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Title: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ashbad on January 15, 2011, 08:39:38 am: Lookie what I've found here: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/434/43454.html

happybobjr, a 1337 omnimagian, made sniper 101. Then some guy comes and says he "mods" it and makes it 10x better, though there is no difference at all in the game. Before I give ti a review calling at a scam, I want to make sure happybobjr just didn't update it or something and there's no scam involved. :P

EDIT: ...and did he have permission?
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 15, 2011, 08:41:47 am: Yeah I wondered about that too, since I never saw the guy here and never read anything about Happybobjr giving permission to someone else to release this, especially that he didn't finish the game, I think.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ashbad on January 15, 2011, 08:42:40 am: maybe this is a scam... I want to hear from happybobjr or a close peer of his before I go rating it 1/10 and calling it a ripoff though, to give the game a fair shot.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: aeTIos on January 15, 2011, 08:51:07 am: in the readme is nothing about permissions or so, and i dont think that happybobjr would give permission to release a tweaked version of it.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: yunhua98 on January 15, 2011, 09:16:22 am: I bumped the sniper topic already yesterday, look at it, ub it, gapotbon said he gave permission afterward.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: JosJuice on January 15, 2011, 09:16:53 am: ...gapotbon?
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Happybobjr on January 15, 2011, 10:53:02 am: Gabotbon?

oh well. No I did not give him permission. I talked to him. He seemed sorry for not asking. Happybobjr said all is well and no hard feelings. Happybobjr then gives him permission.

It was strange seeing it appear. I am kinda glad to i never posted my updated version as it was too bulky.
He is trying to learn axe by looking at the code :P

Spoiler For email #1:
On 01/14/2011 07:09 AM, James Oldiges wrote:
> Yes i have abandoned sniper 101.
> I would of, however, appreciated you telling me before you change the game,
>
> I am not angry, but I could have given you a more resent version to work with.
>
> warm regards,
> James Oldiges
>
My apologies for not contacting you about that. I had been tweaking it a bit for some time and wasn't originally going to upload it, but on a spur of the moment thing did and realized today I probably should have asked permission. As you may have saw, I tried to give as much credit as possible to you since it really was you who made the game. It you want me to change anything or want to merge my tweaks into your recent version I would happy to help in anyway

Thanks again for making such a great program,
Steven Ryan

Spoiler For email #2:
On 01/14/2011 04:47 PM, James Oldiges wrote:
> I made this game open source for a reason. I was thrilled someone else enjoyed the work that i did.
> I have no hard feelings about the lack of consulting me before you did it. I was just surprised this morning when i saw sniper 202
> I decided a while ago that the features made a simple fun game into mess of options, if you know what i mean.
>
> A few side notes:
> * I will be checking your revision out today or tomorrow. I was surprised to see you had zooming (which i thick is quite a cool idea you had there)
> * I would like to stay in contact with you for a while.
> * Are you planning more features such as different mode types.
> * what made you decide sniper 101 as a game to edit. (I am curious as i am the only programmer at my school)
> * Do you wish for me to optimize the code?
>
> Very warm regards,
> James Oldiges

I'll admit, the zooming function at the moment is just your cheat mode with the ability to shoot turned off. I plan on making in three levels of zoom once my Axe knowledge becomes better: Zoomed in all the way, partially zoomed in, and not zoomed at all. Hitting the target would count for less points in partially zoomed mode. I would be happy to stay in contact. Right now the only things I'm planning on adding are the aforementioned zooming and better reloading, such as setting manual reloading instead of automatic. I just happened upon your game on ticalc and saw it was written in Axe and figured I would try it out. I was impressed with it and wanted to fix the limits I saw. Personally, I think optimization should be worried about either after features are finished or if the game becomes to slow down too much.

Still impressed,
Steve Ryan
--
about.me/bit101 (http://about.me/bit101)

Edit: when highlighting a smily on your computer, does it look evil. It does on mine :)
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ranman on January 15, 2011, 10:56:52 am: Quote from: happybobjr on January 15, 2011, 10:53:02 am
Gabotbon?

oh well. No I did not give him permission. I talked to him. He seemed sorry for not asking. Happybobjr said all is well and no hard feelings. Happybobjr then gives him permission.

It was strange seeing it appear. I am kinda glad to i never posted my updated version as it was too bulky.
He is trying to learn axe by looking at the code :P

Spoiler For Spoiler:
On 01/14/2011 07:09 AM, James Oldiges wrote:
> Yes i have abandoned sniper 101.
> I would of, however, appriciated you telling me before you change the game,
>
> I am not angry, but I could have given you a more resent version to work with.
>
> warm regards,
> James Oldiges
>
My apologies for not contacting you about that. I had been tweaking it a bit for some time and wasn't originally going to upload it, but on a spur of the moment thing did and realized today I probably should have asked permission. As you may have saw, I tried to give as much credit as possible to you since it really was you who made the game. It you want me to change anything or want to merge my tweaks into your recent version I would happy to help in anyway

Thanks again for making such a great program,
Steven Ryan

Spoiler For Spoiler:
On 01/14/2011 04:47 PM, James Oldiges wrote:
> I made this game open source for a reason. I was thrilled someone else enjoyed the work that i did.
> I have no hard feelings about the lack of consulting me before you did it. I was just surprised this morning when i saw sniper 202
> I decided a while ago that the features made a simple fun game into mess of options, if you know what i mean.
>
> A few side notes:
> * I will be checking your revision out today or tomorrow. I was surprised to see you had zooming (which i thick is quite a cool idea you had there)
> * I would like to stay in contact with you for a while.
> * Are you planning more features such as different mode types.
> * what made you decide sniper 101 as a game to edit. (I am curious as i am the only programmer at my school)
> * Do you wish for me to optimize the code?
>
> Very warm regards,
> James Oldiges

I'll admit, the zooming function at the moment is just your cheat mode with the ability to shoot turned off. I plan on making in three levels of zoom once my Axe knowledge becomes better: Zoomed in all the way, partially zoomed in, and not zoomed at all. Hitting the target would count for less points in partially zoomed mode. I would be happy to stay in contact. Right now the only things I'm planning on adding are the aforementioned zooming and better reloading, such as setting manual reloading instead of automatic. I just happened upon your game on ticalc and saw it was written in Axe and figured I would try it out. I was impressed with it and wanted to fix the limits I saw. Personally, I think optimization should be worried about either after features are finished or if the game becomes to slow down too much.

Still impressed,
Steve Ryan
--
about.me/bit101 (http://about.me/bit101)

I would ask Ticalc to have it removed. It just doesn't seem right to leave it up.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Happybobjr on January 15, 2011, 11:00:36 am: I don't mind IMHO. If he were to take it up as a project he might be able to make it fun. He changed some things that i really liked (I liked the changes, not i liked the things he changed... I hate my poor grammer and me spelling)

he made cheat mode remove points.
He made it so when you run out of amo, a new clip in inserted (at a price)
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ranman on January 15, 2011, 11:03:45 am: Quote from: happybobjr on January 15, 2011, 11:00:36 am
I don't mind IMHO. If he were o take it up as a project he might be able to make it fun. He changed some things that i really liked (I liked the changes, not i liked the things he changed... I hate my poor grammer and me spelling)

he made cheat mode remove points.
He made it so when you run out of amo, a new clip in inserted (at a price)

That's fine... At the very least, make sure you are listed as an author.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Happybobjr on January 15, 2011, 11:05:25 am: I am listed as the main author, yes.
He edited the read me at the bottom denying the he has created the game too.
other than not telling me he had done it, he gave credit quite well
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ashbad on January 15, 2011, 03:39:33 pm: well as long as it all works out, cool 8)
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Munchor on January 15, 2011, 03:40:06 pm: I also released uPong and Racer3D: Replay. I don't think it is a scam, though.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ashbad on January 15, 2011, 03:43:27 pm: nah, quigibo didn't protest yet, unless he's hiding in your closet with a "axe parser LASER" (dr. evil quotes) ^\_(O.o)_/^

I just wanted to make sure happybobjr didn't get scammed for his work, and obviously he didn't in the end
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Munchor on January 15, 2011, 03:52:37 pm: Quote from: Ashbad on January 15, 2011, 03:43:27 pm
nah, quigibo didn't protest yet, unless he's hiding in your closet with a "axe parser LASER" (dr. evil quotes) ^\_(O.o)_/^

I just wanted to make sure happybobjr didn't get scammed for his work, and obviously he didn't in the end

I hope that doesn't happen, but if he ever disagrees with it, I'll just delete the files from ticalc.org, omnimaga and cemetech ;D
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 15, 2011, 11:08:05 pm: I'm glad this turned out well and no stealing/whatever got involved.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Ashbad on January 16, 2011, 09:16:41 am: the thing is, he may have done it to just get downloads. I see absolutely no difference whatsoever in the programs 101 and 202, and even though happybob gets downloads too, it was kinda sneaky IMHO <_<

though, if happybob is okay with it, then nevermind :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 16, 2011, 02:52:22 pm: Yeah that isn't too legit x.x. If happybobjr doesn't mind, though, then oh well.
Title: Re: Sniper 101... SCAMMED?
Post by: Happybobjr on January 16, 2011, 02:53:49 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 16, 2011, 02:52:22 pm
Yeah that isn't too legit x.x. If happybobjr doesn't mind, though, then oh well.

considering the game wasn't great in the first place ;)
I will beposting an update if i ever understand how to download ti-connect. :banghead: