Omnimaga
General Discussion => Technology and Development => Other => Topic started by: Netham45 on April 06, 2011, 02:57:42 am
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http://www.anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=787
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/04/04/anonymous-hackers-bring-down-sony-websites/
Dun dun dunnnn
TL;DR: Sony abused the legal system, prosecuting numerous people, Anonymous responds with DDoSing
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I even kind of think it is fair, it was so nonsense of them to sue everyone who was part of this.
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And Anonymous wins again. Ten dollars says that Sony tries the courts against Anonymous too, something that they'll inevitably fail at.
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My personal opinion is that it is fair. Sony abused the legal system for their own corporate greed, and committed quite a few viscous violations of privacy, globally.
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Frankly, I'm tempted to visit both of their sites now, although I don't even own a PS3. Let them have my IP address. It changes daily (literally).
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Haha nice. Yeah Sony went very overboard, contrary to what that one person in #omnimaga (who left a while ago) claimed.
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Frankly, I'm tempted to visit both of their sites now, although I don't even own a PS3. Let them have my IP address. It changes daily (literally).
You visiting it wouldn't affect much, if you wanted to contribute you'd need to run some programs to do it with, which we'd be better off not going into detail about here.
That being said, it -IS- illegal to do such things, regardless of how justified, so keep that in mind.
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Yeah true. You gotta be careful if you do that. Also you need to be MANY people to do it, especially such large servers.
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is Ddosing illegal?
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I think anonymous works well as a sort of internet justice system. It keeps the people in check that nobody else will.
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Lol some of my friends participated from my school :P
Yep, they ran LOIC on one of the school's computers lol.
Also, note that breaking the PS3 is comparable to breaking the iPhone, but Apple didn't cared, unlike Sony.
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I think anonymous works well as a sort of internet justice system. It keeps the people in check that nobody else will.
That said, they're not always fine, though. I'm glad they often act as an Internet justice system, although it's not as fun when someone sends them on your site to spam the shit out of it (like what happened to Omnimaga on Feb 11th and 12th 2008 and #omnimaga on Feb 11th 2008).
Lol some of my friends participated from my school :P
Yep, they ran LOIC on one of the school's computers lol.
Also, note that breaking the PS3 is comparable to breaking the iPhone, but Apple didn't cared, unlike Sony.
Doesn't Apple keep updating the iPhone to block jailbreaks, though?
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interesting, guess that's what sony gets x.x
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Lol some of my friends participated from my school :P
Yep, they ran LOIC on one of the school's computers lol.
Also, note that breaking the PS3 is comparable to breaking the iPhone, but Apple didn't cared, unlike Sony.
Doesn't Apple keep updating the iPhone to block jailbreaks, though?
Well, yes, they fix their OS for jailbreaks each time an OS is released. But I just found jailbreaking cellphones such as the iPhone is excluded from the DCMA, so Apple can't do anything.
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Frankly, I'm tempted to visit both of their sites now, although I don't even own a PS3. Let them have my IP address. It changes daily (literally).
You visiting it wouldn't affect much, if you wanted to contribute you'd need to run some programs to do it with, which we'd be better off not going into detail about here.
That being said, it -IS- illegal to do such things, regardless of how justified, so keep that in mind.
I know, but the whole point of Anonymous (and American voting in general) is that every individual is insignificant and only the sum total is important.
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Yeah, that's why Anonymous is successful, it's a large sum of people together.
And that's how democracy is supposed to work too. So if everyone hates the DCMA, since the government is supposed to represent the people, they should abolish it, right?
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It's a pity America is a representational republic and thus the public is essentially politically irrelevant.
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I don't think true democracy exists anywhere really, politic-wise. Even in Canada government will do things even if the population is all against it.
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Democracy and Law often disagree with each other. There are problems with Democracy itself, too, as the will of the people isn't always the best choice. Direct Democracy only works i people are fully aware of the situations they are voting on, and are non-biased towards each other's welfare. In other words, pure democracy can't work, because people are corrupt.
Most "democratic" countries, including the US, are actually Republics, which are different in their function. People elect officials who are supposed to be fully aware of the situation. The only problem is that the officials people elect are all idiots. Otherwise it would work a little better :P
I disagree with Sony's actions BTW. :)
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I agree that Sony took it too far. They are trying to set an example of what can happen if you hack their console. I also dont agree with the court system allowing for all this information to be handed over to Sony, over what seems to be rather vague arguments for doing so.
However as of late the Anonymous kiddies are getting to serious. They were asking for the kids names/information and addresses to Sony executives. The mentality that its ok to go after someone's kids is sick. Anonymous defending the people started out as a noble cause, now they seem to be taking stuff to far. A lack of maturity is evident and it's sad. I'm glad to see some of the older Anonymous people speaking up and going public with their distaste for recent acts.
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Democracy and Law often disagree with each other. There are problems with Democracy itself, too, as the will of the people isn't always the best choice. Direct Democracy only works i people are fully aware of the situations they are voting on, and are non-biased towards each other's welfare. In other words, pure democracy can't work, because people are corrupt.
Most "democratic" countries, including the US, are actually Republics, which are different in their function. People elect officials who are supposed to be fully aware of the situation. The only problem is that the officials people elect are all idiots. Otherwise it would work a little better :P
I disagree with Sony's actions BTW. :)
Nicely said. Our founders actually didn't like direct democracies at all.
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Go anon <3
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There's an XKCD for that....http://xkcd.com/834/ (http://xkcd.com/834/) :P
But yeah. No one is perfect, and Sony does have some motivations. If they really want to make peace, they could bring back OtherOS. Not kidding. And get rid of the HyperVisor sucking away SPU cores.
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There's an XKCD for that....http://xkcd.com/834/ (http://xkcd.com/834/) :P
But yeah. No one is perfect, and Sony does have some motivations. If they really want to make peace, they could bring back OtherOS. Not kidding. And get rid of the HyperVisor sucking away SPU cores.
Lol I remember that one.
I think that what Sony is doing is sickening. For one, the ability to run 3rd party software like that actually helps (NSpire-ndless anyone?) And two, it just goes against the "pioneering" spirit that shouldn't be blocked especially when it comes to computers and the like. It's people who figure out how to hack these things and learn how they work are the ones who will define and advance the future of computers.
They're hurting everyone by doing this.
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The Other-OS feature actually worked well. It got rid of the initiative of homebrew lovers to hack it, leaving only the Backup-running portion, which tends to climb all over other people's work, and it is also more frowned upon, since they don't have a legal reason anymore.
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I agree that Sony took it too far. They are trying to set an example of what can happen if you hack their console. I also dont agree with the court system allowing for all this information to be handed over to Sony, over what seems to be rather vague arguments for doing so.
However as of late the Anonymous kiddies are getting to serious. They were asking for the kids names/information and addresses to Sony executives. The mentality that its ok to go after someone's kids is sick. Anonymous defending the people started out as a noble cause, now they seem to be taking stuff to far. A lack of maturity is evident and it's sad. I'm glad to see some of the older Anonymous people speaking up and going public with their distaste for recent acts.
Yeah true. The issue with them is that they often go to the extent of ruining people lives when taking actions. If you react non-stop to one of their troll, for example, or do something they hate, you're pretty much screwed. They can get your home address, phone number and all.
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It kind of strikes me as odd that sony didn't do this when brandonw released the ps3 jailbreaking thing...they probably didn't think a graphing calculator was anything to worry about XD
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It kind of strikes me as odd that sony didn't do this when brandonw released the ps3 jailbreaking thing...they probably didn't think a graphing calculator was anything to worry about XD
Because GeoHot made the jailbreak that BrandonW used, and GeoHot is far more visible. Taking GeoHot down hurts the PS3 jailbreak community more.
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Didn't BrandonW site get DDoS'ed, though? It might have just been a script kidding being upset that BrandonW didn't answer his question already answered in the readme, though.
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Wait what was it that sony did that was so bad though? ???
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heh, gg anon, I think sony deserved this up the a$$
btw, if sony tries to sue anon, then I think they are completely COMPLETELY screwed and shall fail
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Juju you said that Apple doesn't care and that the iPhone/iTouch/iPad are excluded from the DMCA. It's true, but apple did care, and it's only because apple actually tried to sue GeoHot for jailbreaking that they are excluded :P
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Well, my error, I thought they didn't and that it was them who said they were excluded, until I did some research.
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Well, my error, I thought they didn't and that it was them who said they were excluded, until I did some research.
np honest mistake :)
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Ugh, denial of service attacks are their response to everything. It's pretty uncreative at this point. But yes, Sony did deserve it.
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Well, they're easy, and still fairly effective, considering what it takes to make one when you have a horde of followers to help out. Sure, other ways would be nice, but they become more difficult, and more specialized.
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We can twist the law too! http://bash.org/?577451 (http://bash.org/?577451) :P
<DmncAtrny> I will write on a huge cement block "BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH YOUR WINDOW, YOU ACCEPT IT AS IS AND AGREE TO MY DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS WELL AS DISCLAIMERS OF ALL LIABILITY, DIRECT, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL, THAT MAY ARISE FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BRICK INTO YOUR BUILDING."
<DmncAtrny> And then hurl it through the window of a Sony officer
<DmncAtrny> and run like hell
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Lol, reminds me of installing stuff in windows :P and buying 500-pound lift kites
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They finally did something. Been waiting for this for months.
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Watch Xbox sales go up after this...
I think microsoft has gotten it right, allowing people to write their own programs and distribute them on live marketplace. Everyone is happy there, so no one has bothered to jailbreak the 360.
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The thing about jailbreaking iPhones is that, as long as you actually pay somebody for your network usage, you're in the clear. With the PS3, though, I don't know.
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The issue with the 360 though is that you must pay to develop apps for it.
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The issue with the 360 though is that you must pay to develop apps for it.
Well, the 360 has been "jailbroken", but for XNA you do need to pay a fee. (XNA sucks. No access to hardware.)