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General Discussion => Technology and Development => Other => Topic started by: ElementCoder on January 23, 2013, 03:11:12 pm
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There may be some discussion about how powerful the WiiU really is. Like the tile says it is, in its own way.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/developers-have-it-wrong-the-wii-u-is-powerful-its-just-next-generation-pow
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So no hope for WiiU4Nspire by calc84maniac? :'(
Just kidding, but like every console, we won't see it used to its full potential until a few years later since developers still need to learn how to.
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Yep. Compare early calc games to newer ones.
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Thats a fair point :).
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The next gen Playstation and Xbox are going to have GPGPUs as well.
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Nintendo is always a step ahead with hardware.......first ones to do touch on handheld thingies (nintendo ds), first ones to use motion control remotes, and no first ones to use a gpgpu :D
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D-pad and shoulderbuttons. Swag.
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Yep. Compare early calc games to newer ones.
It's actually the opposite if we include ticalc.org O.O (in average)
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What kind of touch screen does this have?
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That reminds me, I hope that Nintendo didn't make the new hardware too hard to code either, because this happened with the Atari 2600 and PS3 if I remember and as a result there were much fewer games coming out for those consoles (although for PS3 this wasn't nearly as bad) and in Atari case didn't make full use of the hardware (eg Compare Mario Bros Atari 2600 with Solaris).
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What kind of touch screen does this have?
I don't know exactly but it is a single-touch screen.
That reminds me, I hope that Nintendo didn't make the new hardware too hard to code either...
From what I understood it's similar to the Wii, the main point is that physics stuff and heavy math should be done by the GPU and not the CPU.
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The atari2600 was not only hard to program. It was also less powerful. Look at the best nes game compared to the best atari2600 game.
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So you are telling me nintendo are back to decent hardware? The Wii was terrible compared to the PS3/xbox360.
EDIT: Nintendo is always a step ahead with hardware.......first ones to do touch on handheld thingies (nintendo ds), first ones to use motion control remotes, and no first ones to use a gpgpu :D
The first motion control was the power glove and don't forget about the 3DS.
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I'm sure the WiiU hardware is nowhere close to what will most likely be the next Xbox and Playstation, but it's a big improvement over the Wii. If I remember correctly, the Wii hardware is on-par with the GameCube
That said what will matter too is the game selection. When the PS3 came out it took 5 years until it has a decent game selection (by decent I mean not limited to just 3 genres, such as racing, sports and first person shooting in PS3 case. On the 360 you had RPGs, platform games and space shooters years before.
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the Wii hardware is on-par with the GameCube
Wii = GC = PS2?
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I don't exactly remember if the PS2 was more or less powerful actually.
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Wii > GC > PS2
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Doesn't the Wii have an external chip to emulate a GC?
If so, Wii >> GC (Yes, Wii shifted right GC bits)
Edit: Does the WiiU still have this?
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So it's WiiU > Xbox360 > PS3 > Wii > Xbox? > GC > PS2
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The GC and xbox were very similar power-wise. Gamecube had better texturing features but the xbox had programmable shaders which allowed better special effects. Both could push the same amount of geometry and both were superior to the ps2. The xbox was basically a PC rig which meant it inherited a lot of PC games as a result. The Wii is more powerful (and more power efficient) than GC/xbox however. More like a more efficient and slightly faster repackaging, with updated graphical features.
From what i can tell the WiiU is superior to the current gen in technology, but its not a great deal in processing power. The WiiU is orders-of-magnitude more power efficient than 360/ps3 im told (which is why it can be so small).
Im sure the WiiU will be able to produce perfectly acceptable next-gen looking games.
It will be interesting to see what sony/ms inherit from Wii/WiiU in their next offerings.
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Nintendo has The Legend of Zelda, so they win anyways :P
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Sony will most likely go on an anti hacking rampage again like they did before by trying to send someone in jail for no valid reason and their new console will most likely be even more locked down than their previous ones x.x
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Nintendo has The Legend of Zelda, so they win anyways :P
Wait until the novelty wears off. Then what? Ooooh make different games :P Diversity always wins.
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Nintendo has The Legend of Zelda, so they win anyways :P
Wait until the novelty wears off. Then what? Ooooh make different games :P Diversity always wins.
TLoZ never gets boring :P Look at how many games there are.
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(Sadly) not everyone enjoys that franchise, so you won't get a lot of sales for a legend of zelda console (which only plays legend of zelda).
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Well, nintendo has a big enough fanbase that it hardly matters atm. It doesn't hurt that no one else is vying for the crowd they are in consoles.
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no
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Sony will most likely go on an anti hacking rampage again like they did before by trying to send someone in jail for no valid reason and their new console will most likely be even more locked down than their previous ones x.x
True. They are freaking insane about their hardware... Well, that's why i bought a Wii instead of a Playstation 3! Homebrew is important to me, i want to do whatever i want with the hardware i pay for.
Well, nintendo has a big enough fanbase that it hardly matters atm. It doesn't hurt that no one else is vying for the crowd they are in consoles.
Also true. Wii dominated the console charts for a long time in China and Japan, and was also the most sold console of this generation for a long time . And there are a lot of Chinese ppl! :) I don't know if this is still true (console chart and most sold console), but Wii made its point of view... With low hardware and relatively low price, you can play a lot of games...
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I held that controller in my hands in the store and it was heavy as hell. It turned out that they mounted a huge metal structure on the back to make sure it doesn't get stolen. How am I supposed to get a feel for the controls if the controller weighs 30 pounds???
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Sadly, a lot more money can be made from bad games such as FIFA.
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Doesn't the Wii have an external chip to emulate a GC?
If so, Wii >> GC (Yes, Wii shifted right GC bits)
Edit: Does the WiiU still have this?
The Wii has the same CPU/GPU architecture as the GC, clocked higher. It also adds a more advanced coprocessor for I/O, and hardware for Bluetooth, USB, and SD cards, but was otherwise essentially the same.
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Actually Nintendo didn't need to upgrade the Wii much when it was coming out because of the following things:
-Most games for the Wii were aimed at a younger audience and such game generally requires less power than FPSes, for example, since they look a bit closer to cartoon/3D animated movies than live-action.
-The wiimote and other similar peripherals which were the most marketed parts of the console IIRC
-The high popularity of Nintendo franchises
So basically, even if weaker than their Sony/Microsoft counterparts, the Wii was still gonna sell anyway. It just ended up suffering from lower sales a bit earlier in its lifespan and prevented some games like Crysis from coming out on it.
Now that competitors also got motion control/sensor type gamepads and stuff such as Kinect and PS Move, they can't rely solely on that anymore and they need either another gimmick or a much more powerful hardware than the Wii. Of course, just as long as it's more powerful than the Wii, it doesn't matter to them if it will be even close to the next Xbox and PS4, because the Wii U will have Mario and Zelda games, boosting its sales considerably.
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The Wii U does have a new gimmick. All of nintendo's consoles have had something unique about them, since the N64 anyway. N64 was the first to introduce analog sticks. Gamecube was a cube. :P The Wii had its motion controls. And now, the Wii U brings the fancy touchscreen gamepad to the party.
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Erm, wasn't the Atari 2600 the first console to have analog sticks?
Also I am unsure if being a cube is a big innovation/difference that is enough to sell a console, but it was surely MUCH smaller than other consoles. I always hated how the Playstation 2 and Xbox were as big as a NES early on.
EDIT Nervermind, the Atari 2600 controller didn't have an analog stick. It was digital it seems (although in joystick form rather than d-pad)
Also I think one main selling point of the GameCube might have been its ridiculously low price compared to its competitors. Only 2 years after its release over here we could get a new one for $129.99 or so. After 2 years here, the Wii was still $279.99.
Offtopic: Do you remember the original Xbox controller? That thing was so big... O.O. If you had small hands, you had to buy a third-party one that is smaller.
(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/xbox1.jpg)
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/ZahrDalsk/XboxHuge3.jpg)
Of course it isn't as bad as in this pic, but they're still 2x bulkier than 360 controllers.
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Lol, those be some funny pictures :P
Although the size of the Xbox never really bothered me at all :P
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I don't think size matters with a home console. It's not like you need to move it around a lot.
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I still have my original xbox (right next to me) :P and the original controllers.
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I don't think size matters with a home console. It's not like you need to move it around a lot.
depends. In my case in my living room I got 5 consoles and a stereo system under my TV and because of how large my 360, PS2 and PS3 are I had to put my RetroDuo, Sega Genesis and Wii on the carpet whenever they're not used. If they were all the size of my PS2 slim or wii i could fit everything in. :P
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Offtopic: I got 8 systems and a commodore 64 with a diskdrive to fit under my tv. Most of them are top loaders except for the nes and (big) ps2, so no stacking here. I cannot fit more stuff underneath the tv (and have easy access to it.)
I want to play the wiiU at a friends first, but I don't know people who own one. I will not hook it up to my beloved CRT tv because... you guess.
Just gonna wait until there are some cool metroid games on the system. Other M 2 ft portal (in which mother brain is transferred to a potato)
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I'm not buying a WiiU until it drops under $210 or so. And yeah a new Metroid, preferably a platform game, not a FPS, would be nice. They really should do the same thing they did with New Super Mario Bros and do a New Super Metroid or something that is 2D or side-scrolling 3D like the good ol' games.
In my case, I can't put stuff on my 360 because it's apparently very bad for ventilation (RRoD), my PS2, Sega Genesis, Retro Duo are all top-loading and the Wii isn't but it's hard to put anything on a wii.
That said I need to get my TV replaced in a month or two because the one I have doesn't support old console games and a new TV means I'll need new furniture to put it on since what I have right now is barely strong enough to support my current 32 inch TV.
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Wind waker HD might prompt me to get one
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Wind Waker HD is also known as emulation through Dolphin. Thanks to the liberal use of Cel-shading, model quality is less important, and you can get extremely high resolutions, not to mention filtered textures :3
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Erm, wasn't the Atari 2600 the first console to have analog sticks?
Also I am unsure if being a cube is a big innovation/difference that is enough to sell a console, but it was surely MUCH smaller than other consoles. I always hated how the Playstation 2 and Xbox were as big as a NES early on.
EDIT Nervermind, the Atari 2600 controller didn't have an analog stick. It was digital it seems (although in joystick form rather than d-pad)
Also I think one main selling point of the GameCube might have been its ridiculously low price compared to its competitors. Only 2 years after its release over here we could get a new one for $129.99 or so. After 2 years here, the Wii was still $279.99.
Offtopic: Do you remember the original Xbox controller? That thing was so big... O.O. If you had small hands, you had to buy a third-party one that is smaller.
(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/xbox1.jpg)
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/ZahrDalsk/XboxHuge3.jpg)
Of course it isn't as bad as in this pic, but they're still 2x bulkier than 360 controllers.
Ahaha, I remember people making fun of the old Xboxes cause they were gigantic and weighed a ton. The controllers were too big for a lot of kids hands most of the time too. :P
In regards to the Wii U; it looks like a really cool system, but I have no interest in buying one right now. There are literally zero games launch games that look worth a damn, and it's a crying shame. :/ So yea, I'm waiting for now. The next game I'm anticipating is the new pokemon game on the 3ds in October, and the Professor Layton/Phoenix Right crossover(if it ever comes out here).
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I really want a WiiU, but the main thing (as with many other people I think) is indeed the lack of good launch games (apart from ZombieU and New Super Mario Bros. U) and the fact that it is a little pricy :/ Though I definitely want Pikmin 3, so when it comes out or if there will be a special combo/limited edtion it'll be in my house in no-time :P
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Wind Waker HD is also known as emulation through Dolphin. Thanks to the liberal use of Cel-shading, model quality is less important, and you can get extremely high resolutions, not to mention filtered textures :3
YEah I like how in emulators you can get higher resolution than original consoles. Some Nintendo 64 games look better that way, although if there are 2D sprites they can look weird and blurry. On the Xbox 360 I remember if you played Xbox games you could get HD resolution too. I wish it was the case with Wii games on the WiiU.
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if you have good enough hardware to manage it, emulating ps2 games at full screen resolution (particularly things like Shadow of the Colossus) looks beautiful, too.
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Also, the Gamecube and PS2 use significantly larger resolution textures than the N64 did. (aside from the hack packs available ofc)
Make sure you adjust the texture render size in dolphin or they'll look terrible, though!
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Wind Waker HD is also known as emulation through Dolphin. Thanks to the liberal use of Cel-shading, model quality is less important, and you can get extremely high resolutions, not to mention filtered textures :3
YEah I like how in emulators you can get higher resolution than original consoles. Some Nintendo 64 games look better that way, although if there are 2D sprites they can look weird and blurry. On the Xbox 360 I remember if you played Xbox games you could get HD resolution too. I wish it was the case with Wii games on the WiiU.
If you have a powerful enough PC, you can use Dolphin to emulate Wii games at as high a resolution as you want. You can also have it patch in higher resolution textures on the fly if you happen to have some, and use antialiasing and per pixel (rather than per vertex) lighting.
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But even with the default textures rendered at a higher resolution it looks really good.
Speaking from a 1280x1024 perspective, so think the 4:3 equivalent of 1080p.
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1280x1024 is actually a 5:4 aspect ratio. You want 1280x960 which is 4:3 and also twice that of 640x480 so 2D GUI elements will look the best.
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Well, yes, 1280x1024 is 5:4, but I set the Gamecube emulator to 1280x960 (which isn't a standard screen size, but it's used often in software for the 4:3 aspect ration) and thus I have the same effect.
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The Wii U gamepad now show ads. Sometimes, it will suddenly turn ON by itself (even with the console turned OFF) then show special offers/promotions on digital games... O.O
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The Wii U gamepad now show ads. Sometimes, it will suddenly turn ON by itself (even with the console turned OFF) then show special offers/promotions on digital games... O.O
Yeah, it's something they added with the Quick Start menu. It was opt-in, but it seems like practically everybody opted in without realizing it, heh. It can be disabled.
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Holy necropost wait what?
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Yes, it happened a few minutes ago while I was eating. I didn't use my Wii U for weeks other than a recent update.
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I haven't experienced this yet. I should go make sure my gamepad is charged, and that I haven't enabled it.