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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Sorunome on February 11, 2014, 07:48:57 am

Title: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Sorunome on February 11, 2014, 07:48:57 am
It is time to fight back the NSA!
https://thedaywefightback.org/
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 11, 2014, 08:19:48 am
Signed. I hope that site won't send me daily spam if I uncheck the "receive e-mails" case, though :P
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Siapran on February 11, 2014, 11:31:12 am
I usually restrain my hate towards people and entities, but the more I look at the american legislative system, the more I hate it.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: pimathbrainiac on February 11, 2014, 12:59:34 pm
Eh, I don't care either way. Not enough to email my legislature, though.

I find it ironic how I live in the US and I don't care enough to do so, and none of you live in the US, and you do care enough :P
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 11, 2014, 03:53:58 pm
I think it's because in USA people probably expected to be spied on since long ago, since it has been half a decade since they started trying to pass internet restriction bills, but elsewhere, people are not happy at all about the idea of a foreign country spying on theirs nor their own stuff.


That reminds me, I wonder if the NSA or Snowden issue could eventually result into World War 3?
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Siapran on February 11, 2014, 03:55:33 pm
We are still in a cold war, in case you didn't notice.
I mean look around you.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 11, 2014, 03:57:11 pm
True, but I really mean an actual war like WW2. Cold war is still going on in a way with the Snowden and other issues between Russia/their allies and USA/their allies, then there's the whole North Korea nuclear threat.

Another thing I wonder is even if no global war occur, could USA eventually become like China and North Korea when it comes to Internet censorship and laws?
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: pimathbrainiac on February 11, 2014, 04:00:54 pm
You forgot about Iran :P

But yeah, I knew Google tracked my searches since forever ago (I mean, that's how the engine works :P). Not much of a surprise to me that they give that info to the government.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Siapran on February 11, 2014, 04:15:32 pm
it's already not that far from it.
NSA is a perfect example of it.
the death of net neutrality is yet another example of the corruption of the state.
and guess what, that means the state is not serving the people, it's serving power.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: pimathbrainiac on February 11, 2014, 04:16:31 pm
Well said.
Siapran++
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: AngelFish on February 11, 2014, 04:22:38 pm
it's already not that far from it.
NSA is a perfect example of it.
the death of net neutrality is yet another example of the corruption of the state.
and guess what, that means the state is not serving the people, it's serving power.

You're drawing unsubstantiated conclusions. The issues you mention are rather sadly misrepresented by most of the people who talk about them. The net neutrality issue in particular (assuming you refer to the recent ruling by the D.C appellate court) is due to a failure on the part of the FCC to properly regulate Verizon. Had the government actually done its job properly, the case would likely have passed onto an actual trial for judgement.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Juju on February 11, 2014, 04:23:44 pm
Signed and added the banner on my website (http://broniesqc.com/). Omnimaga should do the same (although it's kind of late, but not much).
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Siapran on February 11, 2014, 04:25:02 pm
it's already not that far from it.
NSA is a perfect example of it.
the death of net neutrality is yet another example of the corruption of the state.
and guess what, that means the state is not serving the people, it's serving power.

You're drawing unsubstantiated conclusions. The issues you mention are rather sadly misrepresented by most of the people who talk about them. The net neutrality issue in particular (assuming you refer to the recent ruling by the D.C appellate court) is due to a failure on the part of the FCC to properly regulate Verizon. Had the government actually done its job properly, the case would likely have passed onto an actual trial for judgement.


make an educated guess on why the government didn't do it's job properly

of course, I'm only drawing speculations, but this does seem like the government being a mere illusion of democracy.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: AngelFish on February 11, 2014, 04:25:55 pm
Hanlon's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor) applies here.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Keoni29 on February 11, 2014, 04:37:13 pm
I feel like I should care about all this. Maybe it's because I am not an American, but I don't feel affected by all this. I always assumed the government was spying on everyone and you should always be careful with the data you put out there.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Joshuasm32 on February 11, 2014, 10:28:09 pm
Those overseas can sign it too!  Please, do!  The system has been misused and abused. time and time again (such as when it was used by former member to spy on their girlfriends, or if the database is hacked).  Also, the United States government spies on people overseas.  I'm in (notice my avatar and signature).  ^^
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: XiiDraco on February 13, 2014, 12:31:37 am
Like code bender said, United States government programs such as the NSA are not limited to the U.S. They spy on people overseas as well. It's unconstitutional and an invasion of a citizen's (of any country) privacy. Nough said.

I borrowed the photo directly from your avatar codebender.

You don't mind right?
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Scipi on February 13, 2014, 12:15:44 pm
make an educated guess on why the government didn't do it's job properly

of course, I'm only drawing speculations, but this does seem like the government being a mere illusion of democracy.

Just to put it out there, the US was never, and likely will never, be a democracy. Our government is a representational republic. Now, this system on its own works so long you put the right people into these positions. Most problems with our government arise from the fact it is a very small amount of people representing millions each. But that's beyond the point.

As far as the NSA goes, I'm also rather apathetic about it as I am most other things. I just have faith things will work out in the end. The NSA isn't something new, though. The US government has done far worse in recent history, take a look at McCarthyism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism). This is actually the one thing I find scary about the NSA, because it can be pretty obvious at times I have anti-capitalist, pro-socialist ideals. Given its track record, I'm sometimes concerned I might be labeled as some kind of threat to the State, when I'm actually quite harmless. Unlikely, but the concern is there.

The Net Neutrality issue, I'm more likely to go with AngelFish. It might have just arose out of sheer stupidity rather than corruption. Corruption is more if anything is actually affected, like companies start throttling connections. But that's more corruption of the companies rather than the government. Which in itself, has more to do with a capitalist economic policy rather than a republic government.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Siapran on February 13, 2014, 01:08:29 pm
[unrelated]
Spoiler For Spoiler:
(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b1/20080613043717!Download_communism.jpg)
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: ben_g on February 13, 2014, 05:07:44 pm
Will signing this actually have an effect? I mean, they are spying on everybody, so they should already know that we don't agree with it, right? I think that they won't just stop doing it even if every single internet user would sign it. And why would they? They're more powerfull than us, and they probably don't care much about us anyway.
I think that a political party may see the potential of a campaign that blocks spying on the people on the internet to winn a lot of votes, but even then, they'll most lickely still continue to spy secretly.

But, I don't know much about politics, and I'd love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 13, 2014, 10:12:08 pm
Well, even if we somehow managed to make the NSA fall (which is pretty much impossible anyway), they would just reform as something else. Pretty much like how the SOPA was taken down then immediately revived as multiple other bills.
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: XiiDraco on February 14, 2014, 12:36:32 am
As much as it would be nice to finally get rid of them all, it's the thought that counts.  ;)
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Joshuasm32 on February 14, 2014, 01:40:04 am
Just to put it out there, the US was never, and likely will never, be a democracy. Our government is a representational republic. Now, this system on its own works so long you put the right people into these positions. Most problems with our government arise from the fact it is a very small amount of people representing millions each. But that's beyond the point.
Technically, the United States is a constitutional republic, although representation occurs.  :)  However, considering the current swing towards the far left by the US government and the news media (who might as well be controlled by the government, as it is so biased), you have nothing to worry about.  It's the conservative population that needs to look out.  :/  I think that action should be taken - if you don't stop this monster of a program now, it will grow out of control.  Tracking is done without a warrant (violation of the 4th amendment), and the bills were passed without the knowledge of the American people.  The NSA claimed before Edward Snowden not to have any program involved in data collection, in what I believe was 2010, in a Nixon-like scandal...  The only difference is that nobody cares.  If the 4th amendment means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of the population, and many other amendments that are in the way of the regime's agenda (such as the right to bear arms, the freedom of speech, etc.), then America is screwed - it has lost the very values it was founded upon.

Sorry if I was rude - sometimes I just need to rant lol
I borrowed the photo directly from your avatar codebender.
You don't mind right?
lol Of course not!  ^^
Title: Re: The Day We Fight Back
Post by: Eiyeron on February 14, 2014, 02:02:57 am
> inb4 Singularity, Skynet, Big Brother, and all that crap.

Missed I that day? I didn't see nothing special on the Interwebs, except some petitions. Not even a Anonymous message.