Omnimaga
General Discussion => Technology and Development => Other => Topic started by: Waave on June 04, 2011, 08:36:55 pm
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Hello!
I currently use Google Chrome. My dad uses Internet Explorer, since it was preloaded onto our computer and it's the norm. I've tried to explain to him why Chrome is better, but he wants proof! I have looked for articles, reviews, any credible sources that rate/rank security abilities of big name browsers, but haven't found much.
Anyways, he is telling me to remove Chrome and go back to IE because he believes that having an extra browser installed will either 'take up too much space', 'make the computer slower', or 'give us a virus'.
So, how can I show that Chrome has better security? It is easy to show it is faster, but his main concern is whether or not we will get a virus since our computer is about six years old and he doesn't want to buy a new one. If anyone knows any well known tech websites that have published anything on this topic, then I would really like to see it!
Thanks in advance for the help!
Note: If I can't persuade him on Chrome, I would be willing to settle on Firefox and get him with the open-source argument, which he doesn't quite understand yet (can't the bad guys see every vulnerability? :banghead: ). If you have any good articles about the advantages of open-source, those would help too!
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you might want to change this title it seems rather argumentative taken out of context.
DO you want articles on bugs, security, speed or what?
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Just anything security related, my dad is mainly concerned with security against viruses and that the browser doesn't ruin our computer.
EDIT: Title changed.
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Note: with some computer-illiterate parents who were brainwashed by medias into thinking the Internet is dangerous and everything's a virus, this might be a lost fight in advance. A lot of adults are extremly stubborn when it comes to that stuff.
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Yeah my entire family is convinced IE is the best browser in existence :'(
I'll see if I can find any trustworthy articles
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My dad's pretty rational, I'm sure that if I gave him some background and some good reasons he'd switch to a different browser. I think his mentality is that 'if it was preloaded, it's good'. Which is not at all true considering that our Dell Dimension E510 came packed full with junkware, none of which still works.
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Show him the Chrome videos, especially with the potato gun. Show him that IE is very very buggy.
Show him that IE has sooo many security flaws, and that if he doesn't stop using it he WILL get a virus. :P
If you need something to prove your point, the classic example: http://www.crashie.com/
Run it a thousand times as needed to do so... :P
Good luck! :)
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Browser statistics (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp)
here's some statistics showing how many people use ie, chrome, firefox, opera and safari. you could use the bandwagon approach ("more people use chrome than IE, how can they be wrong?")
also, it depends upon what version of IE you have. if you have IE9, that's not a bad thing. (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/compare-browsers?T1=tab2)
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Well actually according to those statistics you should switch to Firefox(which I love)
Preloaded stuff on a commercial comp is usually not the best
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It depends. The preloaded calculator that came on my Windows 7 comp is excellent :P
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My motives behind this persuasion are somewhat biased :P
I like Chrome the most because of its lightweight nature and fast browsing speeds. I know Firefox is better in many regards, so much so that my dad would probably do a "you're right, Chrome is used more than IE... wait, what's Firefox? Tell me more about it!", then make me use that instead!
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My motives behind this persuasion are somewhat biased :P
I like Chrome the most because of its lightweight nature and fast browsing speeds. I know Firefox is better in many regards, so much so that my dad would probably do a "you're right, Chrome is used more than IE... wait, what's Firefox? Tell me more about it!", then make me use that instead!
Firefox is better if your developing because of the plug-ins imo
If you want chrome don't show him the statistics. Nothing wring with showing him only biased evidence ;)
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Anti-IE:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/228917/dangers_of_ie_cookiejacking_what_you_need_to_know.html
Whatever you do, don't show him this (http://www.nsslabs.com/assets/noreg-reports/NSS%20Labs_Q32010_Browser-SEM.pdf). IE8/IE9 browsers are the best *out of the box* for security. Other browsers are better once they've been customized with things such as noscript, which can bump that malware block rate to 100% for Firefox and Chrome.
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This is all very helpful :) I will have to try the crash IE once I switch usernames and check out memory usage.
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My motives behind this persuasion are somewhat biased :P
I like Chrome the most because of its lightweight nature and fast browsing speeds. I know Firefox is better in many regards, so much so that my dad would probably do a "you're right, Chrome is used more than IE... wait, what's Firefox? Tell me more about it!", then make me use that instead!
Firefox is better if your developing because of the plug-ins imo
If you want chrome don't show him the statistics. Nothing wring with showing him only biased evidence ;)
Actually if you want developer tools IE really has the best ones out there. I don't really use them since my stuff usually works the first time but IE's developer tools kick the pants off of Firefox's and Chrome's firebug and web developer plugins.
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It does, but wouldn't it be a IE only development while you can develop in chrome, FF, opera for most browsers(except IE)
EDIT:ow could i set this up to prove to some friends how bad IE is? http://www.pcworld.com/article/228917/dangers_of_ie_cookiejacking_what_you_need_to_know.html I would just need a tree related theme
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I actually had the same argument with my parents and won out of sheer persistence, along with, "All my friends have Firefox or Chrome." :-\
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I actually had the same argument with my parents and won out of sheer persistence, along with, "All my friends have Firefox or Chrome." :-\
I won byt he fact i have my own desktop :) they can use IE 8 on their 7 desktop all they want
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Tell them to run browsers through this: http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/index.php
It tests browsers based on a bunch of known exploits and lets you know how secure it is :)
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Tell them to run browsers through this: http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/index.php
It tests browsers based on a bunch of known exploits and lets you know how secure it is :)
my FF4 didn't crash when i told it to run all tests :)
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My outdated Chrome did allow an exploit in that test, but only after it gave me the option to allow or deny. That's good enough for me and I know my up to date FF would pass.
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yeah but FF does crash sometimes so I wonder what that test doesn't try
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This is actually pretty awesome: Google is so sure of Chrome's stability that they're offering twenty thousand dollars and a Google notebook (http://techland.time.com/2011/02/03/want-to-make-an-easy-20k-crack-google-chrome/) to anyone who can successfully hack Google Chrome.
And there's the annual Pwn2Own (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn2Own) competition sponsored by CanSecWest. It's basically a proving ground for browsers and other web software, a contest to see how well they can stand up to the best hackers in the world. The results? In 2009, Safari, Internet Explorer, and Firefox failed on the first day (http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2009/03/18/pwn2own-2009-day-1---safari-internet-explorer-and-firefox-taken-down-by-four-zero-day-exploits) (Safari twice). In 2010, each of them and iOS 3 all fell (http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/03/ie8-safari4-firefox3-iphone-fall-on-day-1-of-pwn2own.ars), and again on the very first day, leaving Chrome the last browser standing (http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/03/25/pwn2own-2010-google-chrome-is-the-last-man-standing/). And it happened yet again in 2011: IE and Safari were hacked in the first day, the BlackBerry browser in the second. This time both Mozilla Firefox and Chrome survived (http://techland.time.com/2011/03/14/pwn2own-roundup-apple-fails-google-stays-strong/) -- the third time in a row for Chrome, or every single year they've participated.
And nobody's managed to claim that $20,000 yet.