I have to agree with sir here. This is an all around bad idea. If you wan tto change things about omni suggest it and if people like it i can happen. Creating your whole new version is very problematic
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It's not a good idea to copy omnimaga since a lot of work has been done to add new features using mods for the smf based website. Having a version of omnimaga created straight off a webs template is like trying to 'cheapify' omnimaga.org complex design and webpages.
Webs? Webs has been getting more and more restricted ever since they started having a new premium plan and design. There was a 20 page limit. Now when i discovered when i deleted a page off my website: http://jhgenius01.webs.com and tried to add one, it said there was a 8 page limit!!! how are u meant to create a website with 8 pages? I am planning to move my website off webs and just create it purely off dreamweaver or a phpbb/smf theme like omnimaga.org is. Webs severly restricts the limit you can go to make your website professional and even more than ever now.
It would be great if there was some copyright on the name omnimaga
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copyrights cost money
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well of course i guess. still we can sue people who copy our name somehow.
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We wouldn't have a very strong case. We are in no way money making so we can' say it infringes on our business. We might get something but it wouldn't be worth the attorney costs. It might make them take down their site though whccihc would be a very good effect
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Um I deleted the old one ticalculator.webs.com is the website
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please become member!!! . .
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please become member!!! . .
Please edit rather than double-posting, thanks!
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Good luck with your site. I do not think it is a good idea, but if you want to do it you have every right to succeed wonderfully at it
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Good luck with your site. I do not think it is a good idea, but if you want to do it you have every right to succeed wonderfully at it
You may want to make it different than Omnimaga, like focus on a certain type of program or project.
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No offense annoyingorange, but there's already Omnimaga, Cemetech, TI-BASIC Dev, MaxCoderz, Revsoft, TI-calc, and United-TI. Is there really a need for yet another board when there aren't even enough members to fill the forums currently around?
EDIT: For the people talking about Copyright Omnimaga *has* copyright over the name "Omnimaga" and "Coders of Tomorrow," if we were to pursue it. It's just not worth pursuing, since as a site with no income, we really don't even qualify for a civil case.
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we have copyrights? when'd we get those.
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I believe that simply because we created the name first we have some sort of legal standing?
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^ I don't think that's how it works.
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we have copyrights? when'd we get those.
[...]if we were to pursue it. It's just not worth pursuing, since as a site with no income, we really don't even qualify for a civil case.
And yeah, another calc-related forum, to add to the half-dozen-and-then-some forums is kind of unnecessary IMHO :P
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Well, if you can prove you had the name since 2001 well you're in business.
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I believe that simply because we created the name first we have some sort of legal standing?
If it gives us any standing it would be very weak. No official standing
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we have copyrights? when'd we get those.
There's an implied copyright on everything you make. Basically, if you ever put the word Copyright or the copyright symbol anywhere on your work, you have a claim to go to court :D
Whether or not you're eligible for monetary settlement depends on if you actually make an income on the work, and whether that copyright's registered (if you're in the United States).
EDIT: Ninja'd. Five times.
^ I don't think that's how it works.
Apparently it is, if you want to.
I believe that simply because we created the name first we have some sort of legal standing?
If it gives us any standing it would be very weak. No official standing
Yeah, it is weak, but as Sir said, it is bad taste.
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I believe that simply because we created the name first we have some sort of legal standing?
Not really, but stealing the name would still be in bad taste.
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Well, if you can prove you had the name since 2001 well you're in business.
Ic an't remember the law about this, but at lkeast in the US i think this is true. It also might be international I can't rememer. Who wants to forge the rcords lol.
It is in bad taste and questionable legality to name it omnimaga. now what is it for making a site inspired by omni but under a different name?
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^ I don't think that's how it works.
You don't even need to write the word "copyright" down to have copyright. Basically, what the law says is that as soon as an idea or concept is recorded into a "tangible medium of expression,"* you have copyright for that intellectual property. In order to collect monetary fees, though, you need to prove that someone else violating your copyright has caused you to lose money in some way. Omnimaga doesn't bring anyone money, so it's kind of hard to lose something you don't get.
So yeah, we have copyright, but we can't do anything with it :P
EDIT: Ruler, it depends on how like Omnimaga the site is. If it's similar enough that visitors could easily get confused and associate it with omnimaga, then there's a violation. If it's only "inspired" and wouldn't cause many people to associate it with omnimaga, which is what I see, then we can't claim copyright violation. Either way, legal issues are overkill IMHO.
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so we can't have another site brought down for using our name?
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Its perfectly fine and perfectly legal. He just has to understand that in order to compete with several highly matinenced and mature sites, he will need something that other sites don't have in order to attract users.
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Well, if you can prove you had the name since 2001 well you're in business.
Ic an't remember the law about this, but at lkeast in the US i think this is true. It also might be international I can't rememer. Who wants to forge the rcords lol.
It's pretty much international except in the US, lol. We actually have some pretty weak copyright laws.
It is in bad taste and questionable legality to name it omnimaga. now what is it for making a site inspired by omni but under a different name?
IMHO, that's fine. But as Qwerty said, we don't want to split the community into more smaller and smaller fora. But the site's definitely fine.
EDIT: Ninja'd three times.
EDIT2: What Builderboy said :)
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Man, this topic is getting a lot of attention. The site's title doesn't make much sense.
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This would be kind of depressing for me to read if I had made this website.
This is not too bad just it should not break the calc community into even smaller pieces. that will just end up hurting everyone
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My edits keep getting ninja'd...
We basically have no rights. Additionally, [I believe] the legal precedent is that where the site is hosted determines what laws it falls under. Omnimaga is hosted in the US, so it's US copyright laws that are important.
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Us copyright laws are crap though(at least from what I know). I think your right it is the country its hosted in that matters.
Is it only under international law if it is in multiple countries?
I think we should have a different topic for discussing copyrights and leave this fr annoyingoranges site.
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There's an implied copyright on everything you make. Basically, if you ever put the word Copyright or the copyright symbol anywhere on your work, you have a claim to go to court :D
I did not put a (C) symbol near the Omni stuff at the bottom of every page saying 2001-2011, the Omnimaga project, because IMHO I did not create everything on the site. Example: we use someone else's forum software to run the site, which is copyrighted to SimpleMachines. I do not think we would have a chance in court anyway, though, because no big money is involved. It would just be unethical from other people part to be stealing the Omni name to use it on their own website, especially a calc one. Also since Omni is popular, maybe his site would also rise in Google rankings and gets most members we would have gotten instead, even though it's not the real Omnimaga site.
Also as people and myself said before, there are way too many calculator forums. It was a wonder Omni even worked in 2005. I did not want a forum on the site, but people wanted one so I made one anyway. It was only created because there was demand for one. If there was no demand, it migth have been even harder to attract members. Heck, even with a few demand, the site had hard times at first. I had like 40% of all forum posts, replying to almost everything, for the first 6 months, then about 25% of the entire activity was in the spam section. The site was a lot popular because of my featured ticalc.org games at the time and people came because I only posted there, else when I was absent for a while, it was nearly dead. Today it happened to work well, but we sure got through lots of hard times to get where we are. It is even harder in a niche community like the TI one. Since there are already many other forums and the TI community is not big like some gaming ones, when someone starts (and advertise) another calc forum, he is not happy, because we already had an hard time keeping members around. Just one and half a year ago, Cemetech averaged at like 15 posts per day, if not less.
Anyway good luck. (I edited the topic title by the way)
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There is no reason to get all up-tight about copyright stuff. annoyingorange obviously knows nothing about the matter, and made it out of naivety. I don't think it's a bad idea, though, I think it's a rather stupid one. There are, as qwerty nicely put it, not enough people to fill the fora already. I don't think yours will attract many if any at all.
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no the website does not appear in google
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Annoyingorange, I'll put it simply. You have, in a nutshell, arrived at this forum, offended people, asked a handful of incredibly nonspecific questions, attempted to split our userbase, then posted proudly about it. In times such as these, when TI's OS updates are nothing short of acts of war, the community needs to be strong and unified. There are, as others have said, too many fora.
Creating a webs.com site and posting it here is not only pointless and detrimental to the hobbyist community as a whole, but disrespects our staff by asserting that anyone can run a successful forum with little effort. In case you hadn't noticed, the manager of this site recently resigned as a moderator due to the mental and physical stress brought on by maintaining the site.
In the future, think before you post.
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Annoyingorange, I don't think it is wrong to have a website of your own that goes about calcs. I have one too that just goes about my projects. But I think making a forum isn't a great idea, since there excist many many calc fora.
Also if that 'mario' game that you uploaded on your site is not yours, I don't think it's really nice to do so.
If you really want to have a website, I would advice to have something like a blog or so where you write about your project(s)?
Then, if there are people who are interested in your project(s), they might reply on some of your articles.
Also, "Tommorrow" is written incorrect.
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Also if that 'mario' game that you uploaded on your site is not yours, I don't think it's really nice to do so.
It's definitely his (http://omniurl.tk/8270/), don't worry.
If you really want to have a website, I would advice to have something like a blog or so where you write about your project(s)?
Then, if there are people who are interested in your project(s), they might reply on some of your articles.
That's a good idea :) It takes a big userbase to start a forum, remember.
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Yeah, I would really recommend starting a blog or something similar if you would like your own website. Making a "forum" (on webs.com no less) is just all around a waste of time. Look into Google's Blogger service, sign up, and start writing away. You won't make anyone angry with that (unless you call it Omnimaga again)
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Also if that 'mario' game that you uploaded on your site is not yours, I don't think it's really nice to do so.
It's definitely his (http://omniurl.tk/8270/), don't worry.
If you really want to have a website, I would advice to have something like a blog or so where you write about your project(s)?
Then, if there are people who are interested in your project(s), they might reply on some of your articles.
That's a good idea :) It takes a big userbase to start a forum, remember.
Yeah I think he just didn't make his own sprites yet or used someone's sprites here.
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Yeah, I would really recommend starting a blog or something similar if you would like your own website. Making a "forum" (on webs.com no less) is just all around a waste of time. Look into Google's Blogger service, sign up, and start writing away. You won't make anyone angry with that (unless you call it Omnimaga again)
Hello D, welcome to the forum. Are you a programmer?
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Yeah, I would really recommend starting a blog or something similar if you would like your own website. Making a "forum" (on webs.com no less) is just all around a waste of time. Look into Google's Blogger service, sign up, and start writing away. You won't make anyone angry with that (unless you call it Omnimaga again)
Welcome to the forums D, you should Introduce Yourself here (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=10.0)!