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Title: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 15, 2011, 06:12:07 pm
Hi, I'm Spyro543.

I joined here because I'm thinking about getting a TI-84 Plus, and trying out the programming, but I don't have one yet.  :'(

I've mostly been in the Other Calc-Related Projects And Ideas forum, and those ideas, screenshots, and programs are simply AMAZING. I really like Darl181's projects (http://ourl.ca/8025).

When I get a TI-84+ I'll post more. But for now I'll just have to see what's going on here.  :)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 15, 2011, 06:15:32 pm
Heya and welcome on the forums. I saw you were lurking earlier and I'm glad you are interested into calculator stuff. :D
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Darl181 on April 15, 2011, 06:18:37 pm
Hi Spyro543, and welcome to omnimaga!
Glad you liked the projects thread, I actually still have to write readmes for the majority of them :P

Formalities aside, have some peanuts...
(btw these are the first Darl181 peanuts ever given)
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4454.0;attach=7052;image)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 15, 2011, 06:20:34 pm
Yay my first bag of peanuts!  ;D

I'll have to post somewhere else so I can change my profile!
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 15, 2011, 08:31:43 pm
Oh, well howdy :) I hope you get to have this much fun, too! So, um, yeah! I've seen you lurking around, too, so hi!
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Freyaday on April 15, 2011, 08:35:46 pm
Welcome aboard, here are your !peanuts
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 16, 2011, 03:31:23 pm
Hello! Have some of my CYAN peanuts:
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4454.0;attach=7071;image) (http://ourl.ca/9466)
Click to eat...

I hope you enjoy it here and that you become a great programmer.
I personally don't really have a z80 calc(except a ti 83). My calculator where I mainly program on is my trusty ti 89.

Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2011, 03:58:12 pm
Now what calculator would you recommend? TI-Nspire touchpad, TI-84 plus, or TI-92? These are the three options I am considering.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Ashbad on April 16, 2011, 04:12:03 pm
welcome to the community ;D hope you enjoy your stay ;)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: turiqwalrus on April 16, 2011, 04:12:57 pm
go for the 84+
it has a more dedicated community, is allowed on major tests, doesn't have crippled programming(unlike the nspire)
EDIT: very true, ashbad. the prizm is a good choice too :D
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2011, 04:59:56 pm
Ok, adjusted my signature.

I sure hope I get a graphing calc soon becuase it's driving me crazy :crazy: to keep coming on here and not able to actually test any of the programs  :'(.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Ashbad on April 16, 2011, 05:01:45 pm
I would also suggest the Casio Prizm, if you're looking for the future of calc programming :) but if you want the most currently supported platform, go with an 84+ (SE might be best version for programming and gaming) ;)

I'm sure the 84+ support will stay evident for many years to come though ;)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 05:05:33 pm
Or an nspire with an 84+ pad :P a little incompatible, but you still get ndless and such, as well as full axe support.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Munchor on April 16, 2011, 05:07:20 pm
Hi, I'm Spyro543.

I joined here because I'm thinking about getting a TI-84 Plus, and trying out the programming, but I don't have one yet.  :'(

I've mostly been in the Other Calc-Related Projects And Ideas forum, and those ideas, screenshots, and programs are simply AMAZING. I really like Darl181's projects (http://ourl.ca/8025).

When I get a TI-84+ I'll post more. But for now I'll just have to see what's going on here.  :)

Welcome! Hope you can contribute to TI-83+ Series programming when you get the calculator, and yes Darl181 is a very good programmer =D
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Darl181 on April 16, 2011, 05:11:10 pm
The 92+'s a) replaced with the voyage 200 and b) doesn't have much going for it, iirc the community for that line is kind of dead.

The nspire is gaining in popularity, probably b/c of games like ndoom but most of what seems to be going on is hard-core hacking atm :P

Personally I'd go with the 83+/84+ /SE 's (z80 series), they also have a growing community, but the base is already established and it's fairly easy to get started.  Also there's a ton of helper programs (and games) for the z80 series and programs like Axe Parser.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: GB on April 16, 2011, 05:26:24 pm
You should get a Click Pad TI-Nspire.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 05:29:28 pm
Yeah, I prefer clickpad too, and they'll be cheaper than the touch ones, since they've been around longer.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2011, 05:41:25 pm
Why clickpad? Here are the options I am considering:

TI Nspire with TI-84 keypad (seems good, considering it)
Pros: Mouse, grayscale screen, large memory capacity, free TI-84 keypad and emulator, computer-like navigation, large screen, QWERTY keyboard, Math Print OS, USB connection, good price ($117.99)
Cons: None so far

TI 92 Plus (kinda dropping the idea)
Pros: Powered by AA's, large screen, much like a portable computer, large QWERTY keyboard, quite powerful, more memory than 84+, low price, Pretty Print, USB connection
Cons: Outdated and discontinued, low price because discontinued

Casio Prizm (I am really considering this one)
Pros: Color screen, picture plotting, textbook-style display, large memory capacity, USB connection
Cons: Battery life seems a bit short, not a TI calc (bye bye Axe and everything else)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 05:53:59 pm
Believe me, the mouse is not a pro. It sucks (IMO). And no nspire has a qwerty layout. The prizm is nice too, but it does have a slower processor, both in mhz and in architecture, than the nspire's ARM CPU. Still, though, both are extremely powerful, and you prob. won't have regrets from picking one vs. the other. They're both significantly better than the 92+ in raw power.

BTW, Nspire OS 3.0  has 3D graphing, and the new Nspire CX, while having no 84+ keypad, has a color screen (but no ndless for it is available yet) and it's hard to get one right now, since they're still pretty new.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Freyaday on April 16, 2011, 05:55:41 pm
Out of curiosity, why not an 84+SE?
PS: I really like your userbar for Chrome.
Edit: The reason for the lack of a qwerty keyboard is that the rules governing standardized tests specifically prohibit devices with Qwerty keyboards. TI learned that the hard way and they're not going to make that mistake again.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Darl181 on April 16, 2011, 05:57:22 pm
The prizm is a lot more open than the nspires, TI's now made up some 2048-bit signing keys...
Also the MP OSes are horribly unstable--I had 2.55 on my calc for just a few hours and got multiple crashes and a BLOD without even leaving the homescreen :P

Also, the nspire's 84+ emu has multiple errors, and some things won't work properly iirc
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 06:08:17 pm
That's one of the reasons for the clickpad :P OS 1.7 uses OS 2.46, which is fine, and has its own ndless.

The 92 thru V200 weren't designed for High School students. They were designed for engineers, wnich is why, at the same time, they made the 89, which is allowed on the SAT. It's not on the ACT, though, because of the CAS algebraic functions. There wasn't really a mistake made, from what I've seen.

84+s are really cheap secondhand nowadays, and they're nice enough calcs. Don't get MP for them though. Bad idea. Also watch out for calcs with lower RAM, as they can't run certain programs.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2011, 06:49:27 pm
Ok I'll update the list in my sig. This is kinda turning into a different topic: over which calculator is the best.

I've made my decision on which calc to get: TI-Nspire clickpad :hyper: (http://qr.net/YHC).
If I ever need the keyboard or touchpad (probably the keyboard) I'll just get the touchpad keypad. :)
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 07:13:40 pm
Well, the Prizm definitely has the better OS of the two, and a better BASIC language for programming in. Also, consider the ease of use in connecting it to a PC for files. an nspire uses special software that I have come to loathe, and the prizm uses a flash-drive like approach that, while a little slower in actual transfer, saves many headaches.

Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2011, 07:16:51 pm
 :crazy: Which one to get? The PRIZM :) or the Nspire :(.

Edit: Decision made. TI-Nspire. Not sure whether clickpad or touchpad because I know the touchpad edition has geometry and spreadsheets and a keyboard and a grayscale screen. Tell me if the clickpad has these.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 09:04:28 pm
Both have identical software, including geometry and spreadsheets. Also, if you want, you can have both by buying another keypad from TI.

See, the hardware of the two is virtually identical, so you can use a touch keypad in a regular nspire, and a clickpad in a touchpad nspire. The only thing is the touchpads are only supported from OS 2.0 upward, whereas the clickpad supports all OSes.

So, get the cheapest one you can find, and get ahold of all 3 pads, and you're set.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 16, 2011, 09:40:07 pm
Yeah, the NSpire with 84 Plus Keypad will be your best bet. Just MAKE SURE you don't get a CAS or a CX, as the 84 Plus emulator is taken out.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 16, 2011, 09:43:08 pm
That's very true. Plus, the CAS isn't allowed on the ACT.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 17, 2011, 01:04:28 am
Personally I would probably go with a 84+ or a TI-Nspire, but if you choose the later make sure it comes with a 84+ keypad. The 84+ has the widest range of games and programs, although some will not work on the Nspire 84+ emulator. 68Ks are nice, but the community is less active. There's also the Casio Prizm, which has huge potential and isn't locked down like the TI-Nspire.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: BrownyTCat on April 17, 2011, 01:17:37 am
84 also has AXE, which is very good for spare time. No opinions please.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: willrandship on April 17, 2011, 01:25:40 am
DJ, the Casio Prizm is just as locked down as the nspire. The devs just found their exploit (read: ndless for prizm), now, and CASIO either hasn't noticed, or just doesn't care.

Also, keep in mind that the amount of stuff that doesn't work on the emu comprises, I'd say, 1-3% of what is available, since it's all about the undocumented functions not being supported.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 17, 2011, 03:54:55 am
When you ever consider buying another calc, it could be a ti 89 perhaps. It is of the same family like the ti 92, but there are more programs for the ti 89. I think it is good to start with the nspire. Be sure to buy/get a keypad too ;P
The 68k community is a bit dead, but I actually think that the 68k calcs are the most advanced programming calc of ti. And I am trying to make it undead :P
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 17, 2011, 08:13:52 am
Now I really want the prizm, 84+, and the Nspire!!!!!!!!!
I think I'll look into a prizm, but I really want the Nspire.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 17, 2011, 11:54:26 am
I've made my decision: Casio fx-9860G Slim.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Ashbad on April 17, 2011, 12:00:03 pm
hmm, that's a good calculator, but it doesn't have much support from this community at least :( not many people here have that type of casio calc, so there's not nearly as much community support for the platform.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: JosJuice on April 17, 2011, 12:08:59 pm
DJ, the Casio Prizm is just as locked down as the nspire. The devs just found their exploit (read: ndless for prizm), now, and CASIO either hasn't noticed, or just doesn't care.
There isn't an exploit for the Prizm, and an exploit isn't needed. What we did was just to document the g3a format. It's similar to the apps on 83+/84+, except there is less signing involved. The user doesn't need to install an exploit, unlike Ndless - they just have to transfer the g3a file to their calc. (Do the new Lua programs for Nspire 3.0 work in this way too?) And if we think about things other than asm/C, the Prizm has better BASIC functions for graphics, and GetKey and such.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Spyro543 on April 17, 2011, 02:53:19 pm
Which section can I set up a poll on who has a Casio calc? ??? Just wondering...
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 17, 2011, 06:46:30 pm
DJ, the Casio Prizm is just as locked down as the nspire. The devs just found their exploit (read: ndless for prizm), now, and CASIO either hasn't noticed, or just doesn't care.
Yeah, but the difference with Casio is that they aren't trying hard at eradicating game development on their calcs, like TI is doing.
Which section can I set up a poll on who has a Casio calc? ??? Just wondering...
Casio discussion, but I see someone set one up already.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Ashbad on April 17, 2011, 06:50:54 pm
This is TI:

   "Shitz man!  Teh programmers just broke into our new Lua thing, our TNS thang, and our OS thong!"
   "Craptz man!  Let's get back at tehm by blocking non-encryted TNS files and adding a 1024 RSA key!
   "Frackz, man!  now we're locked out of our own goddamned piece of Shitz too :("
   /me feels unhappy.

Casio:

   "Shitz, man!  Teh calc community already cracked teh add-in format and they codin' in C to make gamez!!!"
   "... cool :3 *opens another beer* shall we help them?"
   ":3 why not?"
   /me goes back to being totally drunk and chill
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 17, 2011, 06:59:55 pm
Ashbad, they're at 2048 bits, now. (On the CX, at least)

As for Casio, maybe they're like "Oh crap! They hacked the Prizm! What do we do? We don't know how to fix this!". When someone asked them about a SDK and said they managed to run assembly code or something, Casio asked them for info on how they did that. :P
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: Ashbad on April 17, 2011, 07:08:44 pm
2048?  -__-

Damn them.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: turiqwalrus on April 17, 2011, 07:40:56 pm
heh heh. I sent casio yet another email about the locate glitch, but I still haven't received a reply in 4 days.
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: JosJuice on April 18, 2011, 02:50:41 am
When someone asked them about a SDK and said they managed to run assembly code or something, Casio asked them for info on how they did that. :P
They did? That's funny. :P
Title: Re: No calculator yet, but I think I'll get one (intro topic)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2011, 02:53:44 am
heh heh. I sent casio yet another email about the locate glitch, but I still haven't received a reply in 4 days.
They said they would fix it in the next release, but it has been over a month, now.
When someone asked them about a SDK and said they managed to run assembly code or something, Casio asked them for info on how they did that. :P
They did? That's funny. :P
They probably wanted to know how to fix the security hole. :P