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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 10:28:09 pm »
Those overseas can sign it too!  Please, do!  The system has been misused and abused. time and time again (such as when it was used by former member to spy on their girlfriends, or if the database is hacked).  Also, the United States government spies on people overseas.  I'm in (notice my avatar and signature).  ^^
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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 12:31:37 am »
Like code bender said, United States government programs such as the NSA are not limited to the U.S. They spy on people overseas as well. It's unconstitutional and an invasion of a citizen's (of any country) privacy. Nough said.

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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 12:15:44 pm »
make an educated guess on why the government didn't do it's job properly

of course, I'm only drawing speculations, but this does seem like the government being a mere illusion of democracy.

Just to put it out there, the US was never, and likely will never, be a democracy. Our government is a representational republic. Now, this system on its own works so long you put the right people into these positions. Most problems with our government arise from the fact it is a very small amount of people representing millions each. But that's beyond the point.

As far as the NSA goes, I'm also rather apathetic about it as I am most other things. I just have faith things will work out in the end. The NSA isn't something new, though. The US government has done far worse in recent history, take a look at McCarthyism. This is actually the one thing I find scary about the NSA, because it can be pretty obvious at times I have anti-capitalist, pro-socialist ideals. Given its track record, I'm sometimes concerned I might be labeled as some kind of threat to the State, when I'm actually quite harmless. Unlikely, but the concern is there.

The Net Neutrality issue, I'm more likely to go with AngelFish. It might have just arose out of sheer stupidity rather than corruption. Corruption is more if anything is actually affected, like companies start throttling connections. But that's more corruption of the companies rather than the government. Which in itself, has more to do with a capitalist economic policy rather than a republic government.

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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 01:08:29 pm »
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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 05:07:44 pm »
Will signing this actually have an effect? I mean, they are spying on everybody, so they should already know that we don't agree with it, right? I think that they won't just stop doing it even if every single internet user would sign it. And why would they? They're more powerfull than us, and they probably don't care much about us anyway.
I think that a political party may see the potential of a campaign that blocks spying on the people on the internet to winn a lot of votes, but even then, they'll most lickely still continue to spy secretly.

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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 10:12:08 pm »
Well, even if we somehow managed to make the NSA fall (which is pretty much impossible anyway), they would just reform as something else. Pretty much like how the SOPA was taken down then immediately revived as multiple other bills.

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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2014, 12:36:32 am »
As much as it would be nice to finally get rid of them all, it's the thought that counts.  ;)
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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2014, 01:40:04 am »
Just to put it out there, the US was never, and likely will never, be a democracy. Our government is a representational republic. Now, this system on its own works so long you put the right people into these positions. Most problems with our government arise from the fact it is a very small amount of people representing millions each. But that's beyond the point.
Technically, the United States is a constitutional republic, although representation occurs.  :)  However, considering the current swing towards the far left by the US government and the news media (who might as well be controlled by the government, as it is so biased), you have nothing to worry about.  It's the conservative population that needs to look out.  :/  I think that action should be taken - if you don't stop this monster of a program now, it will grow out of control.  Tracking is done without a warrant (violation of the 4th amendment), and the bills were passed without the knowledge of the American people.  The NSA claimed before Edward Snowden not to have any program involved in data collection, in what I believe was 2010, in a Nixon-like scandal...  The only difference is that nobody cares.  If the 4th amendment means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of the population, and many other amendments that are in the way of the regime's agenda (such as the right to bear arms, the freedom of speech, etc.), then America is screwed - it has lost the very values it was founded upon.

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« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 01:41:26 am by codebender »
My name is Josh and I a developer at Moonzean. I enjoy Radiohead, web development, Java, and cryptograms.
Spoiler For No Surprises, by Radiohead:
A heart that's full up like a landfill
A job that slowly kills you
Bruises that won't heal

You look so tired unhappy
Bring down the government
They don't, they don't speak for us

I'll take a quiet life
A handshake of carbon monoxide

And no alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises
Silent, silent

This is my final fit
My final bellyache

With no alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises please

Such a pretty house
And such a pretty garden

No alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises
No alarms and no surprises please

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Re: The Day We Fight Back
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2014, 02:02:57 am »
> inb4 Singularity, Skynet, Big Brother, and all that crap.

Missed I that day? I didn't see nothing special on the Interwebs, except some petitions. Not even a Anonymous message.
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