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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Spyro543 on September 17, 2011, 08:24:57 pm
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What political party are you in?
I'm Republican.
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Republican :)
Or conservative for you Europeans (or Canadians?).
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>devoting yourself to a single political party
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
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What is wrong with that? The reason people do that is because a political party has beliefs that people agree with (like Spyro and I with the republican party).
If a party shares the beliefs you have, why not devote yourself to it?
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Republican all the way.
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What is wrong with that? The reason people do that is because a political party has beliefs that people agree with (like Spyro and I with the republican party).
If a party shares the beliefs you have, why not devote yourself to it?
Because if devoting yourself to a party causes you to compromise at all on your beliefs, it's a bad party to devote yourself. If joining a party doesn't change your beliefs, then it's rather useless as a political party. So you're basically left with parties as social forces, which is pretty idiotic as a democratic system (although very sensible as a republican system).
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But parties are a way to identify yourself as what you believe. I say I am republican, because I agree with how republicans do things. Someone might call them-self a democrat if they believe in democrat ideals.
If you believe in those things and someone asks you what you believe politically, its much easier to say you are republican that to say I believe this and that and this and that.
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Woot woot, did somebody say par-tay ! :D :hyper: :w00t:
I am fairly conservative in a lot of ways except politically. Politically, I lean more toward liberal, but both have some messed up ideals and good ones :)
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hooray republicans XD
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I'm a conservative republican, but I don't like Romney. Yup, I'm with spyro, jkag, and the rest of the reps. And I hope you don't really like Obama, Xeda, cuz I doubt he's getting reelected.
Oh, and mods, if this is considered bashing, go ahead and get rid of the part about obama. but it is in the misc section, so...
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I do actually like Obama, sorry :p I don't mind if he is not reelected, though, so long as somebody better is elected to office :)
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It was interesting. Back in eighth grade I thought I was pretty independent in my combination of political views, but then I took my first political test and found I ended up exactly in the middle of the Republican party.
And here's a reminder to everyone: Since this is a political thread, please be especially careful with what you say (or post). It's just too easy for any innocent political topic to turn into a flame war.
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flyingfisch, it's not really bashing. I think the democratic party in general doesn't really have much faith in him either. And I agree with jkag too. just because you say you're in a party doesn't mean you need to compromise or change your beliefs. I only change my opinion if I convince myself otherwise (I'm stubborn like that) but because I'm conservative in many ways, I generalize myself as republican.
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Democrat. I agree with their ideas more than the Republican party's.
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I identify myself as a Republican, but really, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (idk what that is).
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If I were American, I would probably be Democrat. Otherwise, I tend to dislike the mainstream political parties (Liberal, Conservative), especially since somewhat the last Canadian elections, I hated both of them, and the Bloc Québécois (the separatist party) was going nowhere. So New Democrat or Green. I think most Québécois agreed with me, since the Bloc Québécois lost nearly all their seats (which was almost all of the seats in Québec) to the New Democrats. My county is still conservative though. Also I would had voted for the Pirate Party if they were in my county. I would had represented them if I wasn't still in college. Also I think I would say the same thing with my provincial government.
tl;dr Canadians politics sure are crazy.
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Very interesting. I myself identify myself as republican and even am a leader in my school's young republican club. Why I find this so interesting was because I can't recall there ever being a political thread before here but if anyone takes a look at cemetech's politics sub-forum you will see that the overwhelming majority of members and admins are liberal. But over here we have many more conservatives which is surprising based off how I pictured the average user here. btw I'm really looking forward to 2012 because my 18th birthday is 4 days before the general election so I'll get the chance to vote ;D
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I'll be able to vote too z80man :D
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Apparently we need to be 18 for a month before we vote :/ if not, then woot because my birthday is October 19th so I'd have plenty of time :D
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btw I'm really looking forward to 2012 because my 18th birthday is 4 days before the general election so I'll get the chance to vote ;D
Ahhhhh lucky I'll only be 16 :(
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Actually BlakPilar, I might be wrong on that. I know my state (New York) at least makes you register 1 month before an election to be able to vote. It might be different in your state.
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Apparently we need to be 18 for a month before we vote :/ if not, then woot because my birthday is October 19th so I'd have plenty of time :D
AFAIK I never knew of that rule and I doubt it exists.
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Juju I know it exists in New York, other states it might not. My friend is mad because he can't vote in February for the republican candidate.
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I hope it's not for PA lol. I want to be able to vote.
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Well look it up ;D
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Apparently we need to be 18 for a month before we vote :/ if not, then woot because my birthday is October 19th so I'd have plenty of time :D
That is partially true because the application process does take about a month in most states but I know here in California and probably many others, you can register to vote before your 18th birthday as long as by the time the next election day comes you will have already turned 18. Checking the schedule there is a city wide election in my district in early October so I will be able to register after that and that will leave me with plenty of time before the general election.
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Off Topic, but:
z80man
6. Create an emulator of the 83+ for the Prizm (not started)
that sounds amazing
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Off Topic, but:
z80man
6. Create an emulator of the 83+ for the Prizm (not started)
that sounds amazing
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Oh right I haven't updated my sig in a couple of months now. I've actually made quite a bit of progress on that now. With all the emulators I've been writing recently my skill at making them has been getting better and they are easier to write now. I"m also going to do a total rewrite of my Prizm emulator project because the last one was a fail and I know exactly what I have to do this time.
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Republicans are, for the most part:
Greedy
Self-Righteous
Republicans are the ones who cut MILLIONS in Pennsylvania's school funding.
Republicans are pushing to cut Public TV and radio.
Republicans mix church and state.
Republicans want to give those with millions of dollars more tax relief than those who struggle to make ends meet every day.
For money.
That's greedy.
P.S. Not that Democrats are much better :P
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I identify myself as a Republican, but really, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (idk what that is).
I'd imagine that the economic issues you lean more towards being a conservative. And with social issues, you are closer to being liberal.
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Careful with your generalizations there, boot ;)
1: I haven't noticed any cuts in my school that the school themselves did not intend to cut.
2: No, SOME of them are pushing to censor TV and radio more than what it is now.
3: Since when did republicans want a theocracy?
4: Where did you hear that? And wasn't it Obama and the democrats who gave billions of dollars to banks in hopes of a trickle-down effect when it obviously wouldn't work that way (and didn't), when a trickle-up effect is what would've been better?
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Hell. Democrats if anyone like making cuts to schools. My governor cut a LOT of money (not sure exactly how much) from schools saying it might "inspire them to do better". This caused the cut of at least 20 staff members at my school. If anything came out of this, schools in my area are now doing worse.
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This topic is now locked until further notice due to flaming. Seriously guys isn't the whole idea of government that even though we have have different ideas we cooperate for a higher common purpose. If we're going to start bashing other political parties then the discussion will have to stop.
Edit: I'm unlocking the topic now but everyone must keep their comments civil. Please try to avoid bashing other parties, groups, and/or beliefs because otherwise this will lead to major conflicts and we don't want that. A debate about which party is better won't change anyone's opinions so we need to respect that. As long as everyone can honor these terms this topic will remain unlocked.
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Now I have to rewrite my post completely O.O :'(
Hold on... (I wrote it, but got ninja-lock'd D:, although it's ok)
EDIT actyually I'M gonna keep it shorter since maybe some stuff I wanted to say might have been bashing.
I personally would have been democrat if I was american around 2010, since I was not into the whole putting so much money into war thing that Bush did and also how screwed up the economy got, but now I see with democrats it isn't that much better so I can't make up an opinion for myself about which one I'm more siding with.
As for canadian politics I don't care much now since we did not have much issues with our current government, although I wish he would put money into stuff that is more necessary than those F-35 jets that will cost $9 billion total.
IMHO regardless of the party that gets elected, it isn't necessarily gonna be any better. Some stuff will be much better, but others will become worse.
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2: No, SOME of them are pushing to censor TV and radio more than what it is now.
Any governmental censorship is bad, imo. I don't like the idea of someone else deciding that something is unsuitable for me.
4: Where did you hear that? And wasn't it Obama and the democrats who gave billions of dollars to banks in hopes of a trickle-down effect when it obviously wouldn't work that way (and didn't), when a trickle-up effect is what would've been better?
Nope, Bush signed that one in. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program)
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4: Where did you hear that? And wasn't it Obama and the democrats who gave billions of dollars to banks in hopes of a trickle-down effect when it obviously wouldn't work that way (and didn't), when a trickle-up effect is what would've been better?
Prove that a trickle-up would have been better.
This caused the cut of at least 20 staff members at my school. If anything came out of this, schools in my area are now doing worse.
Much as I understand that those teachers probably weren't dead weight based on cuts I've seen elsewhere, please prove (or at least show evidence) that the cuts weren't beneficial overall.
Any governmental censorship is bad, imo. I don't like the idea of someone else deciding that something is unsuitable for me.
Thanks for putting in the "IMO" part. That's how people should be phrasing their opinions [in my opinion].
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Well, here in my country, if I make the conversion to USA-Politics I would be a Conservative (I don't understand USA-Politics by the way).
I think it's up to everybody to choose whether they want to have a political party, defend it and work on it (thus trying to lead a better future) or to not have a political party and say that having one political party is usually a bad idea.
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@Netham, they always try to censor things more than what they already are, especially video games, but it never really works out lol. And you got me on the Bush thing :P
@Qwerty, I can't "prove" it, per se, but I think it would work a lot better. Give money to the mom-and-pop businesses. They buy goods/services from other companies, who in turn do the same with larger companies, so on so forth. That, to me, sounds a lot better than giving money to banks and car dealerships who ended laying people off and giving their CEOs benefits :/
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I know plenty of republicans and democrats that try not to incorporate religion into politics
I know plenty that do
Um, also, about the economy and whatnot, I am with DJ_O on that one. When Bush jr. became president, I was just becoming aware of politics (I was 8?) and by the time I was 16, half of my life was spent under Republican rule and ideals. Naturally I saw how screwed up the economy was getting and decided to blame it on Bush and the republicans because that was who was in power. However, when Obama came into power and things haven't managed to get fixed and there are still problems and people can't support their families, I realised that it wasn't entirely Bush's fault or Obama's, it was just a political fault.
In tenth grade, I decided to read up on some social and economic ideas and this included books like the Communist Manifesto. What I learned from that is that while many things seem good on paper, they often don't work out as planned in practice. Whenever I hear people make a strong statement about how things should be done or how they should have been done, I want to point out:
-Hindsight is twenty-twenty. It is always easier to see old mistakes than to predict or anticipate new ones
-Instead of providing a political opinion, come up with a political solution and apply it. If you can do that, you can lead a nation and anybody will follow your ideals.
Sorry if my two cents aren't worth anything :/ This economy just isn't helping
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...while many things seem good on paper, they often don't work out as planned in practice.
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-Hindsight is twenty-twenty. It is always easier to see old mistakes than to predict or anticipate new ones
-Instead of providing a political opinion, come up with a political solution and apply it. If you can do that, you can lead a nation and anybody will follow your ideals.
Agreed.
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:D Also, I would like to point out that I am glad there are people interested in their government! I know too many people that just don't care unless they need to blame something or someone :)
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Hey blakpillar, that's why I said democrats aren't much better.
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I identify myself as a Republican, but really, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (idk what that is).
I'd imagine that the economic issues you lean more towards being a conservative. And with social issues, you are closer to being liberal.
Sorry for being unclear D:
I meant that I didn't know what the political term for that is.
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@boot, it's "BlakPilar" lol. I intentionally misspelled it :P but I was just saying be careful with your harsh generalizations; they can be considered bashing and/or flaming.
@pianoman, maybe tea-partyist? I believe they're a type of liberal republican.
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I think that really, mainstream reps and democrats are not so great. I have an inkling that they are actually going towards the same goal, and if they aren't, they are going to have a very hard time fixing this country. If I had to bet my money on one person, I would pick Ron Paul. And he might not even be able to do it. And I also disagree with the "pick any conservative, just get Obama out of office" theory. We have to be very careful, because our country is hanging in a very delicate balance.
Now, just because I support Ron Paul does not mean I am a 9/11 truther etc., etc.
And this subject is very delecate, I understand, so if the admin deems it necessary, go ahead and edit my post.
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Personally, I think many political problems would be solved if there were no political parties at all. In my mind, all they really seem to be are control mechanisms that try to enforce their views on a wide portion of the populace. Furthermore, in the end they all seem to only want control, at least here in the US. If you were to see the Obama administration you'd see Republicans fighting him tooth and nail over virtually everything he tried to do and that hurt his administration severely, where if he didn't have such opposition, he'd probably get a lot more done then he has now. Perhaps. Personally I think they spend so much time and money vying for control that they actually do more bad than good. And if they didn't exist, more of the populaces' mindset could be expressed through various ideas instead of cookie cutter "all in one" packages of ideas that political parties embody.
Something that goes along with this is, they are fighting for control, to destroy the opposing parties. However, only one time in the US's history has that occurred, and it was disastrous. The "Era of Good Feelings" was a time where only one political party existed and they pretty much ran everything into the ground because there were no variances in opinion. Thus, whatever the party thought, everyone thought and it did a lot of damage. So the antics of political parties and their ultimate goal of dominance, is something we really shouldn't want happening.
(To be safe I hope I didn't offend anyone in this post. I just feel that political parties themselves seem to be a big part of the problem. If this post is a problem, I'll delete it.)
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I'm all for the Rent is too damn high party!!
(actual political party, but not for it)
Yes, there really is a "the rent is too damn high" party.
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Apparently we need to be 18 for a month before we vote :/ if not, then woot because my birthday is October 19th so I'd have plenty of time :D
That is partially true because the application process does take about a month in most states but I know here in California and probably many others, you can register to vote before your 18th birthday as long as by the time the next election day comes you will have already turned 18. Checking the schedule there is a city wide election in my district in early October so I will be able to register after that and that will leave me with plenty of time before the general election.
In Québec, the health department notices you're about to be 18 and automatically registers you to the elections director for you, while sending you a nice letter saying you got automatically registered and some flyers about STDs.
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That would be nice if they did that here... I'll probly register a month or so before my birthday if I really am able to do that. Just get it over with.
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I registered last month... I am registered as undecided and my fiancée is registered as republican :D
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Personally, I think that the whole election system would work better if there were either many major parties or none...
it would allow for more viewpoints to be established, and it would stop people from blindly voting for a candidate just because they support the party(for example, a front-runner in the Republican party in the US, Rick Perry, at one point threatened to have Texas secede from the US)
Aside from that, I'm pretty strongly liberal...
I identify myself as a Republican, but really, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (idk what that is).
Libertarian...
@pianoman, maybe tea-partyist? I believe they're a type of liberal republican.
No way... Tea-partyists are way more conservative than most republicans
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@Qwerty, I can't "prove" it, per se, but I think it would work a lot better. Give money to the mom-and-pop businesses. They buy goods/services from other companies, who in turn do the same with larger companies, so on so forth. That, to me, sounds a lot better than giving money to banks and car dealerships who ended laying people off and giving their CEOs benefits :/
You mean the same people who have a well known history of bailing out and saving like there's no tomorrow every time the stock market takes a dip?
The point that I was trying to make (and that Xeda pointed out) is that hindsight is basically 20/20. You can always say "oh that didn't work because the group over here should have gotten the money." Also, it is *incredibly* difficult to predict any change in economics. Even the economists have no idea what they're doing, sometimes. The fact that you had economists saying that what the administration did was the right choice and other economists saying it would do nothing just serves to demonstrate the general uncertainty of any large scale economic action.
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By the first part of your post, do you mean the banks/auto companies, or the mom-and-pop businesses? I can't tell lol.
But yes, I agree with the hindsight part. We learn from our mistakes, even the ones that can drastically harm a nation :)
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The mom-and-pops :P
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Ahh. Then yes, that's exactly what I meant lol
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Republican, but I have some things I agree/disagree with from both parties.
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I think this country is pretty corrupt, and it is going to be very difficult to turn it around. Both parties do good and bad things. Bush was good at the beginning, but after his reelection, he was almost as liberal as a democrat. and while the democrats were fighting him and accusing him of spending too much, they don't have any problem with Obama, when unemployment rates are sky-high and the deficit is enormous. What we need to do is close the borders, take companys out of china, and give americans their jobs back. Instead, Obama plays golf...
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Instead, Obama plays golf...
Well, look for a moment at who's BLOCKING all Obama tries to do...
You guessed right, the GOP...
Obama tried to pass plenty of stuff, but the republicans tend to negotiate and negotiate until the proposed plan has shifted right :P
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I didn't say the republicans were that much better...
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Instead, Obama plays golf...
Well, look for a moment at who's BLOCKING all Obama tries to do...
You guessed right, the GOP...
Obama tried to pass plenty of stuff, but the republicans tend to negotiate and negotiate until the proposed plan has shifted right :P
But now how did the GOP block Obama prior to the 2010 elections? If you remember prior to then, liberals controlled both the house and senate with overwhelming majorities while having a democratic president. Obama and congress had nothing blocking their policy and all the opportunity to fix the economy for 2 years but instead things got worse and a result the American people decided to put the GOP back in congress. Also I'm very tired of Obama blaming all our issues on Bush and the wealthy. For once could he ever take responsibility and try to solve our issues instead of chasing opinion polls.
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Locked again.