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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Other => Topic started by: p2 on May 27, 2012, 01:52:55 pm

Title: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 27, 2012, 01:52:55 pm
Hi everyone!
I only postet this on this board because it hasn't anything to do with calculators and also not that much wich coding.

I am currently searching for a program with which I can calculatre magnet field lines.
But not such a freeware-stuff with 20x20x20 measuring points!
It must support calculating magnet field lines in a very high quality and as exact as possible.

It should also be able to calculate and show me the possible affections of the magnet field by the environment and different high-tech materials (like permalloy).

I don't care about the program's language as long as there's anyone who can translate it.

I also don't care about how much the software costs.
But the only program I found jet costs about 6000$  x.x
And that's a little bit too much for me...  :P



I hope someone can help me!  ;)
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: Darl181 on May 27, 2012, 02:13:08 pm
Hm, iirc there was this magnet-hockey game somewhere that I think had lines..
See if I can find it.

Edit: http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/electric-hockey
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 27, 2012, 03:10:02 pm
Or does anyone know if it is possible to do it with one of those programs?
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/catalog.png)

I need it to exactly calculate the strength of the magnetic field of different shaped magnets
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: Sorunome on May 27, 2012, 05:09:47 pm
You could program one :P
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: ruler501 on May 27, 2012, 07:17:44 pm
If I knew how magnets worked maybe i could make one. The hockey one is the only one i knew like that. maybe ask them for the source and see if someone could port that to what you need?
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: stevon8ter on May 27, 2012, 07:40:14 pm
http://magnetism-3d.software.informer.com/ (http://magnetism-3d.software.informer.com/) good enough?
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 28, 2012, 06:06:05 am
You could program one :P
how?  ??? I think there really is a reason why those programs cost that much and need that much space...  :-\

If I knew how magnets worked maybe i could make one. The hockey one is the only one i knew like that. maybe ask them for the source and see if someone could port that to what you need?
Spoiler For hockey game:
Hm, iirc there was this magnet-hockey game somewhere that I think had lines..
See if I can find it.
Edit: http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/electric-hockey
I don't think anyone will do that. At least, it'll take much time! I need to work with different types of magnets, materials and all of that in different areas. I also must be able to pick any point in the animation and get known the power of the magnetic field there. Noone would make a program supporting all of that in less than one month! And of cause also not for free.
But would you really try to make one if you would understand how magnets work?  *.*  That would be great!  ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif)

Darl181, sorry, but I don't think it would be exact enough! and of cause also not work with different types of materials, magnets, .... And It's all in 2D :/
But At least we now have a working 2d-Program. :D (which doesn't really help me that much) :-\

http://magnetism-3d.software.informer.com/ (http://magnetism-3d.software.informer.com/) good enough?
Does that program support multiple types of materials and magnets? And am I able to pick any measuring point in the animation and check out the power of the magnet field there?
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: Sorunome on May 28, 2012, 06:07:02 am
Why do you need it anyways? just interested :P
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 28, 2012, 06:36:00 am
Like I already said, I want to calculate the magnetic field lines of a constellation of different cinds of magnets and materials in multiple areas. And I need it to be as exact al possible. that's all. ;)
(It's for an experiment and a bet)
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: ruler501 on May 28, 2012, 10:08:16 pm
But would you really try to make one if you would understand how magnets work?  *.*  That would be great!  ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif)

I'd at least try if I had time. I love challenges
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 29, 2012, 03:32:15 pm
well, that would be a veeery hard challange...

You don't thave enough free time, right?
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 03:08:34 am
thank you! :) I'll try it out! ; and post the results here
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 03:32:16 am
I am currently searching for a program with which I can calculatre magnet field lines.
Well, a few years ago there has been a free version 'Maxwell SV' of a commercial program for this purpose. Of course after such a long time the program isn't downloadable anymore from the original site, but after some 'googling' I found the following site:
http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~chrismi/downloads/

Here you find MaxwellSV.exe (36MB). I don't know if this is what you're looking for (it's just too big for me for trying it only), but maybe it's the right thing for you.

PS: I've just found that even the link on the original developer (Ansoft) site is still existing (although it's quite hidden):
http://www.ansoft.co.kr/html/images/dow/MaxwellSV.exe

Franz

Er, Franz! There is a little thing I don't really understand...
You said this is a download link, already existing since a few years.
But the program I can download there has been uploaded only three hours ago! When you posted this.
have YOU something to do with this? ;D
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 30, 2012, 05:13:39 am
I think he's talking about the file date. Like you said, when you download something on your computer, its date changes to the download completion date (unless zipped, in which case the zip content will retain their original dates, which is why it's possible to have files dated from the future (http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/prophecy.zip), for example, but that's another story)
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 05:46:10 am
ithe times are equal! the file was modified only a few minutes before he posted it here.

(On my flashdrive I hav an old presentation for scool - last modified 2018!) :D
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 05:58:36 am
the file on my flashdrive:
when I edited the file the last time - 2018

the downloaded file:
created a few minutes before you posted the link
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 09:28:06 am
when I read your post, I noticed that you postet it 3 hours ago.
And only 3hours and a few minutes ago, someone has created that download-link!
only a few minutes before you posted the link!
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on May 30, 2012, 09:53:35 am
THE FILE in the .zip whicj I downloaded, was created a few minutes before you posted the link!
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: aeTIos on May 30, 2012, 01:35:23 pm
What does it matter?
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: ruler501 on May 31, 2012, 10:24:19 pm
well, that would be a veeery hard challange...

You don't thave enough free time, right?
probably not since I would have to learn how magnets work(just realized how that fits into the meme :P ) and then I'd have to make the program which I would guess would be one of the easier parts over learning all of that. I will have time when I'm at UNT for a precalc course to learn how magnets work if I can find a good book(preferrably ebook). Though I'd guess plenty of the math would be way above my head(I don't know much past calculus though i still am bad at integrals and linear algebra). I'd love to try though if you could tell me a good way to learn
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: p2 on June 01, 2012, 08:20:08 am
I think, the best way to learn everything about magnets is, to use wikipedia.
Search for "magnet" and read the whole page (AND all the linked pages, too)
;)

But that would take muuuuuch time! :/
Title: Re: searching a software to simulate magnetic fields
Post by: aeTIos on June 01, 2012, 10:23:42 am
Isnt this maxwell student version OK?