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Title: What time signature is that song?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 15, 2012, 10:24:29 pm
I wonder what time signature would be that song? I thought of 4/3, 8/6 or something, but I couldn't find any proper example of those ???

Here's the file attached below. The time signature is exactly the same as most Italobrothers songs. I made two other songs with the same time signature before (Scream and STHUMSOB)

It's basically like eurodance, but between each kickdrums there can be 3 notes instead of 4 and the hi-hat is on the 3rd note (right before the beat).
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ZippyDee on March 16, 2012, 12:12:07 am
The time signature is still 4/4, just with eighth-note-triplet subdivisions. The kickdrum hits on every count, and the hi-hat is on the third triplet partial of each count. The triplet subdivisons are so fast that you would't ever really consider them to be full beats.

Edit: I guess you could *technically* think of it as 12/8 if you really wanted to, but 12/8 is almost always used as a simpler way to just write triplet-pulsed 4/4 without having to place triplet brackets over every triplet set. Instead of seeing a triplet subdivision over counts that should be triplet pulsed you'd see a duplet subdivision over counts that should be duplet pulsed (like regular 8th notes in 4/4 time).
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2012, 12:25:46 am
Yeah, seems 4/4 with tons of triplets. Nice style you gave to Magic Hardcore though.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 16, 2012, 02:24:30 am
I wonder what time signature would be that song? I thought of 4/3, 8/6 or something, but I couldn't find any proper example of those ???

Here's the file attached below. The time signature is exactly the same as most Italobrothers songs. I made two other songs with the same time signature before (Scream and STHUMSOB)

It's basically like eurodance, but between each kickdrums there can be 3 notes instead of 4 and the hi-hat is on the 3rd note (right before the beat).

It sounds like 2/2 or 2/4, not quite 4/4 but similar as the accented beats happen often, and it's not really in triplets or anything.
And I like this variation on Magic Hardcore ;) Keep going.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ZippyDee on March 16, 2012, 02:36:29 am
I wonder what time signature would be that song? I thought of 4/3, 8/6 or something, but I couldn't find any proper example of those ???

Here's the file attached below. The time signature is exactly the same as most Italobrothers songs. I made two other songs with the same time signature before (Scream and STHUMSOB)

It's basically like eurodance, but between each kickdrums there can be 3 notes instead of 4 and the hi-hat is on the 3rd note (right before the beat).

It sounds like 2/2 or 2/4, not quite 4/4 but similar as the accented beats happen often, and it's not really in triplets or anything.
And I like this variation on Magic Hardcore ;) Keep going.
No, it's definitely 4/4. The musical phrases are such that 4/4 would make the most sense. Honestly, it's just 4/4 with a triplet pulse. Nothing crazy here...

The kick drum isn't in triplets, the triplet is on the quarter notes. The hi-hat is the one that's on the third triplet partial of each quarter note.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 17, 2012, 01:54:47 am
Ok thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if it mattered or not, since it sounds quite different in general.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ccadem on March 17, 2012, 07:30:31 pm
While you can make a case for 4/4, the triplets do suggest 12/8. Another thing that can identify 12/8 is what sounds closer to eighth notes being swung. Because it isn't swing, I would definitely have to say 12/8. It's easier for the sake of actually writing, as opposed to writing out all of those notes with triplet signs above them.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ZippyDee on March 17, 2012, 07:46:03 pm
That's what I was saying before, however 12/8 is a time signature that is, as you said, used for the sake of writing the music down. 12/8 is functionally 4/4 with a triplet pulse instead of a duplet pulse, so the time signature would most easily be explained as 4/4.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 26, 2012, 08:26:57 am
/me still thinks 2/4 cannot be completely ruled out and is perfectly legit :P
The beat is definitely faster than in some other songs.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 14, 2012, 12:03:56 pm
Has there been any progress on this song btw? Or has it been merged into another topic with a different name?
I still think that 2/4 fits the time signature more than just simple 4/4 due to its rapid strong beat :D
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Yeong on April 14, 2012, 07:22:55 pm
speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 14, 2012, 07:36:56 pm
@Jonius7 not lately unfortunately.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: leafy on April 14, 2012, 03:35:54 pm
speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?

It's mostly a stylistic thing. Generally, we count 3/4 with 3 beats (each beat a quarter note) and we count 6/8 with 2 beats (each beat 3 8th notes).
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Post by: Yeong on April 14, 2012, 03:43:36 pm
ah. Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 14, 2012, 08:41:43 pm
speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?

It's mostly a stylistic thing. Generally, we count 3/4 with 3 beats (each beat a quarter note) and we count 6/8 with 2 beats (each beat 3 8th notes).

Yeah, 3/4 contains 3 crotchet (1/4) beats, while 6/8 contains 2 dotted crotchet beats or 6 quaver (1/8) pulses

The style of pieces written in 3/4 and 6/8 are usually different.
Eg: 3/4 usually contains crotchets and quavers usually in duplets
but 6/8 usually contains dotted crotchets, crotchets and quavers but quavers can be in tuplets.

I wonder how they say dotted crotchet in american naming? Dotted quarter note?
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ccadem on May 06, 2012, 12:50:52 am
speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?

It also depends on how fast the song is. If it's a fast 6/8, then it is counted in two beats. If it's a slow 6/8, then you do count it to six.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on May 06, 2012, 12:56:02 am
speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?

It also depends on how fast the song is. If it's a fast 6/8, then it is counted in two beats. If it's a slow 6/8, then you do count it to six.
Though of course counting to 6 is done quickly and in "pulses" rather than two beats which are more strongly felt.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ccadem on May 06, 2012, 07:26:20 pm
It's still counted in six though. If there were a conductor, or you were tapping your foot, it'd still be six times a measure, which is why it's so dependent on speed.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ZippyDee on May 06, 2012, 08:51:44 pm
I wonder how they say dotted crotchet in american naming? Dotted quarter note?
Yes. Whole, half, quarter, eighth, sixteenth. You'd just say "dotted quarter" or "dotted eighth" for any dotted notes.

speaking of time signature, I have a question. What's the difference between 3/4 and 6/8?

It also depends on how fast the song is. If it's a fast 6/8, then it is counted in two beats. If it's a slow 6/8, then you do count it to six.

No, not really. Even a slow 6/8 is often counted "one-two-three, two-two-three." Meaning it is counted as simply two triplet-pulsed counts.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: willrandship on May 06, 2012, 08:58:38 pm
I've honestly always counted 6/8 in my head as two sets of 3s, but with some songs it's easier to consider in sets of 2 per measure because of their rhythms.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 06, 2012, 09:23:47 pm
I wonder what time signature is this? O.O

Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Juju on May 06, 2012, 09:24:31 pm
9000/4?
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: ZippyDee on May 06, 2012, 10:26:29 pm
4/4...
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 06, 2012, 10:28:00 pm
Ok I wasn't too sure if it was always 4/4 or even something like 1/1 during the entire song since some parts don't seem to have much of a pattern :P
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 14, 2012, 05:41:42 am
Well I now know this song is The Last Hurrah of Omnidance.
Sounds very 2/4 Time signature to me.
Title: Re: What time signature is that song?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 16, 2012, 07:33:18 am
I wonder what time signature is this? O.O


Just to clarify...

1000BPM to Rule them All is definitely 4/4 (be a bit awkward for 2/2 in this case I think). You can tell, even with all the spam notes, pay attention to the background bass notes, it's usually loudest every 4 beats (i.e. the first beat of each bar).
At the beginning you have something like this:

BOOM Boom Boom Boo-Boom
TA Ta Ta ti-ti (3 crotchets followed by quaver duplet)

And later on there's just BOOM Boom Boom Boom

So 4/4 there. Even at a seemingly 1000BPM.