No! Don't leave us! Who else will be a peanut bag? :'( Goodbye!You're brand spankin' new! I'll still be the peanut bag. I just won't be posting 60 times a day lol
My parents wouldn't be able to put such restrictions to me, I'll have ways to prevent that ^^
This is why I wish there was a way to pass a petition/bill to render any internet censorship attempt by parents.
Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer. And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.
I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.
Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?
It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh? :P
I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)
My dad is saying he might content-filter me... again.Just become an 31173 |-|4><0|\* and bypass his filters. :P Just kidding but I always managed to go through the limitations my parents imposed to me on their computer so they ended up taking my keyboard when I got mine and giving it to me for limited times. This time is gone now hopefully.
He's also currently throttling Steam to the point where I can't even log in (at the network level, so I can't do anything about it)
I just hope that he doesn't content-filter me. I like my interwebs.
Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer. And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.
I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.
Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?
It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh? :P
Yeah, but there's a difference between a reasonable content filter like my parents used to have at home (filtering illegal material and ye ole digital humpin') and senseless word filtering. Come on... Blocking pages by scanning the _text_ on them? I don't see how that could ever be productive.
I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)
Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.
In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
I never said I was against the fact that parents have their rights, just against abuse and preventing kids to have hobbies. And I'd like a clean life afterwards, too, but I don't see how internet would prevent me from that.
And I don't want content filters to be illegal, I was proving that it's not really hard to enforce kids' freedom on the internet.
....I think that that is sadly due to inappropriate things getting more accepted and more added everywhere.
As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.
Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)Out of personal experience, I know that 13 is too young to be left independent. Although a person may have it's privacy, if the kid has a problem showing what he has been doing, he probably wasn't doing something perfectly OK.
Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.
In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
....I think that that is sadly due to inappropriate things getting more accepted and more added everywhere.
As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.
The real problem is this. They should make P-word illegal. ;)Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)Out of personal experience, I know that 13 is too young to be left independent. Although a person may have it's privacy, if the kid has a problem showing what he has been doing, he probably wasn't doing something perfectly OK.
Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.
In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
If I would get a kid, I might give his more independency from age 16 or above, when real maturity comes imo.
(And if my kid wouldn't be mature enough in my eyes then I'll extend the time). This however doesn't mean that I'm OK with it that he'd be doing BAD stuff on his computer.
@Pimathbrainiac: If your parents block stuff, you should NOT try to bypass it, but talk with your parents about it.Sadly, I know many kids who only submit to their parents if they like it. Otherwise they find ways around it. And in one instance a kid I know actually died because of it.
You should submit to their final word, no matter if you like it or not.
(Imagine we'd only obey and submit to our parents when we're okay with it...)
Also, I think I should also point out an point that seems quite important to me. It appears to be generally though that once you're 18 you don't have do honor your parents or respect them and you leave them. This IS wrong thinking.
A kid has to take care of his parents(even of his grandparents) and should only leave when the parents want it or marriage separates you from them.
But even when married or living elsewhere, you should respect your parents and obey them in the good. And instead of considering sick things like euthanasia, you should be there when they're old and can no longer take care of themselves just like they did to you.
Just wanted to get that out, since that's seemed quite important to me.
I try to talk to them about it. My mom is fine about this stuff, but my dad is a control freak.
I won't try to get past content-filtering unless Dad blocks Omni or something crazy like that, (still hoping he doesn't do that) and there is no way to get past the Steam throttle D:
Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.
I don't think this is much of a problem in general here, compared to before. Generally, only two or three people say the F word on a regular basis and they hardly ever post at all. The S word might come out a few more times but even then it's not that frequent, plus I even noticed some people censors themselves out of habit. Although I agree that swearing too much would be problematic for some people to browse the site, being afraid to post at all due to fear of being reprimanded every few time for saying a bad word by accident (that might offend 1 or 2 people on the site) is even worse. We have to give people some freedom so they're comfortable to post at all, else they'll just leave.Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.
I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.
It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.
That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.
Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.
Ah ok, it seemed like you were angry at us or something lol.Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.
Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.
Filters are handy when used appropriately, but the problem is that some parents just abuse them, like in JustCause/SirCmpwn's case.
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry
By the way guys, SHUT UP! Stop trying to tell others how to hack the restrictions on internet! Look, if there are restrictions put in place, THEY ARE THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON. My parents know their sh*t. I trust them to do what's best for me. I'm not trying to undermine what they're doing. In fact, I'm sitting behind them helping them remove objectionable content from my home computer. I'm ashmed of what I'm doing.I tend to be fundamentally opposed to restricting access to knowledge that is derived purely from our mental ability. (I add this odd language to distinguish knowledge gained through harm, such as knowledge of what it feels like to torture or murder.)
I don't think this is much of a problem in general here, compared to before. Generally, only two or three people say the F word on a regular basis and they hardly ever post at all. The S word might come out a few more times but even then it's not that frequent, plus I even noticed some people censors themselves out of habit. Although I agree that swearing too much would be problematic for some people to browse the site, being afraid to post at all due to fear of being reprimanded every few time for saying a bad word by accident (that might offend 1 or 2 people on the site) is even worse. We have to give people some freedom so they're comfortable to post at all, else they'll just leave.Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.
I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.
It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.
That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
Also no one on this forum is gonna receive a special treatment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_accommodation) based on his religion (or lack thereof). This is the Internet and using this forum is a privilege. It might suck for people who are religious, but if we start doing special favors to specific members just for that it is gonna get out of control.
Of course if swearing became abusive like on the other board and it got out of control, then word filters might be in order. I would recommend that if you find out a member swears too much that you report him to admins, though.
Just to clarify, I was not asking for no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.
Just to clarify, I was not asking for no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.
I'm not much of a swearer online, rest assured. I just wanted you to know that you can't really expect people to automatically respect your values. I'm going to try to because I'm not a fan of drama, but "respect for ones beliefs" is not something you can just take for granted.
Mhmm, i had something similar once, I got a bad grade in a latin class test and thus almost failed the class -> no knex or computer for 1 month.Looks freaking familiar.
yeah true sir couldn't do anything but abide to their decisions. However, I disagree with parts of what stefan said above: If I turned 18 and my parents decided that i was no longer allowed internet access or tried to decide what carreer I'll pursue and disallow me from pursuing programming, you can be sure I would move out to my own appartment (although I would continue seeing and helping them). Even if I was past 18 I lived at their home so I had no control on Internet access, but as adult I had full control on if I wanted to move out or not. If my parents didn't let me move out at 18+ they could end up in jail for sequestration/kidnapping anyway, and if they didn't let me move my own stuff I paid for out, then it would be stealing.Ah ok, it seemed like you were angry at us or something lol.Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.
Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.
Filters are handy when used appropriately, but the problem is that some parents just abuse them, like in JustCause/SirCmpwn's case.
Two things. First, you are just saying what you heard them say, you do not know what really happened. Secondly, that is their problem, and they have to live with it since it is their parents decision as long as they are still living in the same house.
Also:QuoteTo the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry
And lastly, maybe having a setting that censors bad words on omnimaga for those who don't want to see them would be good. ;)
By the way guys, SHUT UP! Stop trying to tell others how to hack the restrictions on internet! Look, if there are restrictions put in place, THEY ARE THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.Then to me a computer restriction as punishment would be totally justified. All caps on the Internet == yelling. Exclamation marks used when calling out people == doing it agressively. While you may be a good behaving person when it comes to computer usage, the many trolling you have been doing so far (especially towards me) and the stuff quoted above tells me that you still have a lot of work to do on being good-mannered and polite. Flat out yelling at people or being agressive to them for such a reason that could easily have been stated politely is as bad as swearing every few sentence.
DJ_O, you said that the best way to ensure safe browsing is to only check AFTER something bad may already have been done.
Do not abuse the post-rating system.It might be that I am not understanding this correctly, but the first part may have gotten abused a bit and so it is easily possible that several managers tried to correct it at the same time.
- Rate posts by quality, not by opinion.
- All post-rating activity is recorded and visible to Managers and abuse will lead to bans.
- Don't complain incessantly over every negative rating you receive. Your life doesn't depend on your rating score.
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.
That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
@DJ: So you downrate based on style an not opinion? It's pretty funny since I get the impression that you downrated me too. In fact I ended up with a -1 there while it first was a +1. I personally don't care that much when I get uprated, but I take it seriously when I get downrated.I wouldn't say downrating on style, but rather on tone used. If a post is agressive for no reason I will downrate it. I will only downrate based on opinion if I feel the other post is racist/bigot/overly intolerant (for example, bashing a great calc game only for being TI-BASIC or singling out an entire group of people), or if the post blatantly breaks the rules.
It was a post directed to someone, meant as a boost. But I now got an impression that some people cannot handle when I get uprated based on religious things.
Yes, please move to debate. Because it's kind of important.+1
The way Dad was talking, I was expecting a big, fat, goodbye.There is this chinese proverb "Don't make decisions when you're angry, don't make promises when you're happy". I bet your dad was angry when he decided to lock your computer down... Now that he calmed down (a bit), I think he sees that it's a bit too much :)