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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: samebull (metagross111) on October 05, 2011, 12:38:28 am
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I'm sorry but you can't have the nDoom policy everywhere
read this
http://www.nysenate.gov/files/pdfs/final%20cyberbullying_report_september_2011.pdf
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Our government (US) is stupid.
We are screwed. might i point out the biggest piece of evidence....
when election time comes closer, candidates for elections cyber bully more than all the children in the world put together.
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no I wouldn't go that far, our government only works because of legalized political conflict
the point is, adults are well, adults and supposedly can take a punch.
I'm no worried about the children anyway
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ALL CAPS ARE HARD TO READ!!!
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This reminds me of the anti-bullying bill of rights thing that was recently discussed about on Cemetech http://cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6680 , except that that one was for school bullying.
The problem with the school one was that it could have lead to abuse, such as a kid getting punished just for telling another kid that he sucks even though the other kid is not affected that much but decides to report him because he hates him or something. Of course I think if a student is reported repeatdely for harrassment it should be checked out.
Online the anonymity makes it even harder to stop bullying. It's up to each site management to decide what is allowed on their site and what's not and to make their mind about what is considered as innapropriate or not, then apply their rules on the offenders accordingly to their policies. I think the only time action could be taken against someone for cyberbullying is if that cyberbully won't leave a certain person alone and stalks her everywhere she goes online (or even her IRL activities). However each site that are not ran by government and are private entities (like Omnimaga) are free to have their own rules and even limit free speech and the members are given the privilege of using that site as long as they respect the rules they have to agree with upon registering.
(On a side note the nDoom policy is simply a modified version of Omnimaga rules and its enforcements, where rule 1/2 violation usually lead to an automatic ban for the rest of the day instead of a first warning and an extra rule is temporarily added that disallows people to tell moderators how to run Omnimaga. However in many cases that policy was never really enforced that much and it usually even require many more offenses before someone gets a stronger punishment such as a 1 week ban or permaban. It usually lasts during Summer and late Fall)
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yeah whatever I won't contest nDoom's use at all but I gotta up front say I don't agree with it and it's poorly executed
honestly though it's because you guys hit me with it like the very first day i was here.
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Yeah it's fine if you disagree with it. The only thing is you need to make sure to follow the rules (like other members) so you won't face the same thing as another forum member recently (who deliberately tried to start fights with snide remarks). Omnimaga is meant to be free of those after all, so the members who are not fine with this might need to find another forum, even if it means less members for us.
And yeah I think you signed up around when the nDoom policy was re-instated. Generally we also go with post rating, though. A lot of forum members also tries to keep Omnimaga friendly and encourage other people to be friendly, so if we see a forum member gets in the low negatives, then we know there is something wrong, as typically if someone finds a post rude/trollish but it isn't that bad, other people will rate it back up anyway.
EDIT: Also yeah I remember that Pokémon argument X.x.
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ALL CAPS ARE HARD TO READ!!!
seconded. :P
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Rating is kinda borked cause everything I say is going to get rated by a majority and if I say anything controversial or counter-cultural here it could be interpreted as trolling.... but bad! Back on topic! Yeah! This bill sucks and will never make it.
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Also I found this http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111001/00002316160/ny-state-senators-say-weve-got-too-much-free-speech-introduce-bill-to-fix-that.shtml (from Cemetech again)
I seriously hope this never passes. There's a fine line between maybe trying to help desesperate people near suicide that got bullied to extreme extents and making free speech a privilege. This could totally get abused. On an internet sense my fear is if they start trying to take down sites non-stop that bashes governments or even other group of people like Jonas Brothers. I mean for example if a site let continuous anti-Omnimaga bashing/propaganda go on, then it sucks for us and it might be libel/slander, but I don't think law should interfer in what we want to say online where it is allowed. After all, what happens when mass-Omni-bashing occurs elsewhere is that plenty of people stops visiting that site as much and they lose considerable amounts of traffic.
The only time they should interfer is if for example Netham45 decided to plan a terrorist attack on seafood departments of local supermarkets and the planning was done on here (and nothing was done about it by Omni admins).
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Rating is kinda borked cause everything I say is going to get rated by a majority and if I say anything controversial or counter-cultural here it could be interpreted as trolling.... but bad! Back on topic! Yeah! This bill sucks and will never make it.
Borked?
Oh well :p
If you say anything "controversial or counter-cultural" it often helps to have a smily (or any other face :/ ) with it to show what you are trying to say.
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ALL CAPS ARE HARD TO READ!!!
seconded. :P
thirded? lol :)
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ALL CAPS ARE HARD TO READ!!!
seconded. :P
thirded? lol :)
4THED
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Personally, I think that they mean well by this, however, they're not going to find a way to accomplish their goals. Both suggestions they gave for what constitutes a punishable offense are terribly inadequate.
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Internet politics? This can't turn out well...
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Internet politics? This can't turn out well...
definitely.
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I thought government papers were supposed to be intelligent. (If only) Now they are blaming cyberbullying, which happens to
Forty-two percent of kids
for
blamed for nearly a dozen teen suicides
Oh no!!! out of the forty percent of kids that are cyberbullied,
not even twelve have committed suicide because of it!!!
Not only is that a disproportionately small number to be statistically reliable, but almost all of those children probably were to mentally unstable to be on the internet in the first place. They would have committed suicide if they never touched the internet.
Besides using unreliable and flimsy statistical data, it sounds like it was written by a ten year old. Here are some highlights:
AS ONE AUTHOR SO CLEVERLY NOTED:
parents claim was yeas of bullying...
GOES WAY BEYOND...
FOR ONE, CYBERBULLYING HAS NO...
THE TIME FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION IS NOW. THE TIME FOR GREATER
AWARENESS IS NOW.
This essay has no more refined language than anything you could find in a ten year old's papaer for school. I honestly do not think this "man" (I think it is actually a ten year old) has any position in politics. We need to weed out the dumb ones. THE TIME FOR GREATER AWARENESS IS NOW.
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Small numbers seem to have some sort of theme in life. I remember how people started calling the Swine Flu an "epidemic" after it killed something like 5 out of a population of a few million...
And I wonder what difference they thought it would make using all caps, lol
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Oh no!!! out of the forty percent of kids that are cyberbullied,
not even twelve have committed suicide because of it!!!
Not only is that a disproportionately small number to be statistically reliable, but almost all of those children probably were to mentally unstable to be on the internet in the first place. They would have committed suicide if they never touched the internet.
That's getting into a bit of a touchy subject, but you do have a point. They may have been mentally unstable. I'd like to see the relationship between IRL bullying suicides and Cyberbullying ones. All in all, its not all that big a deal. Teachers need to learn the warning signs of dangerous levels of bullying and parents need to learn how to better raise their children, because that's precisely where it all originates.
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Yeah, maybe I went too far...
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For some reason I feel like this topic should be in spam...
but who am I to say that kind of stuff? :P
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Oh no!!! out of the forty percent of kids that are cyberbullied,
not even twelve have committed suicide because of it!!!
Not only is that a disproportionately small number to be statistically reliable, but almost all of those children probably were to mentally unstable to be on the internet in the first place. They would have committed suicide if they never touched the internet.
I believe I understand the point you were trying to make, but I found this comment rather offensive, considering my sister has bipolar. She seems to be OK now, but she was fairly unstable a while back, and was bullied at her old middle school.
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Small numbers seem to have some sort of theme in life. I remember how people started calling the Swine Flu an "epidemic" after it killed something like 5 out of a population of a few million...
And I wonder what difference they thought it would make using all caps, lol
H1N1 was huge though. I had a sever case and it was extremely bad.
A couple of points.
* It was a killer, but as all countries were more prepared, few died.
* It caught quickly, spread quickly, and affected quickly. Thus hospitals were in serious trouble.
* The only reason it didn't seem as bad as it was made out to be is because it affected people fast enough that they didn't have much time to spread it.
Yeah, maybe I went too far...
Few people have the guts to say that. I find that admirable.
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I'm sorry Finale. I need to think harder about what I post.
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Yeah, maybe I went too far...
Few people have the guts to say that. I find that admirable.
I have to agree.
I'm sorry Finale. I need to think harder about what I post.
I know you didn't mean anything bad by it. Just keep things like that in mind in the future, and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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One thing to keep in mind though is that with cyberbullying it's easier to avoid it than regular bullying IRL. At least online, if you run into a cyberbully you can simply close the browser tab then go elsewhere or block him, without any fear of IRL retaliation. IRL, the bully is in front of you, and you can't just go back, as he'll just follow you. The problem with cyberbullying is when someone is also bullied a lot IRL or some things prevents him from meeting any decent people and getting a social life outside the internet. In my case for example all I got as people I can consider as friend in real life is one single person. The others are people I prefer to not hang out with regularly, because they're not very trustable and they do not respect others that much.
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Oh no!!! out of the forty percent of kids that are cyberbullied,
not even twelve have committed suicide because of it!!!
Not only is that a disproportionately small number to be statistically reliable, but almost all of those children probably were to mentally unstable to be on the internet in the first place. They would have committed suicide if they never touched the internet.
I believe I understand the point you were trying to make, but I found this comment rather offensive, considering my sister has bipolar. She seems to be OK now, but she was fairly unstable a while back, and was bullied at her old middle school.
I don't see what the issue is, all he did was state statistics.
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Oh no!!! out of the forty percent of kids that are cyberbullied,
not even twelve have committed suicide because of it!!!
Not only is that a disproportionately small number to be statistically reliable, but almost all of those children probably were to mentally unstable to be on the internet in the first place. They would have committed suicide if they never touched the internet.
I believe I understand the point you were trying to make, but I found this comment rather offensive, considering my sister has bipolar. She seems to be OK now, but she was fairly unstable a while back, and was bullied at her old middle school.
I don't see what the issue is, all he did was state statistics.
While he did state statistics, he also made a generalization about mentally unstable people. My sister was very unstable at one point, we had to admit her to a hospital twice, and I was very worried she would hurt herself. I may have overreacted slightly, but I don't appreciate people making generalizations about those with mental instabilities, because of everything I saw my sister go through.
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Yeah I agree with FinaleTI. Samebull please do not be so narrow-minded, else you will not be liked much around here.
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Yeah I agree with FinaleTI. Samebull please do not be so narrow-minded, else you will not be liked much around here.
whoa whoa whoa, I'M narrow minded?
It just makes sense, if you're going to commit suicide because someone was mean to you online, you sort of HAVE to be mentally unstable if you couldn't figure out getting offline. I suppose you could say you didn't like his tone, but it kind of sounds like a personal problem, because frankly there was no real generalization when the numbers are present and the test case is less than twelve.
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samebull, I'd be careful with your posts. I almost exploded on you before deleting the text and writing this. Frankly, you are being narrow-minded, and sometimes the stuff that happens online can very easily carry on into real life as it's almost always done by someone who personally knows the kid.
Really, he did make a generalization of those kids. FinaleTI gave his interpretation of one generalization, but he also made a generalization of the kids themselves as all being mentally unstable, which most of them probably weren't, at least not at first. Now that's just an interpretation and I understand that that was not the point he was trying to make, but that is an interpretation someone could make of his post, and that's what's being addressed.
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Well he's gone now because it was discovered (from some posts, IRC logs and matching hostmask) that he was actually a former member banned in 2009, hiding under a different nickname (which was appended to all his posts).
As for the other guy who kinda generalized, he apologised, although I hope he be careful in the future.
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[sarcasm]
I am more careful, you *insert racial slur or something*
[/sarcasm]
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Lol boot2490.
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Well he's gone now because it was discovered (from some posts, IRC logs and matching hostmask) that he was actually a former member banned in 2009, hiding under a different nickname (which was appended to all his posts).
As for the other guy who kinda generalized, he apologised, although I hope he be careful in the future.
Who was it?
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Yeong, use sarcasm tags when you are being sarcastic.
In case you weren't, it was me.
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I was asking about the former guy(samebull)
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Yeong, use sarcasm tags when you are being sarcastic.
In case you weren't, it was me.
sarcasm tags?
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[sarcasm]
Naw, really?
[/sarcasm]
Because there is no tone of voice on the internet, It is helpful to let people know when you are being sarcastic, else they may be offended.
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[sarcasm]
Naw, really?
[/sarcasm]
Because there is no tone of voice on the internet, It is helpful to let people know when you are being sarcastic, else they may be offended.
[sarcasm]
you are really smart
[/sarcasm]
jk you are smart ;)
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[sarcasm]
Naw, really?
[/sarcasm]
Because there is no tone of voice on the internet, It is helpful to let people know when you are being sarcastic, else they may be offended.
And that's why my posts almost always have a smilie :P lol
(I actually get quite anxious and paranoid about my posts if I don't have them really) :S
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Well he's gone now because it was discovered (from some posts, IRC logs and matching hostmask) that he was actually a former member banned in 2009, hiding under a different nickname (which was appended to all his posts).
As for the other guy who kinda generalized, he apologised, although I hope he be careful in the future.
Who was it?
JoeYoung (back in the days he used the nickname Metagross111 as well as Mtgrss111). He was the guy who was making a Celtic III Pokémon clone. However his posts were often like on his Samebull account.