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Title: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 01, 2013, 04:55:30 pm
Thought I'd let Omnimaga know (refer anybody who asks where I am to this post, even if I AM going to stay. I'll probably become more active as time goes on and my Dad isn't so strict. Recent happenings have this computer on thin ice, though.):
I've been limited to almost nothing on the computer due to parental restrictions. Not complaining, just figured I'd let you know I can't download, upload, install, uninstall, or pretty much do anything with this computer. So, any projects I had lingering left incomplete should be deemed "abandoned" and I'm pretty much not going to be here often. It's not fun if I can't just be around you guys all day everyday... I have no OmnomIRC access. Or any chat access of any kind. I am forced to IE7, with like 6 applications constantly monitoring it. So IRC would be super slow anyway.

I may finish the DJ_O songs, but I'll be one of those ghosts who only post when they have a new project. Expect no more than like 1 post per day, unless I get used to IE7 (Right. Because that'll happen.)
To put it into perspective for you guys, it took me 5 minutes to log into facebook. With MFF, 5 seconds was deemed unworthy and would force me to put it to death. When I DID get there, I had to close at least 10 windows warning me of inapproprtiate content. My Dad's own blog (He is a blogger, writing about controversial topics in Christiandom! Great guy! Really christian! Super strict!) isn't even allowed because it has the word... Er... Hrmm.. I wanna be able to read this topic again...
H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS.
...Omnimaga has like 6 inapopropiate content stuff, and I'm lucky I can come at all. It's a very H4X0RZ oriented site and... While that's fun, my Dad wants this computer on lockdown and isn't taking any chances. Just letting me use it is a chance enough to him, so I'm getting privileges here. But, if you need more examples... I can tell he is now constantly monitoring me, though. A lot of my BLAHhackingBLAH stuff (this is to keep it from detecting the site and kicking me off and restricting access.) has been taken away, especially hex editing stuff. But my mouse is flickering (sure sign of sending it's coordinates every few seconds) and GIFs take like 6 times as long to load, and play back extremely slowly once and then are normal, which suggests all GIFs are monitored as well. There is a lot of other stuff... I can't visit a majority of the stuff on Omnimaga, though. Keep me in mind when you write news, next time, DJ_O. I don't wanna stay outta the loop *voice gets pretty shaky*
I just discovered that I can't even use search engines... Somebody link to the page with FAQ's on gamefaqs for RCT Deluxe.. Roller Coaster Tycoon...
I won't quit on GeNspire, either. But somebody should seriously complete it.
Plus, I'll still give my trollish feedback. I feel like I've been with Omnimaga forever...

I am not going to be gone forever, I promise.
But... I'll not be quite as free to respond when somebody asks me to "sing us a sog, pianoman... sing us a song tonight" *breaks down in tears*
I'll be Bach, my Franz. Liszt yourself here if you are going to Greig (grieve) my abscence."
Goodbye Omnimaga. (ish) :'(
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Vijfhoek on May 01, 2013, 05:00:07 pm
:(
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Joshuasm32 on May 01, 2013, 05:03:34 pm
No!  Don't leave us!  Who else will be a peanut bag?   :'(  Goodbye!
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 01, 2013, 05:08:56 pm
No!  Don't leave us!  Who else will be a peanut bag?   :'(  Goodbye!
You're brand spankin' new! I'll still be the peanut bag. I just won't be posting 60 times a day lol
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: aeTIos on May 01, 2013, 05:09:29 pm
Aww, this sucks :(
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Juju on May 01, 2013, 05:15:38 pm
Well, that sucks D:

Hope you survive with this lifetime supply of peanut bags.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Scipi on May 01, 2013, 05:35:37 pm
O_o

That's probably the most strict I've ever seen a parent be to one of our members here. It's always sad to see it happen though.

I hope the restrictions are lightened up soon, however. The GIF loading thing is just crappy downloading speeds. It's more likely your upload/download traffic is monitored. Also, IE..

Also, http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/919872-rollercoaster-tycoon-deluxe/faqs (http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/919872-rollercoaster-tycoon-deluxe/faqs)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 01, 2013, 05:45:07 pm
What happened ? *.*
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Sorunome on May 01, 2013, 07:04:14 pm
Wow, what happend D:
And that is just so sad.... :'(
Hope you'll be albe to come back soon D:
(My parents wouldn't be able to put such restrictions to me, I'll have ways to prevent that ^^)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Joshuasm32 on May 01, 2013, 07:11:09 pm
My parents wouldn't be able to put such restrictions to me, I'll have ways to prevent that ^^

Lucky you: I have physical restrictions (i.e., I can't use my parent's interntet accessible computers until I scrub a toilet that has crap on the seat.)   :mad:
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Darl181 on May 01, 2013, 07:15:37 pm
Is your dad bringing home his work computer for the family to use or something? I can't really think of any other good reason to be so picky about it. :/
(if that's the case, person reading this: get a computer for the rest of the home. :P)

At the very least they/he could update to something that actually works/is newer/more secure/etc.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on May 01, 2013, 08:23:01 pm
WHAT THE???

Not quite as bad as my dad a year ago. He made it impossible for me to log in without him entering a password that I didn't know first.

I got sick of it, and so I booted into linux and got my password back. (and may have made myself the default admin while at it...)

I was grounded for about 2 months. My dad couldn't change me back to regular user (because I became the default admin). He still is not used to it and blames me for any network troubles.

I eventually got a netbook and dual-booted it. He's now fine with that (though it took forever for him to let me).
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 01, 2013, 10:58:26 pm
This is why I wish there was a way to pass a petition/bill to render any internet censorship attempt by parents illegal (other than innapropriate/illegal material), because this sucks when someone has his hobbies taken away due to such things. The only time it should be legal by parents to do that is if you are under 13, if it negatively affects your mood or if you use Internet too much (kinda like parents limiting video gaming to 1 hour a day). Else it's just flat-out censorship or trying to decide what kind of hobbies you are allowed to participate into.

Anyway I hope you don't end up the same way as JustCause did :/ (he was basically locked out of Omnimaga until he moves out of his parents home, which probably happened by now, but since he was restricted around when he was 16, he has since lost interest in calcs and was never to be seen again here). Any chance you could get your own computer or a different way to get online at one point?

Anyway when you get online keep in mind I try to avoid using more than 500 KB worth of gifs in news, but I have no control on what Critor posts. Hopefully you can still post from time to time (like once or twice a day, although minus the trolling, so that you don't get locked out of Omni by admins either >.<)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 01, 2013, 11:08:13 pm
This is why I wish there was a way to pass a petition/bill to render any internet censorship attempt by parents.

That's a horrible idea. It would just be taking away yet another right from parents. Parents already can't spank their kids, let's not make it any worse. And the government shouldn't be messing with family life anyway.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on May 02, 2013, 03:42:01 am
Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer.  And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.

I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.

Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?

It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh? :P
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: mapar007 on May 02, 2013, 07:20:21 am
Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer.  And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.

I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.

Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?

It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh? :P


Yeah, but there's a difference between a reasonable content filter like my parents used to have at home (filtering illegal material and ye ole digital humpin') and senseless word filtering. Come on... Blocking pages by scanning the _text_ on them? I don't see how that could ever be productive.


That said, making stuff like this illegal doesn't seem like a very good idea IMO: 1) such a law is impossible to enforce 2) parents have the right to pass on their own ideology while shielding their children from certain influences. I'm not too fond of this idea either, but the topic is highly controversial and outright removing those rights would not go down well. Besides, this matter is far from black and white; my opinion isn't that clear-cut either.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 07:30:57 am
Word filters can be annoying and unreliable. I mean when you can't even browse a news site because its radio lists a song with the F word in its title even though the rest of the site is perfectly fine, then there's a problem. I even remember some Omni people who could browse Omni fine, but if XVicarious sweared on OmnomIRC, the site automatically got blocked.

As for site-based filters, they aren't always reliable either. I know Omni was flagged as an adult site before (probably because "Z80 assembly" contains the string "a**" or some idiots wanting to have fun false-flagging us).

I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.

As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 02, 2013, 08:28:32 am
I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.
Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on May 02, 2013, 09:22:21 am
My dad is saying he might content-filter me... again.

He's also currently throttling Steam to the point where I can't even log in (at the network level, so I can't do anything about it)

I just hope that he doesn't content-filter me. I like my interwebs.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 02, 2013, 09:36:18 am
My dad is saying he might content-filter me... again.

He's also currently throttling Steam to the point where I can't even log in (at the network level, so I can't do anything about it)

I just hope that he doesn't content-filter me. I like my interwebs.
Just become an 31173 |-|4><0|\* and bypass his filters. :P Just kidding but I always managed to go through the limitations my parents imposed to me on their computer so they ended up taking my keyboard when I got mine and giving it to me for limited times. This time is gone now hopefully.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on May 02, 2013, 09:37:09 am
I still can't get past the throttling on Steam, though...

/me needs Awesomenauts
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 02, 2013, 10:41:02 am
Did you try using a proxy or a VPN ?

Also that might work for you Dapianokid.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 10:47:51 am
Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer.  And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.

I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.

Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?

It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh? :P


Totally agree, especially the last line.

Yeah, but there's a difference between a reasonable content filter like my parents used to have at home (filtering illegal material and ye ole digital humpin') and senseless word filtering. Come on... Blocking pages by scanning the _text_ on them? I don't see how that could ever be productive.

So we agree, a lot of content blockers are not effective. But that is no reason to outlaw them.

I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.
Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.

13 is still young. And I don't agree with you at all that teens can decide for themselves what they can and can't do on the internet. I am a teen as well as you, and I know several times when I wished my content blocker was a little more restrictive, looking back at the situation. ;)

And sure, you can prevent the distribution of content blockers, but then parents will just take the computer away altogether. Which they have a perfect right to do.

And if you are going to restrict parents rights to protect, shield and punish their kids, you should outlaw the Amish as well for making their kids grow up totally disconnected from technology and the outside world.

Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.

Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Streetwalrus on May 02, 2013, 10:54:42 am
I never said I was against the fact that parents have their rights, just against abuse and preventing kids to have hobbies. And I'd like a clean life afterwards, too, but I don't see how internet would prevent me from that.
And I don't want content filters to be illegal, I was proving that it's not really hard to enforce kids' freedom on the internet.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 11:00:40 am
I never said I was against the fact that parents have their rights, just against abuse and preventing kids to have hobbies. And I'd like a clean life afterwards, too, but I don't see how internet would prevent me from that.
And I don't want content filters to be illegal, I was proving that it's not really hard to enforce kids' freedom on the internet.

Ah, ok.

And I have accidentally come across things in the past I wish I hadn't, and I actually set up a content blocker for myself. So that's why I totally agree with parents censoring their children's internet.

Just as a side note, I do NOT agree with a government censoring the rights of its citizens. That's a totally different thing.

Not saying I don't wish content blockers worked better, just saying I understand a parent that tries to restrict their kid's access.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on May 02, 2013, 11:03:18 am
....
As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.
I think that that is sadly due to inappropriate things getting more accepted and more added everywhere.
The real problem is this. They should make P-word illegal. ;)
Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
Out of personal experience, I know that 13 is too young to be left independent. Although a person may have it's privacy, if the kid has a problem showing what he has been doing, he probably wasn't doing something perfectly OK.

If I would get a kid, I might give his more independency from age 16 or above, when real maturity comes imo.
(And if my kid wouldn't be mature enough in my eyes then I'll extend the time). This however doesn't mean that I'm OK with it that he'd be doing BAD stuff on his computer.

@Pimathbrainiac: If your parents block stuff, you should NOT try to bypass it, but talk with your parents about it.
You should submit to their final word, no matter if you like it or not.
(Imagine we'd only obey and submit to our parents when we're okay with it...)

Also, I think I should also point out an point that seems quite important to me. It appears to be generally though that once you're 18 you don't have do honor your parents or respect them and you leave them. This IS wrong thinking.
A kid has to take care of his parents(even of his grandparents) and should only leave when the parents want it or marriage separates you from them.
But even when married or living elsewhere, you should respect your parents and obey them in the good. And instead of considering sick things like euthanasia, you should be there when they're old and can no longer take care of themselves just like they did to you.

Just wanted to get that out, since that's seemed quite important to me.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 11:08:27 am
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As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.
I think that that is sadly due to inappropriate things getting more accepted and more added everywhere.
The real problem is this. They should make P-word illegal. ;)
Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not. ;)

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.
Out of personal experience, I know that 13 is too young to be left independent. Although a person may have it's privacy, if the kid has a problem showing what he has been doing, he probably wasn't doing something perfectly OK.

Same here.

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If I would get a kid, I might give his more independency from age 16 or above, when real maturity comes imo.
(And if my kid wouldn't be mature enough in my eyes then I'll extend the time). This however doesn't mean that I'm OK with it that he'd be doing BAD stuff on his computer.

Exactly. For some reason some people seem to think that maturity is somehow a license to do wrong. And just because you are mature does not mean you should view mature content. THAT should be illegal.

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@Pimathbrainiac: If your parents block stuff, you should NOT try to bypass it, but talk with your parents about it.
You should submit to their final word, no matter if you like it or not.
(Imagine we'd only obey and submit to our parents when we're okay with it...)
Sadly, I know many kids who only submit to their parents if they like it. Otherwise they find ways around it. And in one instance a kid I know actually died because of it.

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Also, I think I should also point out an point that seems quite important to me. It appears to be generally though that once you're 18 you don't have do honor your parents or respect them and you leave them. This IS wrong thinking.
A kid has to take care of his parents(even of his grandparents) and should only leave when the parents want it or marriage separates you from them.
But even when married or living elsewhere, you should respect your parents and obey them in the good. And instead of considering sick things like euthanasia, you should be there when they're old and can no longer take care of themselves just like they did to you.

Just wanted to get that out, since that's seemed quite important to me.


Agreed, agreed.


EDIT:
Just as a note to other members, the reason I have not been very active on omnomirc over the last few months is because of the swearing that goes on there. I only feel comfortable talking to certain people because some other members swear almost at the drop of a hat. It's disgusting. The F word should be censored on omnomirc, IMHO.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on May 02, 2013, 11:48:32 am
I try to talk to them about it. My mom is fine about this stuff, but my dad is a control freak.

I won't try to get past content-filtering unless Dad blocks Omni or something crazy like that, (still hoping he doesn't do that) and there is no way to get past the Steam throttle D:
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 12:04:33 pm
I try to talk to them about it. My mom is fine about this stuff, but my dad is a control freak.

That isn't for you to decide. You obey your parents because they are your parents, and you have respect for them, not necessarily because you think everything they do is fair.

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I won't try to get past content-filtering unless Dad blocks Omni or something crazy like that, (still hoping he doesn't do that) and there is no way to get past the Steam throttle D:

You can only ask him to unblock omni, but if he doesn't, he probably has a good reason, and you just have to accept that.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 02, 2013, 02:58:46 pm
This is one of the most productive discussions Omnimaga has ever had.
I could very easily hack my way back into full, unrestricted access, but that's not the point. I made a promise NOT to do something that I blatantly, deviously, set out to do, with an elaborate plan, even! I broke a rule. I went behind my dad's back, after he trusted me with this computer (Huge leap of faith) to own... So, honestly, I can't do anything but be thankful for what he allows. Slowly, but surely, as has already started happening, restrictions will be lifted. I'm STAYING at Omnimaga, that's for sure.

Seriously, what is the point of rehacking the computing if I'm going to get caught (the man's a genius) and then restricted further? The point is to teach me NOT to indulge in restructive habits or things (Specifically, the lucritive business that makes up 75% of all data on the internet. We're mostly guys here, so whatevs.), so that later in life, I won't destroy myself or those around me. I agree with his decision, honestly. The point is CERTAINLY NOT to beat my interest in computers down so much that I stop caring, and the point is not to make me feel bad, and it's not even a punishment. It's... restriction. Guidance. That I have to prove I'm capable of being responsible enough to learn from. I obviously wasn't , but now I have to learn how to be.

By the way guys, SHUT UP! Stop trying to tell others how to hack the restrictions on  internet! Look, if there are restrictions put in place, THEY ARE THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON. My parents know their sh*t. I trust them to do what's best for me. I'm not trying to undermine what they're doing. In fact, I'm sitting behind them helping them remove objectionable content from my home computer. I'm ashmed of what I'm doing.

DJ_O, you said that the best way to ensure safe browsing is to only check AFTER something bad may already have been done. Once somebody sets their mind to "Ohhh internet goodies! I want moar!", a simple "hey don't go there" is not going to be enough. You HAVE to set restrictions in place for the times when you SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW what your child is doing. I'm sorry, but live monitoring and access restrictions are the best way to go. As a child proves himself responsible not to SCREW UP (c whutt I did der? screw.. hehe...) , those restrictions are lifted. And he can enjoy a nice cup 'o Java.

Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on May 02, 2013, 03:04:22 pm
You're back? YAY!

Spoiler For stupidly devious:
Now dual-boot linux and set the root pass to something your dad doesn't know!

(not really, this is impossible for your dad to get past, but it could make him very, very upset.)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on May 02, 2013, 03:53:03 pm
@Dapianokid:
(I'm not quoting your posts since it's pretty big :P )
It makes me very happy to see you be so open and honest about this. I understand and agree with your entire post. :)
Sadly, most people here aren't Christian and will probably not understand exactly. Some probably will see little to no problem with the "stuff".

But all I think I have to say is to be not discouraged! Never, and everytime you fall continue for perfection instead of feeling miserable. ;)
No, I will not say I'm a good person. I too, am just like all OUR brothers and sisters a sinner(and always will be). But we have to strafe for perfection our entire life, and let God take care of us. :)
God bless you!
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 04:00:30 pm
Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.

I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.

It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.

To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.

That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Adriweb on May 02, 2013, 04:40:45 pm
Sad for you, but I upvoted for "I'll be Bach, my Franz. Liszt yourself here if you are going to Greig (grieve) my abscence."

Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hope) you'll be Bach soon indeed.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 05:25:03 pm
Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.

I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.

It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.

To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.

That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
I don't think this is much of a problem in general here, compared to before. Generally, only two or three people say the F word on a regular basis and they hardly ever post at all. The S word might come out a few more times but even then it's not that frequent, plus I even noticed some people censors themselves out of habit. Although I agree that swearing too much would be problematic for some people to browse the site, being afraid to post at all due to fear of being reprimanded every few time for saying a bad word by accident (that might offend 1 or 2 people on the site) is even worse. We have to give people some freedom so they're comfortable to post at all, else they'll just leave.

Also no one on this forum is gonna receive a special treatment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_accommodation) based on his religion (or lack thereof). This is the Internet and using this forum is a privilege. It might suck for people who are religious, but if we start doing special favors to specific members just for that it is gonna get out of control.

Of course if swearing became abusive like on the other board and it got out of control, then word filters might be in order. I would recommend that if you find out a member swears too much that you report him to admins, though.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 05:29:24 pm
DJ: I am not asking for "special treatment" and I have noticed things getting a bit better, thus my recent increase in activity here. I am not asking for all out censorship either, just for members to remember to be considerate. ;)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 05:30:56 pm
Ah ok, it seemed like you were angry at us or something lol.

Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.


Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.

Filters are handy when used appropriately, but the problem is that some parents just abuse them, like in JustCause/SirCmpwn's case.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 05:37:20 pm
Ah ok, it seemed like you were angry at us or something lol.

Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.


Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.

Filters are handy when used appropriately, but the problem is that some parents just abuse them, like in JustCause/SirCmpwn's case.

Two things. First, you are just saying what you heard them say, you do not know what really happened. Secondly, that is their problem, and they have to live with it since it is their parents decision as long as they are still living in the same house.

Also:
Quote
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry

And lastly, maybe having a setting that censors bad words on omnimaga for those who don't want to see them would be good. ;)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Xeda112358 on May 02, 2013, 05:52:31 pm
By the way guys, SHUT UP! Stop trying to tell others how to hack the restrictions on  internet! Look, if there are restrictions put in place, THEY ARE THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON. My parents know their sh*t. I trust them to do what's best for me. I'm not trying to undermine what they're doing. In fact, I'm sitting behind them helping them remove objectionable content from my home computer. I'm ashmed of what I'm doing.
I tend to be fundamentally opposed to restricting access to knowledge that is derived purely from our mental ability. (I add this odd language to distinguish knowledge gained through harm, such as knowledge of what it feels like to torture or murder.)

I think instead of telling them to stop teaching how to bypass restrictions, let them provide the methods without encouraging others to use these methods-- that is the real harm. If we are going to teach dangerous knowledge, be sure to teach that it is not to be put to ill use. It is like training in martial arts-- you gain skills that can be deadly, but you learn to use it only in the most extreme of circumstances.

There might be those who think that a child will never have sufficient reason to go against the wishes of their parents, but I can assure that there are such extreme circumstances.

@Dapianokid:
Anyways, with that out of the way, I wish you luck and happiness! By the way, you posted in another topic that you wanted to know how to program hex-- your internet restriction is the first step :P I didn't have internet access (or computer access, actually) when I started programming.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: mapar007 on May 02, 2013, 06:36:56 pm
Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.

I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.

It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.

To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.

That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?
I don't think this is much of a problem in general here, compared to before. Generally, only two or three people say the F word on a regular basis and they hardly ever post at all. The S word might come out a few more times but even then it's not that frequent, plus I even noticed some people censors themselves out of habit. Although I agree that swearing too much would be problematic for some people to browse the site, being afraid to post at all due to fear of being reprimanded every few time for saying a bad word by accident (that might offend 1 or 2 people on the site) is even worse. We have to give people some freedom so they're comfortable to post at all, else they'll just leave.

Also no one on this forum is gonna receive a special treatment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_accommodation) based on his religion (or lack thereof). This is the Internet and using this forum is a privilege. It might suck for people who are religious, but if we start doing special favors to specific members just for that it is gonna get out of control.

Of course if swearing became abusive like on the other board and it got out of control, then word filters might be in order. I would recommend that if you find out a member swears too much that you report him to admins, though.

Thank you for this statement. Puritanical word filtering is about the last thing this site needs. We can still be a warm and welcoming community without enforcing overly strict language policies. Let's face it: there will always be things that offend you or your values. Arguably, learning to deal with that fact is far better than avoiding reality by having a "no swearing rule" in place. Just my two cents.

EDIT: I guess the point of my post is "'It might offend people' is not a good reason to institute a policy".
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 06:46:29 pm
Just to clarify, I was not asking for  no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: mapar007 on May 02, 2013, 06:51:20 pm
Just to clarify, I was not asking for  no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.

I'm not much of a swearer online, rest assured. I just wanted you to know that you can't really expect people to automatically respect your values. I'm going to try to because I'm not a fan of drama, but "respect for ones beliefs" is not something you can just take for granted.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 07:05:57 pm
Just to clarify, I was not asking for  no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.

I'm not much of a swearer online, rest assured. I just wanted you to know that you can't really expect people to automatically respect your values. I'm going to try to because I'm not a fan of drama, but "respect for ones beliefs" is not something you can just take for granted.

Don't worry, I have been online long enough to know that. ;)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Sorunome on May 02, 2013, 07:10:58 pm
Mhmm, i had something similar once, I got a bad grade in a latin class test and thus almost failed the class -> no knex or computer for 1 month.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Adriweb on May 02, 2013, 07:20:15 pm
Mhmm, i had something similar once, I got a bad grade in a latin class test and thus almost failed the class -> no knex or computer for 1 month.
Looks freaking familiar.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Sorunome on May 02, 2013, 07:21:11 pm
erm, i mean and, sorry (but as it was december the punishment was away after christmas :D )
Title: Re: Re: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 09:35:26 pm
Ah ok, it seemed like you were angry at us or something lol.

Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.


Yeah I know, but the issue is that some parents actually abuses those filters. Take JustCause and SirCmpwn for example: Their parents totally restricted access to every site those two people liked, one after another. If they found Sir visiting a site more and more, they blocked it, if he touched the BASIC editor on his calc, they took it away, and so on. His grades were quite good and he didn't neglect his life: In fact he was working for Microsoft! The problem is that his parents didn't like him at all, so they tried to make his life a living hell. On top of that they did not agree with him choosing programming as a carreer, so they tried to prevent him from doing any programming at all.

Filters are handy when used appropriately, but the problem is that some parents just abuse them, like in JustCause/SirCmpwn's case.

Two things. First, you are just saying what you heard them say, you do not know what really happened. Secondly, that is their problem, and they have to live with it since it is their parents decision as long as they are still living in the same house.

Also:
Quote
To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry

And lastly, maybe having a setting that censors bad words on omnimaga for those who don't want to see them would be good. ;)
yeah true sir couldn't do anything but abide to their decisions. However, I disagree with parts of what stefan said above: If I turned 18 and my parents decided that i was no longer allowed internet access or tried to decide what carreer I'll pursue and disallow me from pursuing programming, you can be sure I would move out to my own appartment (although I would continue seeing and helping them). Even if I was past 18 I lived at their home so I had no control on Internet access, but as adult I had full control on if I wanted to move out or not. If my parents didn't let me move out at 18+ they could end up in jail for sequestration/kidnapping anyway, and if they didn't let me move my own stuff I paid for out, then it would be stealing.

By the way I am sorry if I am replying to separate posts in random order, but I only had 15 minutes total to read through this topic and reply to what I could.


EDIT:
By the way, @Dapianokid, a few things:

First of all, I do not encourage to try to bypass the filters, since the first step is to talk to your parents about it, or at least, Omnimaga, and explain what the site is about. Are they aware that you do calculator programming? If so, then you can explain them that Omnimaga covers that topic, not illegal stuff. If not already, that could help lifting filters. I do not agree with the way filters are used sometimes, but it's best to not make things worse. You also gotta make sure that you know exactly what led to those filters, so you don't repeat the same mistakes later.

However, one second thing: Your forum behaviour since you joined has been overall questionable. If you talk to your family using the same tone as in this post:
By the way guys, SHUT UP! Stop trying to tell others how to hack the restrictions on  internet! Look, if there are restrictions put in place, THEY ARE THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.
Then to me a computer restriction as punishment would be totally justified. All caps on the Internet == yelling. Exclamation marks used when calling out people == doing it agressively. While you may be a good behaving person when it comes to computer usage, the many trolling you have been doing so far (especially towards me) and the stuff quoted above tells me that you still have a lot of work to do on being good-mannered and polite. Flat out yelling at people or being agressive to them for such a reason that could easily have been stated politely is as bad as swearing every few sentence.

The rest of your post and your advice on not telling people how to bypass filters was fine, but just because the advice was given agressively I had to remove a 1 pt rating from your post. I am doing this because if you aren't careful and go too far, then it's not your parents that will block you from Omnimaga, but Omnimaga admins themselves. (rudeness falls under "provocative comments" (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2), no matter how helpful the post is).


And third:

DJ_O, you said that the best way to ensure safe browsing is to only check AFTER something bad may already have been done.

You also have to start doing more effort reading posts carefully and stopping putting words in people's mouth, because that's not the first time it happens with me. I meant to check during and after, not just after. I recall English being your native language, so I know you can.

EDIT 2: Regarding word filters, an optional filter would not work, because this would mess up the 2005-08 topics (since the word filter is currently used to fix display bugs there), so some work would have to be done prior making the filter optional. One that can't be disabled would be fine, though, but then I bet some people would either restrain themselves less  or argue about the 1st amendment.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on May 03, 2013, 02:53:02 am
@DJ: So you downrate based on style an not opinion? It's pretty funny since I get the impression that you downrated me too. In fact I ended up with a -1 there while it first was a +1. I personally don't care that much when I get uprated, but I take it seriously when I get downrated.

It was a post directed to someone, meant as a boost. But I now got an impression that some people cannot handle when I get uprated based on religious things.

EDIT: Wrong impression apparently. XD
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Xeda112358 on May 03, 2013, 07:09:43 am
There have been quite a few uprates/downrates going on in this thread, so I would like to remind everybody of the rules:
Quote from: Uprating Rules
Do not abuse the post-rating system.
  • Rate posts by quality, not by opinion.
  • All post-rating activity is recorded and visible to Managers and abuse will lead to bans.
  • Don't complain incessantly over every negative rating you receive. Your life doesn't depend on your rating score.
It might be that I am not understanding this correctly, but the first part may have gotten abused a bit and so it is easily possible that several managers tried to correct it at the same time.

Sorry for derailing the topic. If you would like to continue, that should be fine, but this topic should have exhausted itself by now. It's message and intent has already been conveyed. If you would like to continue the topic of religion and piety, I would direct you to Other Discussions (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=125.0) and advise civility (we have generally had a good track record for this with our regular user base).

[/mom-mode] :P
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: TIfanx1999 on May 03, 2013, 08:19:22 am
I'm going to agree with Xeda and add a few things.

To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.

That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?

While you may not like it people can, will, and do use language how they see fit. However, if someone is being abusive or is posting inappropriate content that goes against <a href=http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2>our rules</a>, please report it to a moderator (this goes for forums or IRC). I'd also like to reinforce that this is not a debate thread, and people need to make sure that they behave. :)

Dapianokid: I'm sure once you get your parents trust back things will be much better. I've found that more than anything earning your parents trust back when it's been broken can be quite difficult. We are only human, and we are not perfect.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 03, 2013, 09:29:06 am
Can this be split to a debate thread? I do not intend to flame, but I would like to clarify my point...
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 03, 2013, 02:43:16 pm
DJ_O, you being the proud owner of one of my very favorite websites for over a decade, I do respect what you have to say on the matter, especially my behavior. I make no claims to be perfect, or to even be close to one of the more "mature" members of Omnimaga. I'm barely 15 years old. I am an arrogant ass, as well as a pretty devious little stinker.

Any more jokes about me hacking into this computer should be deleted.. For the record, it is never impossible ot hack into a system. This computer already has Ubuntu on dualboot. That is for the convenience of a Linux system if I ever need it. My dad left that there because he knows about my interest in calculator and computer programming. He supports it, even. It's how he started. If it weren't for him, I would've lost interest I think. His first "tinker toy" computer was a Timex Sinclaire Z80. Think about that! It's practically the same set of hardware I started with, the TI82. He has unrestricted access to Omnimaga, Cemetech, TI-Planet, ticalc, casiocalc, and all branches of those websites, as well as WiiBrew and WiiHackWii. He has no doubt in my ability to hack back into it if I were choosing to be immature. But... Already, can't you see my absolute acceptance of my Dad's choices? Really. I've grown up so much in the past WEEK and Omnimaga did have a lot to do with that. I'm only posting once a day because I just don't have time to wait for IE7 to load Omnimaga again on this dinosaur.

Anyways, to prevent my ADHD from inhibiting the content of this post, I encourage everybody to come and share their opinions. I've seen a lot that I don't agree with here, but I liked their approach. I need wisdom and growth.

Stefan, you are the first brother in the faith that I have ever encountered on the internet who is also open about his faith! I'd go so far as to say you're the modern reincarnation of the Moravian church (See Count Ludwig Von Zinznedorf).

DJ_O, I forget that I can use italicization. I would've, rather than yell, otherwise. I don't have internet etiqutte down pat, quite yet. Thank you, though!

There's so much more I wanna say! Don't let this topic die, but please don't fight, guys. I can sense the anger or opposition in these posts and the instant it turns into a flame war, or even a "oh, I thought you were flaming.. *stays weary of any opinions that you don't share*" type of thing, it becomes selfish, off-topic, and completely self-oriented. Suddenly, the discussion at hand matters a lot less than what you believe is right about said topic.

Please... Do have less tolerance for child-unsafe behaviors and content on this website. You know full and well what that means to a christian. I'm a pretty accepting person, but... Please. No more.

OmnomIRC will be locked until he is sure that it won't allow me to hack into other channels from it.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 03, 2013, 03:02:03 pm
Can someone move this thread to another section so we can debate?
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on May 03, 2013, 03:23:33 pm
@Dapianokid: Thank you, but I too am sadly just another sinful mortal who hasn't proven that much with his life.
I too have only discovered few people online who believe the same as me.
But I'm glad I discovered another friend. :)

I'm also going to be updating my signature with a link to a good website about Christianity(which even features some calculator programmers).
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 03, 2013, 04:47:46 pm
@DJ: So you downrate based on style an not opinion? It's pretty funny since I get the impression that you downrated me too. In fact I ended up with a -1 there while it first was a +1. I personally don't care that much when I get uprated, but I take it seriously when I get downrated.

It was a post directed to someone, meant as a boost. But I now got an impression that some people cannot handle when I get uprated based on religious things.
I wouldn't say downrating on style, but rather on tone used. If a post is agressive for no reason I will downrate it. I will only downrate based on opinion if I feel the other post is racist/bigot/overly intolerant (for example, bashing a great calc game only for being TI-BASIC or singling out an entire group of people), or if the post blatantly breaks the rules.

Don't worry, I didn't rate down your post, so it means that two other person did or someone negated his upvote. By the way I am not a fan of the idea of rating down based on opinion unless the other post is really intolerant (after all, intolerance is against the Omni rules). I know that some other members do it but I don't know who (except in the KarmTI/nSpikx thread), but the best thing you can do is report it to admins if you find any suspicious activities, like I did before.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 03, 2013, 07:57:52 pm
Well, not that this topic is, by any stretch of the imagination, emotionally attached to my rather curious downrated status, but I do seem to get downspammed. Only by the providence of a couple nameless friends have I been given the upvotes I rightfully deserve.
Yes, please move to debate. Because it's kind of important.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: flyingfisch on May 03, 2013, 08:59:21 pm
Yes, please move to debate. Because it's kind of important.
+1

Not really, because I don't know if that would be considered spamming, but I would like to see this moved to a suitable section for debates.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Juju on May 03, 2013, 09:26:36 pm
You might want to avoid starting unnecessary debates where it's not the place for. Well, you can if you want, but it should be a sane debate and you might want to create a topic for that. A debate section might be a good idea though.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 03, 2013, 09:35:27 pm
Yeah of course we have the misc talk section for debates (or calcs for calc related debates). People just have to make sure to remain civil and avoid any ignorant or provocative posts so it won't get locked too fast. Note: religion debate might not be a good idea, because the last 4 topics about that didn't work and were locked like 2 days afterward. >.<

By the way Dapianokid does your dad allow you to disable javascript or animated GIFs for specific sites? if not, then a solution could be to use this:
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?imode
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?wap
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?wap2

It lacks image support, but it can still be handy for quick post reading/replying otherwise.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: jwalker on May 03, 2013, 09:58:14 pm
@Stefan Bauwens
Interesting site, its hard to find people like us on the internet.

@Dapianokid Its a good thing your dad unblocked these sites, it diversifies our communities.
I can see why parents would want to put filters on, but then again if you go to a public school it dosent really matter  :P
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: epic7 on May 03, 2013, 10:06:17 pm
I've been rather reluctant to post in this thread- but only because I was unsure of what to say on the matter.

I've heard a lot of discussion on this topic mention religion and Christianity.
Not being a religious person myself, I don't understand how religion ties in with all this.
However, I can still tell that it means a lot to Dapianokid and a few others of you, so I respect your faith, whatever it might be.

On the issue of censoring words, I feel that restrictions should be quite low.
I don't really care what words are used, but rather how they are used.
When used out of offensive context, occasional swearing is acceptable. But when used offensively, then there's a problem.
Also, a sentence without swears can easily be more offensive or inappropriate then a sentence with swears.
I therefore feel that a word filter is pointless, as an individual "bad word" on it's own is meaningless. It would catch only some of the offensive content, and still block a lot of inoffensive content.

For surveillance and restriction on a computer.
I guess I can't say I know what this is like; as long as I remember, I've had unsupervised administrative access on the household computers.
But I'll give my two cents anyway: Parents have the right to raise their children the way they think is best for them. I think, generally, the amount of restriction is up to them.
But nevertheless, I think there might be a point where it goes too far for me to easily accept it. Like a constant surveillance of everything ever visited, every private message sent, everything ever typed... I think taking it to that extent might start to become a serious invasion of privacy.

Now in the case of Dapianokid:
It is evident that, although his father has put on some pretty hefty restrictions, he still gives his full appreciation, trust, and respect toward him.
He recognizes that his father knows what he's doing, and is doing it out of love for the overall good.
And instead of being angry for these limitations, he is thankful.

Hearing all that is just great. It is awesome that he gives his parents all the respect they deserve, and acknowledges the positive reasoning behind their punishments.
Not every teenager do the same.

And me, my parents give me a great amount of trust, and especially after reading all of this topic, I feel that I should really show my thankfulness for all of it.
Perhaps I should do something nice for my parents this weekend :D
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 03, 2013, 10:25:06 pm
I think the problem is that certain bad words are misused vulgar words that normally refers to 18+ related activities, while the French Canadian bad words are misused religious object words. From what I gather, this poses a religion-related problem for some people. Religion or not, though, swearing is vulgar, but disallowing entirely becomes a free speech issue (along with people getting scared of moderator warnings for posting), hence why Omnimaga warns people to use those words with moderation.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: aeTIos on May 04, 2013, 04:26:32 am
Recently I got more freedom from my parents to use computers the way I want. They still warn me not to overuse them at cost of my study though (for which I really must thank them)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 04, 2013, 10:21:09 am
"Minging" in the lower classes of Britain, for exampling, is a major f-bomb. However, it's not even a real word.
These filters my parents put on usually don't search any code that isn't text.
They also aren't live. So, compiled webapps (like OmnomIRC) and text that updates after the main website is loaded do not get caught.
I try not to dramatize about the things my parents do. My brother did that a lot. He went down a very different road.. He's less than two years older than me and I would be ashamed if anybody here found out exactly where he is. I don't wanna end up like him. Thats why I embrace my parent's decision!
My dad loosens up, and he I'm already not under constant surveilance. Before too terribly long, many of these filtering things will be either taken off, or configured. That way, my internet will be much faster.

epic7 and pimathbrainiac, don't think I don't have PLENTY of time to learn my part of a trio ;) no internet == inifinite time of day. I'm already a third of the way through my school courses (much faster.) and I am writing a remix of Nyan Cat theme. Plus, I've completed like 6 scenarios in RCT Deluxe in less than 3 days. That's saying something.

You never realize how many old discs you have until thats all your dad lets you play! Christ Sawyer was amazing.

Anyways, epic7 your post was very encouraging. The slightly agressive openness about religion here caught me off guard. I do have faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, and it is quite strong. However, I don't like to mishandle a social situation where others don't.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 04, 2013, 10:24:44 am
I'm really sorry about this double post, but it's practically impossible to get on Omni where I can modify a post accordingly. I use the ;imode suffix to use Omnimaga, at least for now.
I didn't intend for this to be such a huge debate... I would've posted it somewhere else. The way Dad was talking, I was expecting a big, fat, goodbye.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: aeTIos on May 04, 2013, 10:33:53 am
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The way Dad was talking, I was expecting a big, fat, goodbye.
There is this chinese proverb "Don't make decisions when you're angry, don't make promises when you're happy". I bet your dad was angry when he decided to lock your computer down... Now that he calmed down (a bit), I think he sees that it's a bit too much :)
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 04, 2013, 11:02:19 am
On a semi unrelated note, this is why I got so used to TI-BASIC over the years: From 2001 to Early 2002 I had no PC-TI link cable and it took until 2004 before I get my own computer at home (couldn't afford a computer when family is unemployed or works part time). In addition to that, public computers on which my TI-Graph Link cable worked at all were incredibly rare (especially as everyone was switching to XP, on which no linking software would work properly early on), some school filters blocked zip files downloads and the computers only had floppy drives for external storage medium support. This is why many of my 2001-2003 games only got released online in 2004 and why it took so long until I try Z80 assembly (3 times, to no avail). But my limited computer/internet access led to me spending more time coding or making music instead.
Title: Re: You've been great, folks!
Post by: Dapianokid on May 05, 2013, 02:56:26 pm
Yes, my interest was quite hampered during the time that I didn't have the proper hardware to invest in my interest in calculators.