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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Other => Topic started by: Snake X on March 24, 2011, 07:32:29 pm

Title: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Snake X on March 24, 2011, 07:32:29 pm
Nvidia has just released their GTX590 a few days ago from what I can tell, and there are 4 EVGA packages consisting of different card combinations. You can go from the single air cooled solution starting at ~$750 all the way to the unnecessary water-cooled dual graphics bundle for ~$1,800 USD. Note: the GTX590 has 2 GTX 580 GPU'S! Here's the catch: both GF 100 GPU's are downclocked a little, but the mere fact that there are 2 of them more than makes up for their performance loss. Here are EVGA's 4 GPU solutions below. As you can see from the source pages, all of them include a T-Shirt and a custom mouse pad! :o
Note: these are actually from EVGA's CLASSIFIED series of cards, which feature from what I can tell nicer packaging, and maybe other things that I'm not currently aware of.

Edit: I just wanted to clarify, that if you put 2 of these cards in SLI mode, this is actually quad SLI because each card has 2 GPU's so 2 + 2 = 4

The specs are actually the same throughout the cards as far as speeds/cores/etc. goes, but the dual combo packs actually do not feature the mini-display port.

Specs:

- Part Number: [this varies]

- Core Clock Speed: 630MHz

- CUDA Cores: 1024

- Memory Clock Speed: 3456MHz

- Memory Bandwidth: 331.7GB/sec

- Shader Clock Speed: 1260MHz

- Bus: PCI-E 2.0

- Interface: DVI-I, DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-DisplayPort (Again, only DVI-I, DVI-I, DVI-I for the dual card solution)

- Product Warranty: Limited Lifetime warranty upon registration

- Product Length: 11in - 279.4mm

Here is the single air GPU solution EVGA has to show priced at $729.99 MSRP:

(http://www.evga.com/products/images/gallery/03G-P3-1598-AR_MD_1.jpg)

Here is the Dual air (already dual GPU'd) graphics card solution priced at $1,429.99 MSRP:

(http://www.evga.com/products/images/gallery/03G-P3-1598-A2_MD_1.jpg)

Here is the single water cooled graphics card priced at $879.99 MSRP:

(http://www.evga.com/products/images/gallery/03G-P3-1599-AR_MD_1.jpg)

Here is the Dual water cooled solution priced at $1,729.99 MSRP:

(http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/03G-P3-1599-A2_MD_1.jpg)

I don't think you can go to best buy and pick up one of these locally, sorry ;).

Sources:
http://www.evga.com/articles/00621/
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=03G-P3-1598-AR
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=03G-P3-1598-A2
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=03G-P3-1599-AR
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=03G-P3-1599-A2
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Ashbad on March 24, 2011, 07:34:49 pm
O.O
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 24, 2011, 07:42:43 pm
Wow, I wonder what kind of power supply and the like does that require?

Also I know about the lack of video card choices at retail stores. Over here the most powerful cards are generally 256 MB video memory. X.x
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 24, 2011, 08:07:57 pm
O.O!
IMO, teh 6990 is still a better buy, because it has a greater power efficiency, and if you're using opencl, you have like 5 teraflops versus about 3 for the 590.
A couple months ago I was at best buy, and the most powerful card there was a GTX 460, but it was $75 overpriced compared to online. They also had some 5750s and the like for about $130 (Also way overpriced).
Me, I'm never gonna have a top of the line product, just too pricey for me. (Unless you count the RIVA 128 in my 13year old and counting computer - back then it was the best ;) )
Also, neat coincidence it came out on my birthday :P
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: GB on March 24, 2011, 08:30:01 pm
I'll stick with my trusty old Windows 2000 box. I've got no need for new video cards.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 24, 2011, 08:36:57 pm
I need to get a copy of windows 2K - XP is just too much for my older computers.
Also, I am building a computer for my birthday now, but a GTX 590 would be my whole budget down the drain :P I'll probably get a GTX 460 768mb - they're a real steal right now at $150./me hopes someone will get him a GTX 590 for his birthday

EDIT:/me also wishes someone would get him a power supply big enough for that card :P
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 24, 2011, 08:57:17 pm
Personally I'M fine now. Sure, SCII would look cooler at ultra shading settings, but it still looks awesome at medium shading with everything else maxed out. Plus sometimes I still play Starcraft Brood War anyway.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: mikehill2003 on March 24, 2011, 09:03:25 pm
Holy Cow! I bet that card would kill my PSU. Not like I need one anyway. I still have an Intel GMA900.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Freyaday on March 25, 2011, 02:00:00 am
How this came to be:
One day, at Nvidia, two engineers are racking their brains, trying to figure out the missing ingredient, when one of them has a breakthrough.
"Dude, I know what this thing needs!"
"What?" asks the other engineer.
"More overkill!"
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: AngelFish on March 25, 2011, 02:07:34 am
This just begs the question: How the **** is any single person using enough processing power on graphics to need two of those water cooled beasts? You could buy like a thousand TI-81's for that price and everyone knows that TI-81 processors power the NSA's cryptographic supercomputers.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Freyaday on March 25, 2011, 02:26:35 am
It's not about need, man, it's about want.
Not kidding. At all.
The only people who really need that much power are those in the rendering industry, like Pixar. It doesn't matter for games, because no sane coder is going to write something that needs that much power because that would prevent it from being used by anything/one else.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: mikehill2003 on March 25, 2011, 02:29:17 am
It's not about need, man, it's about want.
Not kidding. At all.
The only people who really need that much power are those in the rendering industry, like Pixar. It doesn't matter for games, because no sane coder is going to write something that needs that much power because that would prevent it from being used by anything/one else.

So Crytek's coders are insane? j/k

I agree with you completely. The only reason they make this is becuse of a few people who think they need it right now. Although it might be nice for CUDA or OpenCL.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Freyaday on March 25, 2011, 02:45:59 am
But there is another, far more important reason they created this thing: just to create it.
Science for the sake of science is how we got here today, and that applies to computers. Without that, Omni wouldn't exist.
Also, notice the trend of 3.something GHz clocks and multiples of processors? This is because the chipmakers have hit a wall: they can't make the transistors any smaller before quantum mechanics starts messing with things.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: mikehill2003 on March 25, 2011, 02:47:55 am
But there is another, far more important reason they created this thing: just to create it.
Science for the sake of science is how we got here today, and that applies to computers. Without that, Omni wouldn't exist.
Also, notice the trend of 3.something GHz clocks and multiples of processors? This is because the chipmakers have hit a wall: they can't make the transistors any smaller before quantum mechanics starts messing with things.

So true.


And if there isn't something new for everyone to buy, the can't make as much money.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Freyaday on March 25, 2011, 03:33:08 am
And that's what keeps the economy going.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 25, 2011, 03:36:24 am
Didn't I heard somewhere that processors with a clock speed too high like the high 3 GHz could have hardware issues due to compacted circuits? I think I read something similar before about the earliest 1 TB harddrives.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: mikehill2003 on March 25, 2011, 03:42:10 am
Didn't I heard somewhere that processors with a clock speed too high like the high 3 GHz could have hardware issues due to compacted circuits? I think I read something similar before about the earliest 1 TB harddrives.

I thought it was cooling problems.
See video for 7Ghz overclocked AMD CPU.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 25, 2011, 03:44:13 am
Ah maybe it was that.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Freyaday on March 25, 2011, 03:45:16 am
That's what I'm talking about. Also, smaller transistors are ever more leakier, so each transistor needs more power to push the 1s over the higher threashhold, which has to be set above the maximum possible leakage.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 25, 2011, 03:30:25 pm
Didn't I heard somewhere that processors with a clock speed too high like the high 3 GHz could have hardware issues due to compacted circuits? I think I read something similar before about the earliest 1 TB harddrives.

I thought it was cooling problems.
See video for 7Ghz overclocked AMD CPU.

I don't even want to know how many watts of heat that CPU was putting out.

At least nvidia didn't go the way of the FX 5800 when designing the cooler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4&feature=related)
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: GB on March 25, 2011, 03:44:06 pm

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I need to get a copy of windows 2K - XP is just too much for my older computers.
Also, I am building a computer for my birthday now, but a GTX 590 would be my whole budget down the drain :P I'll probably get a GTX 460 768mb - they're a real steal right now at $150./me hopes someone will get him a GTX 590 for his birthday

EDIT:/me also wishes someone would get him a power supply big enough for that card :P
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I would use Windows XP but 32-bit XP only recognizes 3.5GB of RAM, while W2k Professional recognizes all 4.
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: fb39ca4 on March 25, 2011, 03:45:37 pm
Looks like you posted inside the quotes, GB. ;)
Title: Re: Nvidia GTX590 - overkill beyond the max!
Post by: Snake X on March 26, 2011, 11:14:06 am
umm it requires a 700 Watt PSU reccomended min.