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General Discussion => Other Discussions => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Hot_Dog on May 23, 2011, 10:19:08 am
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Some of you may have heard news and promotions from Camper that "Judgement Day" would be May 21st, that is, two days ago. As you can tell, it never happened.
While I know what I believe, I'm not going to promote a religion and bash another, but I will say that whatever you believe should not waiver because of this "mistake." If you believe against Christianity, this is not further evidence that the religion is false. Same if you are a Christian.
Basically, the Bible says that "NO MAN can know" when the rapture is going to occur. Whether the Bible is true or not, the fact remains that Camper thought he knew when it would happen, but he didn't. Exactly as the Bible said.
So if you believe in Christianity, you should not let this cause doubt in your mind. If you believe in another religion or are an athiest, this is not proof that Christianity is a hoax...whether or not you believe, Christianity can still be true or false.
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Thanks. Also, this was said by a sect, like there are so many in the world. I think many Christians did not believe this. I did not.
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Though Camper could have been doing it for monetary gain, some people were selling "rapture insurance", which is basically exploiting religious people, especially when it didn't happen.
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This doesn't create any doubt inside me concerning christianity's legitness, as I personally think his interpretation of the bible was a bit wack. However, it's kinda sad in a way because his prophecy was probably the only thing getting him up in the morning, and since he failed again to predict doomsday, I'm sure he's wondering why he even wants to live, and it's just a whole sad situation.
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Rapture insurance? O.O lol. How would you protect someone being taken away in less than 0.00001 seconds?
(Also, I dont believe in Rapture )
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Rapture insurance? O.O lol. How would you protect someone being taken away in less than 0.00001 seconds?
(Also, I dont believe in Rapture )
It was just some greedy idiots trying to take advantage of of innocent people.
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I find that Camper was in it only for the money and I knew the whole time that rapture wasn't going to happen yesterday. That being said I think that Camper will declare a new date for the rapture using the 84+'s random integer function ;)
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I find that Camper was in it only for the money and I knew the whole time that rapture wasn't going to happen yesterday. That being said I think that Camper will declare a new date for the rapture using the 84+'s random integer function ;)
Disp "THE RAPTURE IS"
randInt(1,12)->M
randInt(1,30)->D
randInt(2011,2099)->Y
Disp M
Disp D
Disp Y
Camper doesn't have Axe. :(
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Well said Hot_Dog. For the same reason I doubt the 2012-thing.
Ofcourse it could happen.
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I find that Camper was in it only for the money and I knew the whole time that rapture wasn't going to happen yesterday. That being said I think that Camper will declare a new date for the rapture using the 84+'s random integer function ;)
lol. Well said.
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I find that Camper was in it only for the money and I knew the whole time that rapture wasn't going to happen yesterday. That being said I think that Camper will declare a new date for the rapture using the 84+'s random integer function ;)
Disp "THE RAPTURE IS"
randInt(1,12)->M
randInt(1,30)->D
randInt(2011,2099)->Y
Disp M
Disp D
Disp Y
Camper doesn't have Axe. :(
Optimized ;)
Disp "THE RAPTURE IS",randInt(1,12),randInt(1,30),randInt(2011,2099
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I also heard about rapture pet sitting. The whole situation is pretty ridiculous. Im Christian and i didnt believe it. Im just minding my own business and suddenly the end of the world is this saturday?? No way. And it didnt happen.
(Although a huge tornado just killed nearly 100 people in a city outside of my city. Damaged a hospital and leveled a high school. Joplin, MO check it out) (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-joplin-missouri-tornado-20110524,0,3128518.story)
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I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.
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I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.
This thread was not put up so people could bash religions. You are insulting several people on this site, including me.
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I was about to say that.
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sir that was pretty insulting to christians.
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Like I said, I wasn't posting to offend anyone. I was stating my views on the matter in a relevant thread.
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Sir nevertheless it seemed like a very rude thing to say. I am atheist but I used to be christian and I find it very insulting
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Like I said, I wasn't posting to offend anyone.
I take a lot of offence at religion itself, and people never seem to find that a valid reason to be offended. Again, I'm sorry to have offended anyone, I just can't stand religion. Imagine if I were to go into a theist's house and spend an hour disproving their deity of choice. I get something similar from everyone else.
Don't read into what I say too much. Very rarely is it a personal insult, or meant to be offensive. I just say it how it is, and I don't sugar coat anything to make it less so.
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Like I said, I wasn't posting to offend anyone.
I take a lot of offence at religion itself, and people never seem to find that a valid reason to be offended. Again, I'm sorry to have offended anyone, I just can't stand religion. Imagine if I were to go into a theist's house and spend an hour disproving their deity of choice. I get something similar from everyone else.
Don't read into what I say too much. Very rarely is it a personal insult, or meant to be offensive. I just say it how it is, and I don't sugar coat anything to make it less so.
I can see where you were coming from, because it happens to me too. I mean no offense, yet it happens.
BUT, it would have been best to stay on topic. A post such as "I agree that something like this is not needed to disprove Christianity" would have been sufficient.
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For real believers it is impossible to disprove a religion. religion is impossible to disprov
I understand why you posted it and how you don't want to sugar coat it but sometimes you have to
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For real believers it is impossible to disprove a religion. religion is impossible to disprov
I understand why you posted it and how you don't want to sugar coat it but sometimes you have to
Yeah, agreed. Sometimes you have to sugar coat.
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I agree with hot_dog. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If your post got a -5 rating but not others, there's a reason, and generally such posts can lead to a ban (which, in this case would be for life, because you already got a 7+ day ban before).
Back on topic, I did not believe the judgement day thing. To me it seemed more like a hoax or an attempt to gain attention from medias, plus it seemed like a total misinterpretation of the Bible.
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I'm positive he was just trying to get money
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For me, the Bible should never be taken literally. It's just a bunch of metaphors to teach us about life. That's what, for me, Christianity (and a bunch of other religions who have similar books) is and should be. This Camping guy (not Camper), like too many people in the past, took it literally, this is what I believe is a great error.
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For me, the Bible should never be taken literally. It's just a bunch of metaphors to teach us about life. That's what, for me, Christianity (and a bunch of other religions who have similar books) is and should be. This Camping guy (not Camper), like too many people in the past, took it literally, this is what I believe is a great error.
That's interesting. In my opinion, on the other hand, I think he didn't take it literally enough.
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Well, the thing is that also he might have misinterpreted some things. It's like terrorists with the Kuran: In no way the Kuran itself encourages to kill people.
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For me, he just added a bunch of random numbers he found in the Bible and said it was legit. Which is kinda stupid.
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Yeah true, and if it could work, maybe he did math errors too, because he did the same thing with 1994 apparently.
At 6-8 PM at work I pretty much forgot it was apparently supposed to happen, then later I was like "hey wasn't the world supposed to end or something earlier lol?"
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Yeah, from what I heard, apparently he subtracted something instead of adding it, I wonder what he'll say this time.
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Yeah, from what I heard, apparently he subtracted something instead of adding it, I wonder what he'll say this time.
He's supposed to make a speech tonight. But he was pretty flabbergasted and humiliated
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I still love you Sir :)
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Same here but he gotta be careful because he already got banned 1 week a while ago once, and usually the next ban afterward the forum account is deleted too (Not to mention normally a 1 week ban gets you demoted if you were staff, which hasn't happened to Sir). He needs to be more careful about what he says here because if it got too far bad things could happen. After all I think it's obvious that saying things like on the previous page could potentially start a fight.
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I completely agree but i also understand that hes having difficulties with his parents which im sure piss him off, and i can relate. My parents are extremely restrictive of my access to electronics and i get grounded if i confront them about it. I tend to be blunt and offensive about things too sometimes.
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Foremost, a short retort to Sircmpwn:
Religion is a necessary aspect of life. For some people, life can be overwhelming with feelings of helplessness, despair, and meaninglessness. "Why do we bother living if we're just going to die? Why be good if everybody else is bad? What can I ever do to fix things as I am only one person?" Things such as these can easily plague the minds of a person without a strong conviction. The concept of God exists to ease these troubled minds. By giving a sense of overarching justice, a spirit that answers your prayers, and a paradise of eternity for those who truly did good in their lives, many humans are now able to motivate themselves to exist and to be upstanding citizens.
Unfortunately, as with anything, over time religion itself has become corrupted. Original meaning is diluted, words are twisted, and radical individuals are born who will come to reinterpret simple metaphors and morals into sick and wrong variants. Some even become so complacent in their religion that everything backfires and they become either lazy or misguided.
So, really, the point I'm trying to make is that religion is a necessary component for people because they're only human. While some people can thrive without a concept of God, not everyone can. So, in my opinion, it's not right to knock religion or attempt to disprove it because in doing so, you would render so many people's lives meaningless. Similarly, Theists shouldn't knock Atheism or attempt to prove God because Atheists don't need God to exist. Whether or not God actually exists is irrelevant. All that matters is the mindset of the individual. It's one thing to share our thoughts, it's another entirely to cram our beliefs down others' throats and attempt to convert them or disparage them.
Theists and Atheists are entirely different species, metaphorically speaking. Perhaps neither will understand the other. So, it's best if we just learn to accept people for how they think so long as they aren't hurting people as part of their ways. It's never right to allow someone to hurt others. But, outside of the scope of violent radicalism, I think my dogmas have some validity to them.
Anyway, moving on, I don't believe the Rapture will ever occur. In my own belief, Genesis wasn't about paradise, it was about choice. Would Humanity remain in Eden and complacently allow God to directly interfere and define them, making them a static and non-developing race; or would Humanity leave Eden and fend for themselves, allowing themselves the ability to grow and evolve while simultaneously risking their own existence? Humanity chose the latter. While God still watches over us and still helps us indirectly (or perhaps directly in certain exclusive circumstances as well), our decision means God won't directly interfere in an extreme manner, aka no Rapture or End of World.
To put it in metaphor, the relationship between us and God as it stands now is akin to the relationship between a parent and post-adolescent child. While the parent still helps out occasionally, the child is free to live on his/her own and make his/her own decisions.
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I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.
We have a religions thread for that, I set it up here (http://ourl.ca/9873). Feel free to express your offensive ideals there.
And on a side not, very well said Tsukasa, I agree with all of what you said, from both a theist and neutral standpoint.
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I completely agree but i also understand that hes having difficulties with his parents which im sure piss him off, and i can relate. My parents are extremely restrictive of my access to electronics and i get grounded if i confront them about it. I tend to be blunt and offensive about things too sometimes.
Yeah true. I just have to remind him to be careful. The reason why he doesn't get banned is because I am confident he is not doing it purposely to attack people views. The problem is just if it went too far or if he stopped being careful, then it wouldn't be good either for the forums as other people would see Omni as encouraging offensive comments.
I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.
We have a religions thread for that, I set it up here (http://ourl.ca/9873). Feel free to express your offensive ideals there.
And on a side not, very well said Tsukasa, I agree with all of what you said, from both a theist and neutral standpoint.
No, let's not be offensive there either. Notice how every previous religion topic that went out of hand got locked.
<link to long post: http://ourl.ca/11159/211871 >
Actually, there are people who are atheist, but they will still have some similar views as some catholic people. I do not believe you have to believe in a god to live, but in the end, you have to believe in something, even if just a goal you have in life, so you don't question yourself about the purpose of your life.
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even though I'm Christian, this:
I do not believe you have to believe in a god to live, but in the end, you have to believe in something, even if just a goal you have in life, so you don't question yourself about the purpose of your life.
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I just have to say: I'm happy with people who try to stand in the middle here and try to keep things peaceful, atheist or theist (is it called like that?), if you're nt flaming but say that everyone should be respectful to the others, then I really respect you.
(bwaagh I'm bad at compliments... that is really not nice.)
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I was afraid this would happen.
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I would call the statements Camper made many different things, but I wouldn't refer to them as a mistake. Quite honestly I don't think any reasonable person (atheist, christian, muslim, hindu, or otherwise) would allow the beliefs of this group to affect their opinion of christianity as a whole.
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well, I am atheist, so opinion did not change nor intensify. It was just funny seeing people act so ridiculous over camper and his prediction, he WAS wrong before.. hehe :D (idk if this makes me a bad person or something, but it was just too funny)
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It was rather funny watching people get so excited over it.
That was wonderfully said Tsukasa. I admire you for being able to say things like that
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Someone probably already said this, but Camper is just one man. He doesn't represent his denomination/sect, Christianity, or religion as a whole, and as such, his failures are his, not of religion at large. Sure, he made a(nother) bogus prediction, and if you want to kick metaphorical puppies, go ahead. Otherwise, realize that not all things that can be categorized with him are as he seems to represent them, so don't make such a big deal about it. Just because he's wrong doesn't mean religion is. (And I shouldn't have to say this, but that doesn't mean religion is right either. Religion, complicated topic that it is, can be rather difficult to discuss.)
For good measure, I do (as far as I can tell) agree with TsukasaZX's post.
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I don't need the rapture failure to disprove Christianity. It's just absurd as it is, IMO. I mean no offense to religious people, but it just blows my mind that so many people accept this crap as the highest form of truth there is.
If I may add in a word, insanity is not dependent on religion. Usually, people are crazy first, then they try to use religion to back up their insanity. In other words, religion does not make you insane. For example, a couple of years ago a group of the most stupidest atheists thought aliens were hiding behind a comet planning to destroy Earth. So they created their own UFO religion called Heaven's Gate to justify their insanity. To escape being being killed by aliens, they decided to all commit suicide. :o
Religion is often used as a scapegoat, because it's almost impossible to disprove many of what it claims because of our lack of ability to perceive anything beyond the Universe. There is no mathematical proof that denies or proves the existence of God (well, unless you use apply Gödel's incompleteness theorem on the Universe by using mathematical induction, in which case it suggests that the Universe is running within a Turing complete computer with perhaps God as the programmer? But then again, that's assuming that the Universe is a complete consistent system governed by rules that extend Peano arithmetic) However, religion is not the only scapegoat. Any man can use anything to justify ones insanity, "I'm out of money, I guess I have to rob someone" or "Oh, we're running out of oil, let's invade another country" or "Capitalism sucks, let's nuke them". Hopefully, this does convince you that you don't need religion to be insane.
Also, statistically, most Christians did not believe that judgement day was going to happen on May 21. Should the minority speak for the whole? If so, then if one atheist said aliens were going to destroy the world tomorrow, are all atheists insane (by logical induction)?
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
On a lighter note, taking the Bible literally to the ultra extreme discrete mathematical logic hardcore, if one were to predict the world would end tomorrow before going to bed at night, you would be preventing Judgement Day from happening, because if it were to end tomorrow then the prediction would become a true statement and thus make the Bible false by contraposition. I've been doing this every single day for the past 3 years. You're welcome. ;)
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@Tsukasa: Awesome post. I agree with nearly everything there (especially the first several paragraphs)
For me, the issue really isn't whether this proves or disproves religion, or that Camper is clearly crazy, but instead, the damage he caused to those foolish enough to believe him.
I keep hearing stories in the news about families who sold all their life savings, quit college, and otherwise refused to prepare for a life after May 21st. Normally, I wouldn't care what people do with their lives, but a lot of them have children and babies that have no choice in the matter.
I worry for them, and that there are people who are gullible enough to ignore their sense of self-preservation based on the word of somebody on radio and a few numbers pulled from the Bible.